Comments by "Historia, Magistra Vitae" (@Historia.Magistra.Vitae.) on "Richard J Murphy" channel.

  1. Also have to note, that Fascism had nothing to do with Germany. They had National Socialism, which was a completely different political ideology.
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  2. Are you saying that Farage is a socialist now?
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  3. Actually Mussolini has never said such a thing. Common misquote. There was no such merger, there was only State power.
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  4. No. Fascism was rather anti-religious and anti-clerical ideology. If you want to put it simply, fascism was a cult of Statism and the Roman Empire.
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  5. Jodie Foster was an idiot back then... still is if she thinks like that.
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  6. It always was.
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  7.  Minimmalmythicist  "Fascism wasn´t centrally planned as such, " Wrong. It was, via Corporatism. The idea was that society would be consolidated (i.e., incorporated) into syndicates (in the Italian context, fascio/fasci) which would be regulated by and serve as organs for the state, or "embody" the state (corpus = body). The purpose was the centralization and synchronization of society under the state, as an end unto itself. To quote Mussolini's infamous aphorism: "All within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state."
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  8.  Minimmalmythicist  " most private businesses in Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy were in private hands, indeed" Wrong. Most businesses and the industry in general was nationalized and was under the control of the State.
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  9. No, and that is not how Fascism even works.
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  10. "On the one hand you have the comic-book Fascists who like Seig Heiling and bullying Muslim women in the street." These people are on the Far-Left actually, and they would also be National Socialists, not Fascists.
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  11. Both the Mustache man and Marx were on the Far-Left, and merely disagreed on how socialism should be implemented.
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  12.  Minimmalmythicist  "and fascism was not thought to be a left wing ideology in the 1920s and 30s," Wrong. It most certainly was. It was a competing ideology to Communism just like Trotskyism was to Bolshevism. It was clear to everyone in the world during that time period, that Fascism was socialist ideology where the emphasis was on national identity instead of the Marxist "class struggle".
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  13.  Minimmalmythicist  " indeed the fascists allied themselves with the conservative and reactionary parties, never the left." On the contrary, Fascism was a revolutionary and anti-conservative ideology at the time. They most certainly didn't want to preserve the status quo nor were they in favor of Monarchy.
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  14.  Minimmalmythicist  "We´ll take the two regimes that are undisputedly fascist, Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy, " Nazi Germany never had Fascism. They had National Socialism. Fascism was strictly a radical and revolutionary Italian ideology.
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  15.  Minimmalmythicist  "The Spanish falangists, also fought on Franco´s side in the civil war and not on the left´s." All of them were on the on Left, just not was far to the Left as Marxism was. Also there was no Fascism in Spain. Franco's reformed Falangism was yet another different 3rd position ideology.
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  16.  Minimmalmythicist  "Indeed, Ernst Rohm might have had a sincere belief in more egalitarianism but he was swiftly purged by Hitler. " He was purged because he threatened the German army leaders and Hitler complied with their request to eliminate him, in order to gain the army leader's support in return.
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  17.  Minimmalmythicist  "Fascism is also certainly not left wing in any other way, " Wrong. Fascism was a totalitarian far-left, socialist 3rd position ideology based on National Syndicalism which they adapted from Georges Sorel. It rejected individualism, capitalism, liberalism/democracy, and marxism. The means of production was organized by national worker syndicals (i.e. trade unions), and the guiding philosophy of the state was Actual Idealism. Fascism was an outgrowth of Sorellian Syndicalism, which itself was an outgrowth from Marxist socialism. The idea was that society would be consolidated (i.e., incorporated) into syndicates (in the Italian context, fascio/fasci) which would be regulated by and serve as organs for the state, or "embody" the state (corpus = body). The purpose was the centralization and synchronization of society under the state, as an end unto itself. To quote Mussolini's infamous aphorism: "All within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state." As created by Mussolini and Giovanni Gentile, Fascism comes from a belief that the "Stateless and Classless society" Communism calls for after its dictatorship cannot achieve Socialism, and that only the State can properly organize a Socialist Society. It cared about unity in a strong central government with society being brought together by syndicalist organizations obedient to the State.
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  18.  Minimmalmythicist  "it´s an uber-traditionalist ideology, " It was traditional in the sense, that they wanted to mimic and bring back the Roman Empire, but that's about it.
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  19.  Minimmalmythicist  "Fascism also to my knowledge never called for a stateless society," Nobody has claimed that they did.
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  20.  Minimmalmythicist  "It´s a collectivist right wing ideology for sure," Wrong. It's a collectivist Left wing ideology. There is no collectivism on the Right side of the spectrum, since the Right advocates for individualism.
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  21.  Minimmalmythicist  "The whole reason why Paul Von Hindburg appointed Hitler was because a) he was much closer to his reactionary ideology b) he wanted to crush the communists at all costs." Wrong. Paul Von Hindburg never wanted to appoint Hitler in the first place. Hitler refused to join his coalition government unless he was appointed Chancellor. Hindenburg opposed this demand.
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  22.  Minimmalmythicist  "People at the time didn´t consider it to be a left wing ideology" Wrong. They did. National Socialism wasn't perceived to be as radical as Marxism was.
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  23.  Minimmalmythicist  "Indeed, both the Nazis and the Italian fascists initially privatised quite a few state companies." Wrong. They did not such thing. Privatization was never a thing in Nazi Germany. On the contrary, they nationalized most if not all of the German industry and later reorganized all industries into corporations run by members of the Nazi Party. They had no Fascism either. National Socialism and Fascism were two fundamentally different ideologies. The only privatization the Fascist Italy saw was before Mussolini's actual dictatorship, during the early 1920s when Alberto de' Stefani was handling the economy. After 1925 he was fired and Mussolini ushered in his one-party dictatorship. Throughout the whole 1930s, both Fascist Italy and National Socialist Germany had the largest government owned public sectors in whole Europe, losing only to Stalin's USSR.
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  24. "but it is a capitalist oligarchy" Wrong. They have a Mixed economy system where the "oligarchy" is formed by government officials i.e. politicians... not capitalists, who have no power anywhere. You cannot even own land without asking the permission of the government first, which owns all the lands just like under Feudalism.
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  25. " Only a complete moron thinnks Hitler was left wing (National Socialism), or Stalin was left wing (Authoritaian state capitalism). " Both of them were socialists by definition, as Socialism is an economic system where the collective (such as workers, guilds, the government etc.) either directly own or control the buildings and tools that make goods and services like farms and factories. This can be achieved through decentralized and direct worker-ownership, or through centralized state-ownership or control of the means of production. Both had the latter ... also there is no such thing as "state capitalism" as such a term is an oxymoron.
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  26. "And no, socialism is NEVER authoritarian. " Wrong. Socialism by definition is authoritarian, as it is not only a form of collectivism but also you have to make sure everyone adheres to this collectivist principle. Also without authoritarianism you can never make anything equal (as you have to limit rights and freedoms) nor re-distribute wealth for example. Without authoritarianism, everything would default to free-market Capitalism which is the natural state of man, and Capitalism is just the result of free humans making voluntary exchanges with one another in the absence of outside coercion. As a side note, why is it that 'socialists" don't have co-ops and communes all over the place? Since supposedly they are superior to human freedom, they would form naturally without the need of government enforcement.
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  27. "It IS direct democracy, " Not every Leftist ideology advocates for direct democracy.
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  28. "The way to look at it is, having good moral principles, you will be attracted to left wing politics. " Wrong. Having good moral principles, will make you attracted to Liberalism, as it was put forth by John Locke.
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  29. "Labour needs to remind everyone when the free market goes too far. " What Free Market? No country has that.
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  30. "The right always claims to have a monopoly on religion." What does this even mean?
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  31.  @oneoflokis  "Nevertheless that's what he believed, in practice. " Wrong. He didn't. In practice he was a socialist who believed in an all encompassing State, which controlled the economy and every aspect of the society, as explicitly stated in their 'Doctrine of Fascism'.
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  32.  @oneoflokis  "Mussolini didn't think so! You protest too much..." He certainly did.
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  33. "That in its essence is fascism: ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power." Wrong. That is the opposite of Fascism, known as Corporatocracy.
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  34.  @oneoflokis  "The total opposite of socialism." Which is why that has nothing to do with Fascism whatsoever. What you were referring to is known as Corporatocracy, and it is a completely different thing.
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  35.  @hotchpotch3278  : We can start from the fact that whatever wealth and money they have accumulated, it is their property and a result of goods and service they have provided to society in general.
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  36.  @hotchpotch3278  "and what about the services supplied by a government? Safety, security, defence, general health, education, roads etc." Most of those could and should be privatized, unless some kind of voluntary tax system is put in place.
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  37.  @oneoflokis  "Mussolini said that fascism was a state where there was a partnership between government and big business and that they should run everything." Mussolini has never said such a thing. There was no partnership of any kind. There was only big Government which controlled business and subjugated them under the interests of the Government. The idea was that society would be consolidated (i.e., incorporated) into syndicates (in the Italian context, fascio/fasci) which would be regulated by and serve as organs for the state, or "embody" the state (corpus = body). The purpose was the centralization and synchronization of society under the state, as an end unto itself. To quote Mussolini's infamous aphorism: "All within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state."
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  38.  @Redf322  "the reason is you didn’t earn the money on your own you used employees and our infrastructure." Employees get paid directly by their employer which has nothing to do with the government, and the government doesn't give anyone a choice not to use the already established infrastructure.
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  39.  @Redf322  " You, and your employees will use our health service, our police force, our firebrigade. " They may or may not use them, but they are forced to pay for the regardless. There is no choice on the matter. You cannot choose not to pay and then not use.
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  40.  @Redf322  "Libertarianism exists to protect big corporations not you." They exist to protect individual freedoms and civil liberties, also the proper word is Liberalism.
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  41. "Do away with the tax havens and there is suddenly more money in the government's coffers." Well if you want more money in the gover nment's coffers, just do away with prop erty and hu man righ ts, and bec ome the totalitarian gove rnment you wish it would be. It's not like it hasn't been done before.
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  42. Far-Right is Liberalism actually.
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  43.  @reallymakesyouthink  "If you are to the right of liberal you are probably far right. Liberal is centre right really." No, just no. Liberalism is on the Far-Right.
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  44.  @fluxington  " Liberal always has been somewhere to the left. In recent years, liberals have embraced more and more left wing policies." They aren't Liberals.
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  45.  @fluxington  "Classical liberals try to remain in the centre but are now branded as right wing because they're not left enough." Liberalism i.e. Classical Liberalism is on the Far-Right. There is nothing centrist about a Night-Watchman state i.e. Minarchism, which Liberalism advocates for.
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  46.  @akastewart  "Liberalism is definitionally tolerant, permissive and consequently moderately progressive. That’s moderate left." That has nothing to do with Liberalism whatsoever.
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  47. "but the minimum wage should be a living wage." There is no such thing as a "living wage".
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  48.  @reallymakesyouthink  "Libertarianism relies on the free market for it's operation, not people helping others." Actually Libertarianism was a socialist ideology and had nothing to do with free market, as they advocated for cooperative ownership and management, viewing private property in the means of production as a barrier to freedom and liberty.
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  49.  @reallymakesyouthink  "libertarianism means no government and relying on the "invisible hand" of the market. " That is Anarcho-Capitalism actually, not "libertarianism".
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  50.  @reallymakesyouthink  : No. Libertarianism is a socialist movement.
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