Comments by "Historia, Magistra Vitae" (@Historia.Magistra.Vitae.) on "TLDR News EU" channel.

  1. There is no Fascism anywhere in Europe at the moment.
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  2.  @ronmastrio2798  "Socialism is the DICTATORSHIP of the proletariat " Wrong. That is Marxism, not Socialism per se.
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  3. " Socialism IS democratic " Socialism has nothing to do with democracy. They are two different things, democracy being a form of governance while socialism being an economic system, where the collective (such as workers, guilds, the government etc.) either directly own or control the buildings and tools that make goods and services like farms and factories. This can be achieved through decentralized and direct worker-ownership, or through centralized state-ownership or control of the means of production.
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  4.  @spacemarine3482  : Fascism was leftism... it was a Far-Left ideology after all.
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  5.  @juggerfox  What "fascist party" ?
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  6. France is socialist now then?
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  7.  @Josh-99  : Who is they? There are no mainstream Far-Right movements in whole Europe.
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  8. You have no clue what Far-Right even means.
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  9.  @jeyna8243  "They're not socialists, " Fascists most certainly were.
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  10.  @jeyna8243  : Fascism was also a (rival) socialist ideology so the problem is the same... socialism.
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  11. Fascism comes from the left though.
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  12. "meanwhile the far right are actually looking to create authoritarian ethnostates." Wrong. That is not how far-right works, hun.
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  13.  @archyarchfiendx2938  "The Nazis are far right. " Wrong. National Socialism was a totalitarian far-left, socialist 3rd position ideology based on ethnonationalism. It had nothing to do with Right wing of any kind.
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  14. "How did EU get to the point to vote for neo nazis and extreme far right and/or china/russia's puppets? HOW? " There is no "extreme far-right" anywhere in Europe, also they would be the complete opposite of neo-nazis / china, russia's puppets etc.
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  15. What "resurgent"? There hasn't been a proper Right wing in whole Europe for centuries or maybe ever. Everybody has been more or less, in favor of general leftism, socialism and big government/establishment since the day of Monarchies.
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  16. Reminder that the NSDAP was a totalitarian far-left, socialist 3rd position movement.
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  17. There are no Far-Right parties in mainstream politics, in whole Europe.
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  18.  Minimmalmythicist  "On the other hand, all the parties described as "far right" are very anti-democratic to say the least. They want to curtail basic rights like freedom of religion and expression, they want to extend the executive powers of the government greatly (I wonder why they want to do that) and they are deeply reactionary." Wrong. Those are literally the collectivist tenets of the Far-Left.
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  19.  @toyotaprius79  "Ask the industrial capital powers to not invest in them" There is no looming Marxist uprising anywhere, so industrial capitalists don't need to choose between nationalist socialism and internationalist socialism anymore.
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  20.  @AaronOkeanos  " It's very rare you find real socialists in Europe let alone communists anymore." No such thing as a "real socialist". There is plenty of socialism in Europe, or at least its sympathizers. In fact, technically the whole structure of the European Union is socialist and starts to resemble the Soviet Union. Also just look at Finland for example, the one who got the 2nd most personal votes in their EU elections (Li Andersson) is openly a Marxist.
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  21.  @solastorm7  I know right.
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  22. That would be Far-Left then.
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  23. Nope. Fascism isn't rising anywhere in Europe.
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  24.  @seraphin01  ""Far-right politics, or right-wing extremism, is a spectrum of political thought that tends to be radically conservative, ultra-nationalist, and authoritarian, often also including nativist tendencies" Pretty much the complete opposite. Conservatism itself doesn't mean anything since the term is relative and depends what the country considers traditional. Being ultra-nationalist is a Leftist trait, since nationalism itself is a form of collectivism. Also authoritarianism is usually the hallmark of collectivism, hence the Left. If we agree that the Far-Left is represented by socialist and collectivist ideologies, then logic dictates, that the Far-Right would be represented by pro-Capitalist ideologies based on (Classical) Liberalism / Libertarianism, anti-establishment and limited government.
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  25. There are no Far-Right parties in European mainstream politics.
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  26.  @masteroogway7624  : "for someone whose profile has such quotes about history you are incredibly ignorant of it." You need to cope harder than that, and while you are coping, go read some basic WW2 era history. I can give you plenty of book recommendations if you need. However you should at least have to courtesy to read the bare minimum, i.e. 'Mein Kampf' and 'the Doctrine of Fascism' before you even start talking about these ideologies in question.
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  27.  @masteroogway7624  "Similar thing happened later in germany. " There was no privatization of any kind in Nazi Germany. On the contrary, the moment Nazis got into power during 1933, they started mass nationalization of the German industry, and later they reorganized all industries into corporations run by members of the Nazi Party. This was all done in the accordance with their "Gleichschaltung" principle, which was a system of totalitarian control and coordination over all aspects of German society from the economy and trade associations to the media, culture and education.
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  28.  @masteroogway7624  "Fascist italy was among the first to undertake a large scale privitization policy in the mid 1920s. " Wrong. The only time Italy privatized something was during the early 1920s when Italy wasn't even under Fascism yet, and the economy was handled by Alberto de' Stefani. It was only after the early 1925 when Mussolini ushered his one-party dictatorship and throughout the whole 1930s, managed to nationalize over 75% of the Italian industry. Closer to the end of the 1930s, both Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany had one of the largest govenrment owned public sectors in whole Europe, losing only to Stalin's USSR.
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  29.  @masteroogway7624  "They called it corporatism, the aim of fascist and nazi corporatism was cultural not economic. " Corporatism ("corporativismo" in Italian) was only a thing in Italy, and was one of the cornerstone principles in Mussolini's fascism, and had to do with the way society and the economy would be organized, with state power at the head of a system of syndicates ("corporazione") representing each major industry. Mussolini's corporatist view stressed total state power over businesses as much as over individuals, via these governing industry bodies controlled by the Fascist party, in which businesses retained the responsibilities of property, but few if any of the freedoms. Fascist corporatism was strictly a socialist economic model, where the idea was to let the state control and direct the economy from the top-down without itself owning the means of production.
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  30.  @masteroogway7624  " both had strong private property laws and relations to capital." Wrong. On the contrary, Nazi Germany abolished private property rights via Rechstag fire degree on February 28, 1933. Also in the Fascist Italy, individual ownership rights were understood to be strictly subordinate to collective discipline. It was not the individual ownership of property that concerned Fascists, but its subordination to collective control. Property was understood to perform social functions rather than to manifest individual rights. It was clear that the conception of property as a social function was broad enough to include socialization of the means of production, should that be required by the national interests as interpreted by the state. Also both ideologies were strictly anti-capitalist.
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  31.  @masteroogway7624  "nationalization wasn't and isn't a defining feature of fascism or nazism, " It was a core tenet of both ideologies, since they came from a belief that the "Stateless and Classless society" Communism calls for after its dictatorship cannot achieve Socialism, and that only the State can properly organize a Socialist Society.
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  32.  @masteroogway7624  "In so many countries you are now seeing the same things that happened prior to creation of fascism and nazism." Well not really. What we are seeing in most European countries is a nationalistic response to the irresponsible immigration policies. Still a far cry from actual Statism and nationalization and socialization of the country under one party dictatorship.
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  33.  @Talisguy  "I don't think they've read scholarship on fascism." Actually it is the people like you, who haven't. Let me guess, you also think that Fascism is the same thing as Nazism? Do you want me to give you some book recommendations?
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  34.  @Talisguy  "We can't even get some of these people to accept that fascism is a right-wing ideology." That is like trying to convince people that the earth is flat... because such a thing would be contrary to empirical and historical sources. Fascism had nothing to do with Right wing of any kind. It was a totalitarian far-left, rival socialist 3rd position ideology based on National Syndicalism which they adapted from a French Marxist called Georges Sorel. Something which could be technically called "Yellow socialism".
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  35. You are not making any sense, considering Fascists were socialists.
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  36. Reminder that there is still no Far-Right in France.
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  37. There is no Fascism in your country, and they were Far-Left socialists anyways.
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  38.  @xiiir838  : Fascists were Far-Left socialists.
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  39. Nothing to do with Fascism though.
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  40.  @coall5002  Nazis were on the Far-Left though.
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  41.  @PedroCastro-vn8qg  Liberals actually are on the Far-Right... assuming people understand what Liberalism even means and have read any work from John Locke for example.
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  42.  @astrovation3281  "No, actually the "far right" refers to semi-nazi's pretty much, hope that helps!" Wrong. Every kind of National Socialist, were on the Far-Left. Meanwhile Far-Right refers to people who believe that the best outcome for society is achieved when individual rights and civil liberties are paramount (individualism) and the role — and especially the power — of the government is minimized.
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  43. Nothing to do with Far-Right.
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  44.  @user-qy2wf2lt6v  : Depends what you consider to be good or bad. Left generally advocates for collectivism, hence socialism. Right advocates for individualism, hence capitalism.
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  45. They rose from the Far-Left though.
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  46.  @Consume_Crash  : Catholics are heretics though. This has nothing to do with Far-Right either.
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  47. There is no Far-Right in the mainstream European politics.
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  48. Liberalism is on the Far-Right btw.
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  49. Nope. There is no Far-Right anywhere in Europe nor in Nordic countries.
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  50.  @nokkamutka3208  There is no Far-Right in Finland, unless we count the Liberal party.
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