Comments by "justgivemethetruth" (@justgivemethetruth) on "TED"
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-- And as long as the conditions are in place, which they are, self conscious AI is bound to happen.
Hey Froggie, you might believe that, but that is faith, not science, not reason, and you have no reason of rationale to think that, it's just hopeful wishing. It's like saying that we will figure out how to do faster than light travel. It is something different than any other kind of motion, and also has the addition problem of relativity effects so that even if we figure out how to do it, it may not be useful to us.
When you study the problem with a skeptical mind and think about it there are a lot of problems to be solved just to define the problem and no reason to think we can do anything but perhaps single out small systems in the brain, such as the eye to copy and use in some design, not to determine how intelligence really works.
Also, there is even less reason to think that if we can reproduce of create human consciousness that it would progress any faster than people do. We tend to think that because computers are so much faster at computing than we are that they will be able to make inventions and discoveries faster too, but any intelligence will have limitations and discoveries are made by how fast things happen outside, the right discoveries or inventions, not how fast people think.
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I like the reformat our thinking phrase ... the thing is that as we reformat our thinking to be more precise and clear, we change our behavior and motivations, and without a social structure we are all fighting ourselves in ways that are more perceptible and analyzable - if we have education. Meaning that if intelligence does not have some kind of "programming" it it to get along, respect, cooperate or tolerate other intelligences - all it will get it war and destruction ... and it seems to be that by definition - that is not intelligence. Or another thing is that one intelligence that dominates everything is also not intellgence, even though that might be what logic tells a cold dispassionate intelligence to do.
It is like after WWII, the finest minds got together and tried to reason as to what would be the best course of action for the US to take since at the time we were the only ones with nuclear weapons. The logical choice was to use the nuclear advantage to take over the rest of the world - but no one did that. No one also created rules for all countries and people to get along either though.
To get to intelligence, something has to experiences or understand all of the other paths, and have a certain attitude about which path to take ... dominance, destruction or cooperation. We as a species really do not understand this. How do you have a main loop of purpose for a an intelligent being that is not motivated by some goal, and then even at Terahtz speed, how do you explore all of the paths of behavioral choices, because you have to do something?
There is understanding, finding out, and then there is existing and wisdom ... maybe what we would call religion. There is some kind of purpose to religion that is analogous to an enclosing programming loop where a meta-understanding or even some kind of faith is necessary - I think,
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To take control, we have to be able to look at paid links, and links associated with bad behavior and somehow filter them from the pages we look at.
The point of click bait is to trick people, and that is something that has been going on for centuries if not millennia.
There is even a good argument to be made for teaching people that such garbage exists and to find their own way to deal with it, but there are as yet few really useful applications for this, because most of the Internet is based on this in one way or another ... lying, fooling or appealing to purient interest or worst part of people's nature.
In just one generations a while American generations has been seduced into supporting and being hooked on, to the extent that they are sick, junk foods. The junk food companies made huge profits and then bought up other food-producers and turned the whole food industry into a poison industry, that now has enough money to buy the government and run it for them.
This is not about the individual and appealing to people as individuals is nice and always makes people feel stronger and prouder, but that is an illusion. The respect for citizens needs to be made explicit,and there needs to be real penalties for abuse of individuals within the relationships and institutions of society and nations.
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11:37 - "and then on top of that the Chinese to this day believe that the US and the West do not accept the legitimacy of their political system because it's so radically different from those of us who come from liberal democracies. They believe that the US to this day is seeking to undermine their political system ...."
First, I think it must be said that the Chinese SAY they think this ... whether it is true or not we can never know what the Chinese think, and in order to justify actions such as military belligerence and expansion there must be some myth, some proposed reason and logic to it.
Yes ... the US is arrogant and expansionist and probably does seek to put China into the Western economic system ... but why? It is to conquer China or is it to get past these military threats of world war that the US was sucked into twice in the last century, and to China's benefit since they were swallowed up by Japan.
The real history of the world sort of puts a bit of suspicion on what the Chinese say. Same with Iran, Iran justifies its interference and hegemony in the Middle East and its antipathy towards the US and Israel because they say they are humiliated, or have been threatened, but really, who on a daily basis threatens the people of the Middle East more, the US or their own government and intolerant and repressive religion. I think it is the same with China. China has notions of being the old Chinese empire and regaining their stature in the world, and not only that, but the Chinese in China and elsewhere are really racist and insular. They work only with Chinese.
While the US and the West (albeit imperfectly) have changed their societies to be multi-cultural, there is no such idea in China. No, it is clear that most of the world thinks in old ways of empire and conquest. The US with its own problematic past at least is one country that can hope to become working and multicultural, but it cannot be as cultures fighting each other like gangs, and what is what China does in the world, and Chinese do in the countries they settle in. As people in the Phillipines or other countries what their experience with Chinese is. They are rude, arrogant and everything else they accuse everyone else of being. That is why all those arguments need to be ignored, and each system, including China must be evaluated for what it does right and wrong and a new evolvable meta-system needs to be worked at to be put in place that does not humiliate or elevate any country ... all of us have problems, and all of our people suffer to some extent from these problems.
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This sounds nice, and it hits the right emotional notes.
I am not sure it is so easy to figure out what goes on between people, or that you can attribute spikes in profits to coffee breaks. I think people will do what they do, and it is better to have them all know each other and be comfortable, but what really happens between people is a mystery still. I can't remember who wrote about it, I think it was Dr. Atul Gawande talking about "social distance", particularly bad in socially stratified countries, which the US is starting to become, where workers are afraid to speak up when they think something is wrong. That may be just one problem that is solved here that increases productivity, but it may not indicate all the rest of the stuff mentioned. Also, there are people who are very socially skilled who can be super-chickens of another type in how they manipulate people. I am all for people getting along, and learning how to create a better culture but other than being slightly conscious of it I am not convinced this really gets at the issue. But it helps and it is interesting.
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