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And how did civilisations get on BEFORE the Christian god & still do in places like the Amazonian Rain Forest where they have belief systems based on tree frogs & magic spiders! Morality is yet another example of evolution in action!
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One has categorical facts & evidence behind it & the other talking snakes & donkeys & geographically & culturally ordained flavour of god who revels in slavery & homophobia?
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WHY DO RELIGIOUS NUTS ALWAYS WRITE IN CAPS & ANNOY PEOPLE?
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Got nothing to do with any of the multitude of gods men have made up!
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Was any of that written in English? What I can decipher of it - You know there is absolutely no archaeological or historical evidence of the Exodus right? A line of 110,000 people would have made a line 1000 miles long but no one other than the scribes who wrote the bible actually saw that...… strange?
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Amen brother!
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'll put £1000 up in support of what Dawkins says in relation to the current state of facts in relation to the ascent of life on this planet & expect you to do the same with the biblical version. We will then have both claims assed by experts in their respective fields at Oxford University & the looser pays their stake to a charity of the other's choosing. You up for that? You will NEVER be as like all believers in fairytales, you are full of crap!
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@MichaelAChristian1 ONE video of a series of 10, all from different scientific disciplines that say otherwise & are not made up of wishful, corrupted woo but, again, cold hard facts! https://youtu.be/24WbQkRx2_8
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@MichaelAChristian1 Well you might be having a job getting your head around that but I'd imagined it is all 100% provable and validated by either a fossil record and/or complementary DNA analysis. Bottom line is that nothing science has bought us in relation to evolution has been contradicted or disproven by any of you swivel eyed loons!
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What about it?
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@jayeffmusic348 You "believe" a god exists. Well that's it then! Let's all dropped to our knees and praise him her or it! Who needs objective enquiry or evidence!
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Well they were silly to let that ace slip out of the pack! All of NATO now will be working to counter that!
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What? Braford High Street at closing time?
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And that's a BAD thing?
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Proof?
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@simonabrahaseghid4456 If He Himself replies, who gonna give Him a reply? Err... me? Why did he condone slavery & the destruction of those born with an alternate sexual orientation & write a load of nonsense in relation to the creation of the Earth & ascent of life upon it?
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Since when did people who bought you the media you are using now & cures for many diseases become "Satan?"
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Where?
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Antonio Padro I'd suggest before you start calling people "tools" & strutting your intellectual superiority, you learn some basic English grammar. The word "your" is a determiner as in "This is YOUR cat." The word you should have used in it's place is "you're" which is a contraction of "you are." OK - You are very confident in your (or you're) position. Here's what we will do. We will both put up £1000 or the $ equivalent thereof to a trusted third party like the Church of England. We then get secular & non secular experts in the respect fields covered to look at the evidence presented in the bible & by science to ascertain, on the preponderance of evidence, which side has the most validity & provable FACT behind it. I have contacts in academia both theists & non theist who can assist in this. The loser then forfeits their ante to charities in Africa who help homosexual people who have been terribly burnt & mutilated in the name of your god for the "sin" of having a different sexual orientation. Any refusal to do this will indicate an INSTANT acceptance that the refusing side was palpably wrong & an appropriate apology then issued. How does that sound? I will keep posting this reply on a daily basis should you not reply thereby indicating that you are talking shit & running scared!
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Antonio Padro What's the problem with the bet Antonio? YOUR (sic) 100% certain of your conviction Bro! Stump up the cash! There is a glimmer of hope you don't actually believe the shit you have been taught! Build on that & QUESTION this nonsense!
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It's not up to us to judge Antonio! That is going to the job of experts in the field who have studied their respected specialities for decades. That's why I'm offering you this chance to PROVE that the Earth is 6500 years old & all life on it came off a boat piloted by a 700 year old man who's ancestors came from dust & the ribs of that dust! If it's that obvious you have bought into it, science is going to have no problems agreeing - no? Don't let the FACT that I have volumes of empirical data & evidence & a legion of people who may laugh at your theory put you off. You people have managed to dismiss categorical emphatic evidence for years as the swamp filled with your Bronze age myths is drained by secular science - Why stop now! After all, religion has a great track record in getting the ACTUAL facts right - Like jailing Galileo under threat of death for heresy for claiming that the Earth was not in fact the centre of the universe & orbited by the sun. Even your own good book classifies bats as birds!
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It's stalemate so why not let an impartial jury decide? I can't understand what you are running scared off? Take this to ANY mainstream academic or research facility in the UK or US & I'll stump my ante up! For you to be so certain of your case Antonio your evidence must be there? I can give you CATERGORICAL, EMPERICAL, DEFINITIVE PROOF from a myriad of sources & data. Not just ONE measure on the actual age of the Earth but maybe 60 or 70 BOLT ON datasets that ALL concur on what are now established findings. You want to stick with a book that you seem to take pride & pleasure from actually sanctioning the causing physical pain & distress to people who YOUR "god" saw fit to create with a different sexual orientation (a condition that is ubiquitous in the natural world btw) & which gives us comprehensive instructions on how to own & beat other human beings? I will bet a penny to a £ that you were indoctrinated with all this crap as a kid. You have no interest in researching established science, terrified that all dem pesky irrefutable FACTS will burst your safe, fuzzy feeling bubble. I truly pity you......
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I'm not trying to hustle money out of you or anyone in fact I'm trying to help you. You obviously hold your fuzzy feeling over even wanting to enquire about other possibilities. You are a salted snail mate, I made you a credible, genuine & honest offer to put your evidence up against mine & you ran as fast as Concorde with a 3000 mph tailwind. One day you may find your shoes fascinating & feel that you have swallowed something hard, dry & jagged even then I will accept a simple apology & be glad that you are no longer wasting your life!
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Antonio Padro I think the one thing we can both do Antonio is to try & live responsible & decent lives & try & do right by others & the planet as a whole. If I was a theist I would figure that god had given me the capacity of an enquiring mind for a reason so researching what I believe or may need to learn would not be a sin. Sometimes giving up a faith can be akin to stopping smoking - If your are of a certain age & disposition you are probably better off not doing it. I can understand that a lot of people can have a lot more invested in it that just stopping believing in a diety, there can be family ties & a social network so I wouldn't be as presumptions as to say it would be for you. I bear you no will ill my friend & just hope you lead a happy & contented life whichever path you choose.
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Antonio Padro You too! Enjoy the rest of the summer. Although our discussion may have got heated I think we both kept it adult & got our respective views across.
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Antonio Padro I'll give you credit for staying with it. I usually have a saying that "when the questions get tough the thiests get going!" You stuck with it & presented your case well though. One thing I have learnt is to never be certain of anything in life so my situation would be not that I don't accept the possibility of there being a god but just that the evidence presented to me up until now is such that I couldn't believe there is one & maintain my intellectual & quizical integrity. I respect you may come at it from the opposite way round. Not that I'm saying this with any intention of trying to de convert you or alter your belief in anyway but if you get a chance to try to watch the Austin Atheist Experience it really is a good show. Try to make sure you get the ones with Matt Dillahunty comparing as he really is a hoot! They get into some deep theological and philosophical discussions but sometimes you do get some nutcases phone up included one guy who wanted to.... "Come up there and punch Matt's face in for Jesus"!
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Teresa Parker Erm.... that would be the same people who condoned slavery, thought the world was flat & the centre of the universe & thatt bats were birds right?
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Antonio Padro People were taken out to a post & had a spike driven through their ear! That is how the bible tells us to show ownership of a slave. The GOOD BOOK also let's us know how to BEAT your slave & had no problem if he or she dies in the process! OWNING PEOPLE ON ANY LEVEL IS NOT A MORAL POSITION! The bible calls the Earth a disc. if I was to suspend a ping pong ball above somebody's head on a piece of string and ask you to give me a description of its shape would you call it a "disc" or a "sphere?" no where in the Bible does it call the Earth a sphere or any of the other planets they are called discs because if you were an ignorant desert dweller and looked up into the night sky tonight you would not have a three-dimensional perspective and the stars and planets in the sky would look like discs! A celestial super diety would have known them as spheres and address them accordingly! Bats as birds - _Lev. 11:13, 19 And these are they which ye shall have in abomination among the fowls...And the stork, the heron after her kind, and the lapwing, and the bat. (See also Deut. 14:11, 18)_ Slavery (Deuteronomy 15:12-15; Ephesians 6:9; Colossians 4:1) Disc - _Psalms 33:14-15 From his seat in heaven, God can see the whole earth and all its inhabitants. (He sits directly above the earth, which is a flat disc below him.) Issah 40:22 Daniel 2:35 The stone became "a great mountain" that "filled the whole earth." This could only be possible on a flat, disc-shaped earth._
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@antoniopadro1760 Antonio it just amazes me that you, as apprently an intelegent person, can buy into all this crap! I don't even know if you are pulling my leg here? Why do you dismiss all the scientific categorical evidence? Why are you more keen to buy into talking snakes & donkeys, bats that are birds & at best circular rather than spherical Earths than what has been categorically proven by science? There are still questions that science needs to answer but the age of the Earth & the ascent of life upon it are not among them! If you choose not to accept those facts there is not much I can do.
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@antoniopadro1760 I don't know what happened before the Big Bang Antonio, no one ++ AT THE MOMENT ++ does but just plugging one of many gods in the gap does not answer any of those questions. I do PROVABLY, to within a .05% acuarcy, know the age of the Earth taken, from MANY independent sources & can, even just based on DNA evidence alone, tell you that we acesended from apes & share a common ancestor with all living things. The £1000 bet is still there if you want to PROVE otherwise. As you say, we're about done. My 4G is very patchy & I've got to get pick some cockles & samphire for a barbie tonight. I wish you & yours wealth, health, knowledge & happiness in years to come.
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@antoniopadro1760 Give me the link to the actual site you would like me to watch Antonio & I promise I will check it out when I get a chance & report back.
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@antoniopadro1760 I will check it out Antonio I promise but if we just take the age of the Earth - what part of the science don't you understand?
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+Antonio Padro Listen Antonio I respect your views & beliefs & am in no way aiming this as a personal attack on you but again, all of what you mentioned above can now be definitively proven by science. You have to understand the time scales involved here. Taking you literal biblical view of the world being 6700 years old it wouldn't have happened but over BILLIONS of years things do happen. Scientist have created life from inert non living matter so the mechanics of life coming about without a god are known. Ask yourself this though - Why would a god who revels in flora & fauna create TRILLIONS upon TRILLIONS of pieces of useless sterile rock to float around the universe? Why not put life on ALL planets? I'm fairly certain there is other life out there which is going to be a difficult one for thiests to explain away as that small possible fact has not been mentioned in the bible. With Gay people. As a kid in the 70's peoole used to engage in "Gay Bashing" which basically meant kicking the shit out of Gay people. I don't think I ever engaged in the physical side of that but certainly targeted some truly hateful words at some unfortunate souls. I grew up. I talked to people to learn why they were different, how in practically all cases they had no choice in it, it was an innate condition they had no control over. Even now I have a problem watching two dudes kissing but I think that is more a problem with me than them. I think if there was a God Antonio he'd want us to be kind to & tolerant of others. I don't get why some animals, including humans, have homosexual tendencies - Maybe it's down to population control or a quirk in all life that the sexuality meter can swing irrationally out of control in one direction or another. Strange thing is one of the toughest gangsters London had ever seen back in the 60's Reggie Kray was as bent as a 9 bob note! He practically would have written his own death warrant had he & his twin had not been the top dogs. Do you honestly think a man like that, knowing all the repercussions & consequences CHOSE to be Gay?
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Proof?
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PEOPLE WHO FEEL THE NEED TO WRITE IN CAPITAL LETTERS ARE PATENTLY NUTS & SHOULD BE IGNORED & AVOIDED AT ALL COSTS!
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A.) Prove it! B.) We weren't formed from either rock or dust or the rib of that dust. C.) You are a deluded, ill informed ignorant idiot!
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@DVDRAR "Good" or "god?" If the latter the onus is not on me, I'm not the one asserting the claim! Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.... I don't see any coming from the side of religion?
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@DVDRAR Well I've been married for 20 years so have to run the "girlfriend" idea passed the wife but nothing would give me more pleasure than stop making these comments as soon as deluded pig ignorant theists do the same!
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To whom?
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Yeah...let's just give up & science & all their cures for the horrible diseases your god foisted upon us & all the technology like the platform you are using to spout your shit!
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I'm both amazed & disappointed that in 2019 we still have people on here buying into puerile, pernicious Bronze age woo! You STILL buy into a discredited book of nonsense that was a factor of BILLIONS out on the age of the earth, not even close with the actual mechanics of it's creation, that thinks everything alive today came off a boat 4500 years ago piloted by a 600 year old man, that condones & celebrated slavery & the destruction of good people born with an alternate sexual orientation? That in other guises flies planes into buildings & shoots teenage girls in the face for going against religious doctrine in trying to obtain an education? There is an old saying that "give me a child until he is 7 & I will give you the man" unfortunately religion got it's sinister tentacles into a lot of you from probably even earlier than that & now you are unable to even look for let alone see the empirical, secular truth in a forest of mumbo jumbo trees! Truth be known I would say 90% of don't even believe in shit like the creation story & flood & can PROVE that!
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No. Science backs up with cold hard facts all it asserts! Faith & fuzzy feeling don't do it in 2019 - Sorry!
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Capt. Kirk - 1972
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And yet you use it to post your inane shit on the internet?
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@Navii-05 "Living Waters" - Banana Man?.... Are you serious!
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All you theists on her scrambling about for some shred of credibility for your bankrupt religions... This is actually another nail in your coffin!
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Well, all I can say is that you must have been watching a DIFFERENT video!
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Honestly? We share DNA because all life on this planet has a common ancestor. That is now 100% categorical, emphatic, peer reviewed empirical FACT! You could say NOTHING would have been made without a human factor - Penicillin, a 747, a box of chocolates. We have a set of tools, materials & a large brain - Given enough time even higher apes would put something together using those! The patterns & maths are human constructs - like saying I put some wheat, yeast, salt & water together & made bread!
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Pierre Landry I'm no expert on the matter but can give a layman's take on it. If you are really that interested I'd suggest you go to talkorigins.org where they will give you a much more comprehensive explanation.
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A.) Do some research - talkorigin.org B.) If you want people to take you seriously improve your grammar & spelling. C.) That is NOT what is written in the bible. D.) You're an idiot!
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