Comments by "" (@timogul) on "CBS Evening News"
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@luciussvartwulf6630 Unfortunately, there are some errors on every election day in the history of America. This is not itself a big deal. There is no reason to believe that the errors on this particular election day led to any significant amount of Republican votes not getting cast eventually, but generally, Democratic areas are much more often hit with long lines and faulty equipment, if you're keeping score.
Also, the issue with polls staying open in Maricopa did not prevent anyone from voting. The issue was only with the tabulation machines, not the voting machines, so people could still vote unimpeded, and their votes were counted later. No voters who attempted to vote were turned away or slowed down by these errors, and their ballots were all counted. There was no voter suppression here, this was not Georgia or Florida.
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@luciussvartwulf6630 Except that we know for a fact that they were able to vote, if they did vote that their votes were counted, and that if they chose not to, that was entirely their own business.
The fact remains that the only documented problem was the vote counting machines, but that because of that, polling places were collecting all the votes up to be counted later, which they were. If you cast a ballot in one of these polling places, it WAS counted. None of the issues prevented votes from being cast. I've read some articles that some Republicans were telling other Republicans NOT to vote, because they did not trust the voting systems. That is entirely their own problem, not the state, and certainly not Democrats'.
Also, at no point did any judge "prevent them from voting or their votes being counted." The voting process was allowed to continue non-stop as the law allows. Republicans sought to extend the voting time beyond that point under Arizona law, but there was no legal justification for doing so, as they were perfectly capable of voting within the existing time limits. This is not remotely comparable to Republicans REDUCING voting hours BELOW the previous limits, making it harder to vote than it was before. You are presenting a false equivalency here, either deliberately, or because someone else told you to.
And let's be honest, Kari Lake voters are inherently unreliable narrators, she ran on a platform of election denial-ism, so "Kari Lake voters are reporting voter fraud" is about as valuable a report as "Putin claims Ukraine is being mean to them." "Public statements from a great number of republicans" has lost all meaning after the "2000 Mules" nonsense. You might as well say "I've heard form the Elf on the Shelf" that Arizona Democrats are up to no good."
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@luciussvartwulf6630 My basic stance is that any reasonable person has every reason to believe that they are liars, considering that they intended to vote for a candidate who's primary campaign position was "I will tell you the lies that make you feel warm inside." It would be extremely misguided to not assume that they are liars until given evidence to indicate otherwise, right?
And no, "the same logic" couldn't be applied to Democrats, because Democrats have never engaged in the sort of behavior that Republicans have over the last two years. Hillary Clinton conceded the election on election night, Trump still has not fully conceded. NOBODY questioned the integrity of the 2016 election results. The only questions about the 2016 election were what role Russia played in influencing how people voted in it, and it turned out that the Trump campaign did collude with Russia to influence the vote in several key districts, without which Trump would have lost. That should be shocking, but of course Republicans are immune to shame. But that is not election fraud, the people who were tricked by the Republican propaganda still cast their votes in a fully legal manner.
Also, "being there in person" is a terrible reason to trust someone. Just saying. Someone "being there in person" in no way makes them less likely to lie about what happened there.
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I don't know how we'd get from here to there, but I really think the whole Israeli area needs a total overhaul. 1. Remove all of historic Jerusalem from the "state of Israel," and make it a UN protectorate state, a bit similar to the Vatican in that it would be outside the control of the local politics, and would be administered to be free and open to all people of all faiths. 2. Design a constitution that firmly enshrines religious liberty and protections for all, to ensure that NO religious or racial bias could be tolerated in any direction. 3. Set up small enclaves within the country that have firmly theocratic governance, one Jewish, one Muslim, with strict regulations preventing any sort of military build-up within their borders, again, on a Vatican-esc model. This is just to ensure a "Safe haven" for both religious groups within the region. 4. The rest of the country would have to migrate to a fully democratic nation, one in which the majority rules, whether Jewish or Muslim, and again, in which it is firmly unconstitutional to persecute either group, regardless of who holds power at the time. No more "settlements," no more "enclaves (outside of the three very small ones noted above), just a normal, functional country in the region that is free and fair to ALL people within it.
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