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All 100% true. The problem remains that once a man commits, he's "all in". So he relinquishes his options. And that's exactly when modern women do a 180 & become awful.
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The problem for me is NOT feeling jealousy. The problem is that any jealousy stems from the woman's DISRESPECT.
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All comes back to this - can she comfort me when I am down & out, or will she punish me for being human sometimes? If the latter, why would I lead her? Why be in a relationship?
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@ssing7113 that sounds exhausting, fraudulent, fraught with subtle animosity, utterly devoid of love. HARD PASS on that
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The answer is to never commit & never invest, staying in the present & being true to yourself. You don't only wanna bang one woman anyway. Keep your power.
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@Bookooky childbirth is for YOU WOMEN - so that you don't go absolutely bonkers in your 40s
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The dating apps are full of women saying they only want a serious relationship and want to "take it slow". They are so oblivious to what men want. It's not even if they don't care. They are too solipsistic & "me me me!" to even realize that in order for them to get what they want in a relationship, they should consider the other person's perspective. A woman saying that she's only looking for a serious relationship after taking it slow is exactly equivalent to a man saying I just want bedroom fun immediately and I don't really care about you as a person.
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My last LTR ended when i verbally erupted in judgement & anger. She had lied & misrepresented herself for 6 months. I tried HARD to stay positive, constructive, & make it work til that point.
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@sIMODINHO I don't disagree that'll help prevent divorce / cheating. But that means marriage vows are faithless lies.
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In my decades of experience, she becomes disrespectful when she knows that I'm all-in, & I am committed, & I will be faithful.
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Women absolutely need men, and men absolutely do not need women. That's just a fact in 2023. Build your own roads, fix your own cars, install your own toilet, Sweetheart.
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This is why I deeply regret being faithful in my multi-year committed relationships. I wished I would have cheated every chance I got. Passed up opportunities to get with young primo chix and make sweet memories, & I'll never get those back.
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Why do you guys even want to be with such a person? How little do you value your time & your peace?
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Exactly correct 💯. And literally nobody shames women for using men for everything. But whenever a fling doesn't last - "no fair, he USED me!" 🤡
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When my boundaries are crossed, i leave & block them on all fronts. No 2nd chance. They're dead to me. But 99% of men i know don't enforce boundaries. It's pathetic.
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Just think about women's relationship with the word "judgemental"... "Don't judge me, that's judgmental" and also "I judge everyone else at all times".
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Disrespect is ubiquitous and overwhelmingly present in modern women.
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But the paradox is that it's not worth the effort of keeping her grounded and secured. You are spending your time and energy to handle her tests, and she'll never really support you when the chips are down. So I agree with Orion that it is good to disappoint women, but never for the woman's sake.
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@roses6564 you bring 2 questions into focus: 1) if as you imply, it's a good thing that we are not all bound by monogamy - then why is it overwhelmingly women pushing for monogamy with the men they desire? 2) if as you explicitly state, it is a good thing that women can exercise their options today - then why do "experienced" women (in the VAST MAJORITY of cases) always deceive the men they desire about how they have exercised their options?
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Yes that was literally the 1980s. Women are an entirely different species now.
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8:17 MASSIVE difference tho - you worked hard for years to be at that higher status. What work do women do to believe they're higher status?
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You shouldn't be tolerating this more than maybe twice. If she's continuing with the ad hominems, you should discard her permanently.
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I'm in my 40s & found that perhaps you can both understand and love them SO LONG AS you steadfastly refuse to commit. Total non starter.
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Ok folks ☕ look at all these comments: "a guy I grew up with got laid a lot", "an ethnic buddy got laid back in my college days", "I'm 6'2" & jacked but the women I'm able to bone are problematic".... You might as well be a group of old codgers sitting around talking about "back in the day". Because... you're talking about positive scenarios from many years ago, or untenable scenarios today. My point is: Things are F U B A R now in 2024, in ways they weren't yet - only 5-10ish years ago. So there's no use in pointing to "successful examples" of this as being currently instructive for how to act today. A lot of what worked in 2014 does not work anymore in 2024.
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@tdaye6978 -a woman feeling "desired" is much less important today. She has to desire YOU -far fewer guys are "punching above their weight" via "lighthearted jokes and banter". The jokes & banter are plusses, but not as impactful. More likely to be seen as entertaining rather than sexy, even if smooth. In part, because dating pool exponentially larger. -nobody cares if a guy plays guitar or is in a band anymore. That has way less value to women than even 15 years ago. -ethnic guys are more socially accepted, but have an ever harder time getting laid by legit attractive women today vs years ago. -10 years ago, you coulda been hooking up with pretty women who weren't train wrecks.
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Women pressure men into marriage, & getting married is optional. Men can't pressure women into simply keeping marriage vows which should be compulsory.
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@basantidevi2305 I honestly have no curiosity about this when I clearly see the objective is to take as much as she can get while giving the least possible on her end.
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You know what would be hilarious - to phrase it in a way that might plausibly be true from the outset. Specifically - "would you sleep with me for $115,000?" She might actually believe you mean it, and say yes. Then say "ok, how about $10" - it would really fry her brain.
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7:00 - 7:36 BRIFFAULT'S LAW - even if you choose a woman exclusively from many options, she'll be elated for a minute, then your commitment will mean nothing. And she'll do a 180 & become awful.
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@SQron188 again I ask - why does she "want that" when it's going to make a man like myself simply cut ties & dump her?
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@sammyb1651 Exactly - commitment is something she extracts from men. There's no "grow stronger together" intent. It's just "gimme gimme gimme while I treat you worse & worse for giving me what I want".
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There is no point to giving women anything you don't really want to give them on your own terms & for your own reasons. And it's about time to "fault them for" poor life, adult choices.
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Agreed. How do scorts make money? Yup.
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@slaytanic921 Sure, but that's not the point. It's that our culture has become so ridiculous that such a dichotomy exists, even on the most superficial of mediums.
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@thecurrentmoment I'm more cynical than you on this. I believe it's that women will emotionally appeal for a man's commitment, professing their own desire to commit to him - buuuut... really only saying whatever it takes to obtain that commitment from him, knowing full well that this tactic will give her the leverage & security she seeks. And - Knowing she has no intention of closing off HER options - it's just to pursue power via deceit. So she gets it, then she loses attraction & respect for him. She pushed for it, so logically it's her fault. But again, no accountability...
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@SmoothCode that's a delightful ad hominem. Now apply it to childfree women and especially sterile women.
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@roses6564 "waahhh, I know you are but what am I?" Just go away. 🤡
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Women have contempt for men who commit to them. They want & actively push for commitment from a man who doesn't want to commit. Then when that man eventually does commit out of love/attachment & wanting to make her happy, women then have contempt for him as well. Women destroy everything they touch unless they are in a position of submission to a man.
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Exactly right. Degree of having omnipresent sexual access does not solely comprise one's "value" relative to others.
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@JD.......... We do understand how divorce works, how feminist culture works, how n-counts correlate to "the sanctity of marriage", how single parent households adversely impact a child for life, how social media adversely impacts girls' brains for life, how college life defiles 18-19 young women for life....i could go on and on. The OP is comparing his good fortune in the mid to late '80s to the actual conditions of today. These 2 worlds are unrecognizable to each other. Orion is dealing with the here and now, and he speaks uncomfortable truths that tradcon boomers can't handle. And thus we see lots of "ok boomer" type responses here from people who are more clutching pearls than honestly disagreeing.
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@hurrikane1449 absolutely. Almost all these women who seek relationships have high n-counts. They are ultimately trying to con a man via obfuscation.
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A family member of mine who is usually difficult... did a very kind deed for me in 2017. I've always been grateful for this since, and when she's being difficult now, rather than get annoyed - I stop myself and think of that kind deed from 2017. Which got me thinking.. This is the opposite of how women regard men who do kind deeds for them. Even after a ton of kind deeds, women only care if they're going to get something else out of you going forward.
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All of this sounds like a bad deal to me. You felt it necessary to strategically hide a difficult life circumstance from her, acknowledged to yourself that the news might compel her to leave you (& it might have in fact done so, had you shared the truth with her promptly) - & yet you turn around in the next comment & talk about this vapid cliche of "she gives me peace / find a woman who is your peace" - (this is just the male version of tik Tok cringe. Which is even sadder, in a way.) There's a contradiction in there & you are backwards rationalizing that you made a wise choice, when in my view the only wise choice there was a macchiavellian calculation you made - the same calculation that Mystery or Owen Cook would've advised men to do 15-20 years ago. There might be some genuine impetus inside of me that is willing to "be the rock" for a humble woman from some poor area in the 3rd world, who grew up with genuine hardship. But I am resolutely against being that for any spoiled American woman, raised with every advantage / privilege, to the point where now Schrodinger's feminism is the standard. I just viscerally recoil from a 1-way "being the rock" for such a creature - while she gets to relax into a sense of security on my watch - yet concurrently reserves her "right" to stick around only so long as she gets to take more value & give less value - to net-gain from the relational transaction OR ELSE. No. Absolutely not. Will not serve.
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The amount of women I know - who I KNOW are setting for whoever will LTR them, then bragging they've found their "soulmate" on FB... Holy crap...
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Well articulated point. A tangent to this is the serial monogamy culture of recent decades. Men in unmarried committed relationships experience firsthand that women are Just. Not. Loyal. So a lot of men have said "the hell with that", & keep it "casual" after those experiences.
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Medieval farmer mode isn't an option though. Women aren't even "true partner potential" today, Orion makes that point here. The thing is, there are millions of pretty decent, hard working men in their 20s who literally can't find a "founder" to build equity with. These millions of men, if they can be rational & strip the emotions out of WHY they couldn't find a "founder" to "build with" in their 20s - will observe that women do not love men or even really care about men in any way that exceeds virtue signaling. That's the crimson pill, unfortunately.
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You're missing the point, Dr Taraban - the key problem is that the "normal" way that "committed" women act with other men in 2024 IS COMPLETELY DISRESPECTFUL.
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Yup. Selling the dream is still the most effective way. Which is sad. And condescending. And when it works, the groundwork is laid for contempt. Yuck.
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s3x & feminine companionship. That's it.
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ImAKangwithnokingdom Ok, I hear that - and relate to it somewhat - and here's my response: women testing men is a game too, and at this age I'm immediately turned off once a woman tests me. Because she's introducing negativity to assuage her insecurities at my expense. So I immediately understand that I'll never be as into her after that- it's like I lose respect for her in that moment. And I haven't met any (straight) women who don't test men, so it's just untenable at this point, my boundaries are too tight now after decades of f***ery. So the one thing I agree is that games are a turn off, but that tests are games too and virtually all women do this.
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