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@liammarshall-butler3384 : Oh they certainly were. Mussolini stayed as a socialist his whole life... what you meant to say, that they were not marxist and that is correct. Fascism is another form of socialism.
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@liammarshall-butler3384 : Yea, state corporatism...that is socialism. Here is a quote from Mussolini: "Anti-individualistic, the Fascist conception of life stresses the importance of the State and accepts the individual only in so far as his interests coincide with those of the State, which stands for the conscience and the universal, will of man as a historic entity. It is opposed to classical liberalism which arose as a reaction to absolutism and exhausted its historical function when the State became the expression of the conscience and will of the people. Liberalism denied the State in the name of the individual; Fascism reasserts the rights of the State as expressing the real essence of the individual.”
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None of them were right wing. They all were left wing... thats were socialism belongs.
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@liammarshall-butler3384 : Incorrect. They believed that the state should own/control everything, including the means of production. That is a form of socialism and they were socialists. It is not marxism, true, that is another socialist ideology.
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Far Left.
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@Matthew Vicendese : Nope. They are at the opposite side of the political spectrum. Umberto knows nothing about fascism. He's just an useless critic.
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@lucqq3792 : Adolf never hated socialism. He proudly told that he is the socialist. He hated one specific form of socialism; marxism. And oh yes, Adolf's third richt was a socialist state.
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@jefrreyjeffery2192 : expanding maximum human freedom and marxism are literally the polar opposite things. Former is based on individualism while the latter is based on collectivism.
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Nope. Trump is at the opposite side of the political spectrum. Cope harder.
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@olsterman937 : you have no clue about history...
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@olsterman937 : What is there to elaborare? Literally everything you said in your comment is historically and factually incorrect.
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@jodyswallow1008 : Well it highly depends on do people want to be patriotic by themselves due to some emotion (individualism) or are they looking for the government to enforce nationalism (collectivism).
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National socialist were socialists because NSDAP had socialists policies and Adolf himself was a proud socialist by his own admission.
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@TruthHurts: american GOP is literally at the opposite side of the political spectrum.
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@TruthHurts2u : You need to cope harder than that.
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Nope. Cope harder.
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@khoatan9354 : Not other socialists per se, just marxists.
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Nope. Cope harder.
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They were both big... “Everything in the State, nothing outside the State, nothing against the State.” -Mussolini
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Nope. Trump & GOP are at the opposite side of the political spectrum. Cope harder.
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Fascism was literally against capitalism and was about unions lmao. Fascism claimed to oppose liberal capitalism, but also international socialism, hence the concept of a “third way'.
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@tenholindberg9862 : There was no capitalism in the fascist totalitarian state who owned the means of production. Fascists believed that all private action should be oriented to serve society. They were against individualism, for them there was no distinction between private and public interest. In their economic postulates, they defended compulsory state corporatism, wanting to impose an autarkic state.
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@tenholindberg9862 : It is called centralization, which is antithetical to capitalism.
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@tenholindberg9862 : Monopoly capitalism is technically an oxymoron since monopolies do not exist in the free market.
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Nope. Trump is at the opposite side of the political spectrum. Cope harder.
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Incorrect. While fascism and national socialism are different ideologies, they both are totalitarian and socialist ideologies. Cope harder.
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National socialism has nothing to do with right wing politics. It's on the opposite side of the political spectrum just like the rest of the socialist ideologies. National socialists certainly were far leftists... Adolf particularly. Should read some history.
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@Roberto Bradford : Well no, they are at the opposite side of the political spectrum.
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@catluvr22 : Incorrect. Fascism claimed to oppose liberal capitalism, but also international socialism, hence the concept of a “third way,” their centralized economic policies obeyed collectivist and socialist principles, openly opposing capitalism and the free market, favoring nationalism and autarchy. Fascism was a form of socialism.
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@olsterman937 : NSDAP certainly was a socialist party, even according to their own 25 point manifesto. Also Adolf himself proudly tittled himself as the Socialist in his book "Mein Kampf". Your confusion is a result of thinking that only marxism is socialism... but marxism is just a one variation.
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The latter is based on socialism and totalitarianism while the former is not.
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@S.Perez : Except they are at the opposite side of the political spectrum.
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@Paul Gorrell : Nope. The american GOP is literally at the opposite side of the political spectrum. Cope harder.
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They weren't fascist. They were national socialist. Two different socialist ideologies.
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There was very little capitalism under fascism, since not only is it a form of socialism, but also it is based on totalitarianism and collectivism. Even according to Mussolini's own words: "Everything in the State, nothing outside the State, nothing against the State.”
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@Phazonis : Nope. Socialism has nothing to do with right wing whatsoever. Again, fascism is a form of socialism. Fascism claimed to oppose liberal capitalism, but also international socialism, hence the concept of a “third way". I highly suggest reading the book "doctrine of fascism" by Mussolini and Giovanni Gentile. Gentile went so far as to declare “Fascism is a form of socialism, in fact, it is its most viable form.” One of the most common reflections on this is that fascism is itself socialism based on national identity.
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@tekkenbekken3749 : You do realize that when both Giovanni Gentile and Mussolini wrote the doctrine of fascism, by socialism they referred to marxism / communism, right? Just like Adolf did: "Communism is not Socialism. Marxism is not Socialism. The Marxians have stolen the term and confused its meaning. I shall take Socialism away from the Socialists." That is also why Mussolini said "a century tending to the “right,”, since it was to the right from marxism / communism ... which are classified as extreme left nowadays while fascism and national socialism are far left. All of them are still within the realm of left wing politics and socialism, naturally. It was not a battle of left against right, but a struggle between different left-wing ideologies, an internationalist and a nationalist one.
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@loona_mew : They both are a form of socialism so they certainly share many similar traits.
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No. The main difference is that fascism is nationalistic... while modern communism and marxism are internationalistic.
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@lucqq3792 : Everything about nazi germany was socialist. NSDAP tried to collectivize, or properly, nationalize the whole country under the NSDAP rule (including the means of production, hence socialism). One people, one empire, one leader. Collectivism.
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@lucqq3792 : As I said, he nationalized labor unions. Every union was merged to Deutsche Arbeitsfront (DAF, or German Labor Front). The DAF created a single overarching labor union. Essentially all German workers and employees in every economic sector belonged to the DAF. Also no, ALL the power was centralized to NSDAP and its members. All the businesses like the ones you mentioned had to collaborate with the NSDAP or were directly involved with NSDAP. (Note: do not confuse corporations i.e. corporatocracy with corporatism) When it comes to collectivism, it is part of socialism.
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* totalitarian far left, socialist ideology
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@Brett McNear: Everyone knows Adolf was a leftist, since he was a socialists by his own admission.
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@chakaz19 : What was said in this video is historically incorrect or inaccurate at the very least. National socialism is national socialism. Fascism is fascism is FASCISM is fAsCiSm. There was only one type of fascism, the Italian fascism under Mussolini. Both national socialism and fascism were socialist ideologies. Both national socialism and fascism were against capital ism. Both national socialism and fascism were anti marx ism and pro social ism. Both national socialism and fascism were against private property. Both national socialism and fascism allowed businesses to use "their property" as long as they served the directives of the state. When it comes to national socialism, the “Night of the Long Knives” happened because the SA was trying to stage a military coup against Adolf. That's it.
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@chakaz19 : I dont believe, i know, thanks to history. Allow what capitalists? There were no capitalists in the fascist state. None. Eveything was controlled by state and the syndicate. Turning the ownership to the working class was Marx's idea and that it was both national socialists and fascists opposed, because according to them it wasnt proper socialism and it didnt work. Both national socialism and fascism were forms of socialism due to the simple fact that they did not allow individuals own the means of production.
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Because NSDAP and Adolf were socialists.
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One meaningful distinction could be etnonationalism.
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@catluvr22 : They certainly were. Adolf himself was a proud socialist by his own admission. "Socialism, is the science of dealing with the common weal. Communism is not Socialism. Marxism is not Socialism. The Marxians have stolen the term and confused its meaning. I shall take Socialism away from the Socialists." -Adolf
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@catluvr22 : Their political and social policies made them socialists, not just the name. Marxism is not the only form of socialism and socialism is an umbrella term, meaning; a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
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@catluvr22 : Incorrect. National socialists were highly socialist when it came to their policies. Again, their centralized economic policies obeyed collectivist and socialist principles, openly opposing capitalism and the free market, favoring nationalism and autarchy. They didn't prosecute socialists per se, they prosecuted marxists.
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