Comments by "Sea to Shining Sea12 Sea12" (@SeatoShiningSeaSea) on "Johnny Harris"
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The territories at a great distance from Mexico City, SW and parts Central America were not patriotic towards the young Republic. The SW territories population, Spanish colonists did not participate in Mexican independence or were part of the political dynamics between New Spain (to become Mexico) and Spain. The SW was claimed by Mexico after Spain abdicated the territories, neither Mexico or the SW Spanish colonists had loyalty's to one another as they were basically strangers, very distant, different geography, history, cultures. The United States saved the day for the sparse SW Colonial population who were not patriotic and sought independence from Mexico. They had relationships with the United States commercial trade via the Santa Fe Trail and mountain men trappers and American settlers. We need to ask, would Spain who was financially in trouble have sold the SW to the United States if not for Mexican independence. . Spain had already given up Florida and was working with M Austin to establish Spanish land grants to Americans in Texas. Spain was never able to colonize or control the northern wilderness isolated lands because of the thousands of unconquered Indians who were feared by all colonists. Later these Indians gave Mexico much grief. The SW Indians never acknowledged Mexico, attacking raids on Mexicans even siding with the United States. The SW latitude was closer to the United States and just happened to fall in Mexico's hands for a few years. One way or another, the the SW was destined to be part of the United States . It's just that three centuries earlier, Spain beat Great Britain and France on claims for the territories. Spain was constantly on watch for her northern territories intrusion against the French, Russia, Great Britain, setting up Spanish colonies in the far north as intruder outposts.
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Magical Moments. The United States did defeat central Mexico -- via ships the U.S. military reached Vera Cruz and conquered it; then headed to Mexico City which was defeated and occupied by the United States over taking the nation, and flying the United States flag over Mexico's capital city. So the United States battled not just small groups of lightly armed men, but also battled the real patriotic Mexican army in central Mexico. Better weapons -- American S. Colt invented a weapon that was able to fire multiple times before reloading and a great asset towards United States military conquest. The United States was militarily well prepared for war on foreign soil. Mexico won independence during a time when Spain was at an all out war, threatened by Frence invasion in Spain during the Penisular War in Europe. A priority for Spain to save it's country back in Europe, its focus militarily and financially was in Spain not America. Mexico, since it's inception never had the world power, influence, financial resources, strategy, or able to build an empire as Spain once had. Ill prepared, young independent Mexico started the War, regardless of it's civil revolutions or unpreparedness. Polk was ready to battle a war started by Mexico, whether or not Mexico was weak or strong. The U.S.A. did in fact defeat all of Mexico, admittedly so. Read the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo. Part of the negotiations was the U.S. returning parts of Mexico back and purchased the northern territories. It never fails to amaze, all the excuses Mexicans come up with.
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Jimmy Garcia I don't dream like you do. I hit the history books of which you know nothing of. The colonies in the new world has been referred to as America since before independence from Great Britain because their brothers lived in America. And close to two centuries later, at Independence became the United States of America while the neighbor later became Estados Unidos Mexicano's. Even Mexicano's typically looked to the United States as "los Americano's." It's just a historical fact that the United States is American. But common ignorance that all from Canada to Argentina are Americans as well. so I personally refer to the United States of America or United States citizens. People from the United States refer to being American because they are. So, yes Polk was the American president, even by Mexican standards in 1846 at war with los Americano's. Polk defeated the Mexican Republic in 1848, eventhough the United States of America was outnumbered on foreign soil, Polks great military flew the United States flag over Mexico City--typical conquest of a nation by war; been happening for centuries. The United States had the advantage of better weapons, strategic officers, unity, financial means. What did Mexico offer, internal revolutions. Get over it. Learn the history with an open mind. The Mexican government accepted defeat in 1848, it's time you do too.
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@skywolf2012 Another ridiculous excuse. Just when was the United States supposed to strike Mexico. A war would never have transpired waiting for Mexico to attain power. Mexicans would need to trek another million acres to reach the US as they always look north wishing to be Americans. As it stands, many Mexicans are bummed because the border is situated too far north. If in the 1500s, Spain had not claimed California, New Mexico/Arizona, and Texas, Mexico would be speechless on these territories as it is on Oregan, Oklahoma, Louisiana, etc., or if Spain had sold these problematic isolated wilderness distant territories situated in the far north, with only 2% of New Spains population, not to mention the thousands of uncontrolled, unconquered Indians prior to Mexican independence, Mexico would never have claimed the SW wilderness frontier which was easily defeated with hardly a battle or Mexican military anywhere in sight. These territories did not participate in Mexican independence or the political dynamics between the Mexico City and central core parts of New Spain and Spain. Or were they patriotic to the young Republic of Mexico after Mexican officials trekked north, to their new claimed quasi territory to replace Spains flag with Mexico's. Met opposition and were considered foreign strangers. Instead of assuming, folks need to learn American history.
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For starters, both nations went to war, which Mexico started on disputed land. The United States conquered Mexico, all of Mexico, flying the United States flag and occupying the land. Both nations signed a treaty agreement, under which the United States returned Mexico's core and heartland and paid Mexico fifteen million dollars for territories the United States wanted. The lands were obviously not stolen, rather the United States took the land by conquest at war. Mexico was a young nation, unstable and the SW was litterally another world, disconnected, very distant and unpatriotic; Mexico unable to control the heartland, much less the far off wilderness territories with thousands of unconquered Indians who hated Mexico trespassing their lands. Mexico sold additional land to the United States after the War, under the Gadson Purchase for another ten million. Mexico made out royally on territories they claimed after Mexican independence, lands not inherently Mexico. In fact there was hardly a Mexican living in the far north isolated California to Texas except for Mexican officials who traveled north to plant the Mexican flag and claim the land. Mexicans immigrated to border areas after the Mexican War, closer to 1900, establishing Mexican towns. . Mexican's had no need for the north until the United States took it. Stolen lands is nothing but woke culture history revison.
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Spaniards did not take over Mexican lands. Spaniards claimed lands to become numerous territories developing into New Spain: California, New Mexico, Texas to Florida, todays Mexico (Chihuahua, Nuevo Leon, Nueva Viscaya, Nueva Navarra, kingdoms of Galacia and Yucatan etc), Central America, Cuba, Philippines, Caribbeans which later became nations or parts of a nation such as the United States, Mexico etc . Mexico/Mexicans did not get their start until 1821, three hundred years after Spain claimed territories occupied by numerous Indian tribes who never identified as Mexican. You've got New Mexico history upside down as well as Mexican and U.S. history. The young Republic of Mexico claimed New Mexico for only 25 years known as the Mexican Period 1821-1848. In fact New Mexico predates Mexico by over 250 years. New Mexico got it's name and identity about 1550, Mexico didn't get it's name till 1824 during which time it's citizens became Mexican. You can just simply refer to a map of New Spain's territories back before the United States and Mexico became nations. Most northern New Mexicans still relate to Spain as the motherland and refer to themselves as Spanish. Hispanic is a 1970s Census Bureau classification which was rarely used until a politician of Mexican descent was elected governor of New Mexico about 2000, coinciding with millions of mass Mexican migration into the United States, consequently "Hispanic" become a main stream term almost overnight in the United States starting about twenty years ago. "Hispanic" is a generic U.S., late 20th century political term, pertaining to persons from Spanish speaking countries, says the US government, "Hispanic" implemented for data collection under President Nixon by Mexican American immigrant government bureaucrats. And people from Latin American countries become "Hispanic" overnight, once they enter the U.S. border. Hispanic was rarely heard of before approx the year 2000 mass migration, most of it illegal. And Hispanic is pretty much unknown outside of the U.S. Latin Americans identify by their country of origin. Northern New Mexicans identified as Spanish American until this Hispanic nonsense. Back tracking to the Mexican Period, Mexican identity was forced on it's citizens but was frowned on by most northern New Mexico with a few exceptions like Taos's Padre Martinez and Albq Gov Armijo and his cohorts. Most New Mexicans were not true patriots to a foreign Mexico hundreds of miles away. Historically a Mexican is insulted by being identified as Spanish, and they do not pay tribute to Cortez who conquered the Aztec. likewise, a northern New Mexican is insulted by a Mexican identity and hold festivities for Spaniards Devargas and Onate... After all the 400 years homeland is the Territory and Kingdom of New Mexico, not Mexico. Historically, Mexican citizen's 1824 identified with their Indian blood. Historically Northern NMs identified with Spanish blood and Spanish culture, inherently so, as in the SW there was not much contact with the Indian as in other parts of New Spain where the Indian was conquered , the Spanish and Indian merged cultures to become a mestizo people. Mestizo is unheard of in northern NM by both the Indian tribes and Spanish. Each stick to their cultural identity going on 423 years of Spanish colonization.
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@skylarkuznetsov2354 Texas won the San Joaquin battle leading to becoming independent of Mexico. United States did not support Texas initially. As an independent Republic of Texas, Texans had the right to join the United States, France, Great Britian or Mexico if they wanted. Texss was no longer under the 12 year yolk of Mexico. That's the freedom of independence regardless of any prior connection to a nation. If Mexico wants Texas back because of 12 years, then Spain should get Texas back over 275 years. Nevertheless, United States won the War, so as Texas had been claimed by France, Spain or Mexico in the past, it's now part of the United States under the terms of a legal Treaty. Besides, Mexicans did not occupy Texas at that time. With out going to the existing conditions of that time, history can be misconstrued.
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Great comments. Our ancestors lived violent harsh lives. Too many judge an ancient world with modern day lens. I may add that in addition to Cortez and Columbus intercepting for the better, Casas Laws of the Indies addressed human rights for the American Indians under Spains governing rule, Spain viewed the Indian as human while the America English viewed them as savage. Spain awarded legal land grants to the Pueblo Indians existing lands in New Mexico as early as 1700, recognized by the federal courts late in the 1800s. The United States came through as early 1831, the U.S. Supreme Court recognized the obligation of the federal government to safeguard the welfare of the Indians leading to BIA, federal Acts and laws to protect their rights. Nothing is perfect, there are always issues. But had European not intervened, where would the natives be today. For sure, U.S. Indians would not be awarded the enormous amounts of federal funding their tribes receive annually, education, jobs, enterprises, or attain prestigious awards in the artist community. It all takes generations.
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@historyliker6375 Historically Texas was a territory which had belonged to Spain for over two centuries. In fact all of New Spain from California to Florida, today's Mexico, Central America, Cuba, were all territories under Spain including Philippines and Caribbeans. Americas claim to Texas was not baseless, Texans won the battle of San Jacinto and gained their own independence and republic while Santa Ana ripped Mexican Constitution under his dictatorship. As California and SW were not historically Mexico, neither the U.S or Mex had an inborn right to claim the territories. They were the far north territories, unincorporated and disconnected from the young Mexico proper. Basically quasi goverened by Mexico, unpatriotic, and had about as much need for Mexico as Mexico for the SW. Mexicans were considered strangers in the distant isolated north by the Spanish settlers Spain had placed in the north two centuries earlier. No man's land except for the unconquered Indians. Mexico permitted American settlers in the wilderness unpopulated, isolated Texas, to serve as a buffer population against the Comanche.
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That's right. During Mexican occupation of California and SW 1824-1848, the indigenous Indians to those lands claimed neither Mexico or United States or Spain before that 1598-1821. Indians were uncontrollable and answered to no one. The exception were the Pueblo tribes 1600 who were conquered, Catholicized and had some contact with the Spanish, yet lived in their own villages and goverened their own Pueblo, permission granted by the Spanish Crown. Catholic missions were built in CA by the Spanish 1780 but Spain was unsuccessful in converting the Indians. Mexico of 1824 made it way to the northern territories of California New Mexico /Arizona Texas which were very distant, an isolated wilderness because Spain abdicated these land as the young Republic gained independence claiming the provinces. The Mexican was unwelcome, considered strangers, rebelled against and the northern Indians were at war with the young nation of Mexico hating Mexicans bitterly. Enslaving and killing the enemy was a standard 16th century ancient practice, the Indians commonly took part in these atrocities against enemy tribes. Judging ancient barbaric practices with modern day lens is just not very level headed.
Early on about 1530 the Spanish used a different tactic to convert the thousands ofAztec in Mexico City. The Spanish created a story involving Tonantzin the Aztec venerated mother diety, and young Aztec boy who saw her image on Tonantzins temple on Topeyac hill as the holy venerated European Catholic Goddess, Our Lady of Guadalupe, which the Aztec commonly observed worship of this Catholic saint by the Spanish. Thousands converted, over time replaced the Aztec rite with Catholicism, yet both venerated mother dieties. Topeyac Hill is still the venerated site for Our Lady of Guadalupe/Tonantzin by mestizo Catholics and Aztecs.
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Not all Mexicans agree with lame excuses. . The War was not connected to Canada, rather to Texas. Spaniard issues were resolved a decade prior to the War. Regardless of both new nations situations, war is acquisition of land. Just as parts of New Spain battled and acquired what became Mexico after 300 years under Spain, , the United States battled Mexico, conquering and taking ALL of Mexico after only 25 years, flying the United States flag over Mexico. Nothing was stolen. There was no U.S. invasion. Mexico fired the first shot on disputed territory. Blood was shed on both sides. The United States was not to blame for Mexicos weak internal problems-steming from racism and an inconsistent and a tyrant ruling power. Not all Mexican citizens were patriotic to the young Mexican republic. It was in central Mexico where the major battles and national patriotism held ground. The distant territories were claimed by Mexico -- California, SW, parts of Central America areas which were not involved with Mexican independence, its peoples were disconnected, yet were mandated Mexican citizenship, but most were not patriotic to the young nation, the northern territories were easily overtaken by the U.S. Nevertheless Mexico lost the War it started,. Mexico unable to govern it's people/country and needed the twenty five million dollars acquired through the H. Guadalupe and Mesilla Treaties more than it needed a barren wasteland controlled by thousands of unconquered raiding Indians out in the vast wilderness which Spain claimed but had little control over. Stolen lands is nothing but radical left wing revision history. The situation was standard as wars go; land claims, disputes, war, conquest, border. Treaties and purchases were already in practice by the United States goverenment. This War was no exception no matter how you twist it. And after the War, Mexicans were still battling among themselves , many escaped during the Mexican Revolution. That Mexico was able to claim California plus SW was pure luck. Spain had already transferred over Louisiana and Florida and was in the process of allowing land grants to Americans in Texas. California, New Mexico/AZ, Texas were basically Spains northern outposts establised to ward off the Russian and French from intruding Spains claimed lands. Up north, Spain did not conquer the majority of Indians, barely colonized or developed, sparsly financed the territories which had remained a distant isolated wilderness. Had Mexico not gained independence, Spain would have treatied the US/northern Spanish border lands to the United States as they were too distant from New Spains core which was where Spain focused it's interests. Historically the northern rivers did not feed into today's Mexico, the Colorado and Rio Grande pooped out in Chihuahua and Baja California northern edge.
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