Comments by "Sam O" (@samo6083) on "Latest Sightings" channel.

@angelus3605 Below is the vid of lions losing a kill to the buffalo herd. You can clearly see the difference, the lions let jt happen. They don't have lions stationed to deal with the herd like the dogs do. So they'll often lose kills in this manner . https://youtu.be/LU8DDYz68kM
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@angelus3605 but yh taking 5 buffalo calves one at a time in the space of like 5 mins when they were hidden deep in a buffalo herd is absolutely incredible from the dogs
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@broadbandislife Yh I can't find the source, it's been a while since I seen it and plus YouTube deletes links anyways. But I'll explain it. There was a place in Africa that had wild dogs eradicated during the civil war and the only major predator left were lions. The effects were terrible for the environment. The prey species had lost their fear even with the lions there. The explanation from the researchers were that the prey would just avoid heavy covered areas to avoid lions and even if they didn't with around a 30% success rate the prey usually has the advantage anyways. So essentially the prey losing their fear means they roam into human areas, overgraze and stay in one area for too long meaning the land cannot recover properly. To solve the problem they brought the dogs in and seen an immediate change in their behaviour. The overgrazing stopped because the herds were constantly on the move to get away from the dogs. Dogs are nomadic meaning they have no set home and constantly go after the prey herds whereas lions just sit and wait. Another reason for the added fear was with lions you just avoid long grass or stay in the open where you can spot them. With dogs it doesn't matter if you spot them first or not, they'll run you down. Also with an almost 100% success rate, the fact they hunt twice a day (some three times) it all means the pack is killing much more and with great efficency. They say impala usually make sounds to alert the heard when they see predators but with dogs they don't do this, they just run when they see dogs due to extreme fear and self-preservation. So their natural behaviour came back with the return of the dogs
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@broadbandislife Here, I found a vjd that touches on this topic around thr 4mjn mark. They don't go into detail like the previous source I seen but they speak about it, how there was a lack of fear in the landscape with lions but how that changed with the dogs reintroduction https://youtu.be/THXRzbn1Bjw
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@broadbandislife What are you talking about, I gave a source with that video in my second reply. Can you even read ? And yes I understand the difference. Ambush predators require some sort of thick cover to thrive, if their prey spots them then their chances of success are much less. Pursuit predators can and do thrive no matter the conditions, doesn't matter if their Is good cover or not they will thrive, hence why the almost 100% success rate of the dogs compared to around 30% for the lions...
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@broadbandislife I literally explained how prey animals fear dogs more than lions, I provided the source in the video I linked and you try to bring a strawman to get a foothold in the debate. Take your L and move on boiiii😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
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@broadbandislife I'm glad I've found my match. Kudos to you to sticking to the facts when I have time I'll hit you back with evidence aswell.
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@broadbandislife Below are two studies, the researchers who studied it and what year they studied it. The numbers there can't and have never been achieved by any other large predator in Africa under ANY CIRCUMSTANCES... I gave 2 sources that done their studies 18 years apart, which automatically trumps your single Wikipedia source who you haven't stated who did the studies and when 😂😂😂😂 but even if you cab provide that Information that's one source vs my 2 making my points more credible😏 "the dogs captured at least one prey animal on 92 \%of 24 morn ing hunts and 81% of 16 evening hunts, or 88% of hunts overall (Fuller and Kat, 1990)." "Schaller (1972) reported that 95% of 65 morning hunts and 81% of 47 evening hunts, or 89% of hunts overall, were successful." Now below is a person who studied the pack sizes and their effects on their hunting success rate. The more dogs were in the pack the higher succes rate. FitzGibbon (1993) observed hunting groups of 1-3 dogs (success 24%), 4 dogs (73%), As we know they are endangered and pack sizes are at an all time low compared to 2 centuries ago when their pack size were 300+ . The rest of the predators cant even match their succes at their lowest point 😂😂😂😂So their succes rate is the highest on the savanna at their weakest state, that's food for thought. So this whole thing of their kills being taken is only a recent phenomenon due to humans weakening their true power. No animal is pushing 300 dogs of a kill, lions and hyenas would've been subordinates to packs of that size 🙃
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@broadbandislife "Coenraad Jacob Temminck" is the man that recored packs of 300+ , he was a well known zoologist and one of the earliest pioneers in wild dog studies :)
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@broadbandislife Wait I just disproved your point about the low kill rate thing, I backed it up with 2 sources vs your 1 that was from Wikipedia. Acknowledge your fault in that observation or disprove it. Then I'll respond to the other points you made
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@broadbandislife They don't starve because they are inactive for most of the day. Infact dogs consume essentially the same amount of food daily compared to a lion despite their small size.
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@broadbandislife and yes I disproved your point. You showed me one source claiming they have a low success rate but I showed 2 other sources that contradicted that. You still haven't told me who was the researcher involved in your study and when it took place. Plus your own source says their hunting success is up to 90%, so even if your source was valid it proves they are the best hunters because lions can not reach a 90% kill rate under any circumstances 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
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@broadbandislife I don't get what your point is with their hunting success. It doesn't change anything. They are still on average the best hunters on the African savanna and the only ones to get a 90% success rate under any circumstances. But you also ignored the part when I showed you evidence for pack sizes affecting their hunting success and size they are endangered their average pack size is at an all time low but despite this they still have the highest average and the highest peak success of any large predator in Africa... Either way they are the best hunters 😂😂😂😂😂😂
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@broadbandislife And I just fully read your point trying to disprove the fact they roamed around in packs of 100+. Its total bs, CANID PACK HUNTERS UNDER NORMAL CIRCUMSTANCES DO NOT TOLERATE EACH OTHER !!! This is simple ABC's. Packs can join forces and form super packs, I think that's what you mean because if they are genuinely not working together in any way it's war. Either way even if it's multiple packs working together that's just one super pack. Canids don't just tolerate each other like that when they live in packs. Ps you responding to this doesn't mean you can look over the other reply I just made. You've been doing that a lot 😂😂😂😂
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@broadbandislife **COPIED AND PASTED SINCE YOU DONT KNOW HOW TO READ *** And I just fully read your point trying to disprove the fact they roamed around in packs of 100+. Its total bs, CANID PACK HUNTERS UNDER NORMAL CIRCUMSTANCES DO NOT TOLERATE EACH OTHER !!! This is simple ABC's. Packs can join forces and form super packs, I think that's what you mean because if they are genuinely not working together in any way it's war. Either way even if it's multiple packs working together that's just one super pack. Canids don't just tolerate each other like that when they live in packs. Ps you responding to this doesn't mean you can look over the other reply I just made. You've been doing that a lot 😂😂😂😂
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@broadbandislife Shall I tell you why what you're saying completely doesn't make sense. Yes he miss classified the dogs as a subspecies of hyena, but miss classifying isn't the same as miscounting. If he could Identify the dog as a subspecies he knew that they were distinct from the Spotted hyena, him seeing them as a subspecies of hyena doesn't invalidate the number of dogs he seen in a packs. Nice try buddy😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 If I call an apple an orange and say I have 10 oranges and later someone tells me they are actually called apples it doesn't mean that there wasn't 10, just means they had a different name to ehat I thought. One what planet does misnaming something equate to the invalidation of a number count ? You're reaching at best, you just can't accept these guys were the most dominant predator in Africa 😂😂😂😂 Currently they have the highest average success of any large land carnivore in Africa with their major flaw being they can't hold kills but that doesn't really matter since they consume it fast enough to satisfy their needs before competition arrives who usually get scraps. This is evident in their high daily food consumption figures. Only 50-100 years ago that flaw of theirs wouldn't have existed making them quite literally the perfect predator with no significant competition that could come near to their capabilities to hunt or to fight when needed 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
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@broadbandislife Further evidence showing that packs do not tolerate each other unless they are one pack. Pack hunting canids don't just sing kumbaya and hold hands when their prey is migrating, the laws of the land always apply. They will chase away, fight or kill neighbouring packs under essentially every circumstance unless they join forces to form super packs like grey wolves have been known to do although there hasn't been any evidence of wild dogs doing so. Source: Norwegian University of Science and Technology Wild dog packs are reluctant to intrude into territories of rival packs, territories which are marked by urine scent trails. Therefore, researchers collected sand that had been sprayed with urine by wild dogs and moved it near to other packs to keep them inside a specific area. The researchers said they "found that the scent marks from foreign packs kept the wild dogs from moving into those areas." So, they could prevent the packs from travelling into areas where conflict may occur by making them think that it was another pack's territory.
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@broadbandislife "However larger packs have been observed and temporary aggrrations of hundreds of individuals may have gathered for a seasonal response. " That statement came from a book by Dr. Ronald M. Nowak, a former USFWS zoologist whos expertise came in red wolves. He is even less of an authority in the conversation about wild dogs since he has never actually studied them extensively 😂😂😂😂😂 Even in his one statement he says "MAY" not even certain about jt because he's not an expert on them. An expert about wild dogs would know that random packs would never just gather nicely together if they aren't from the same pack. In you trying to disprove me you just gave me the evidence for the existence of super packs of wild dogs 🤣🤣🤣🤣Nice try 😂😂😂😂😂 Unless you can provide other CREDIBLE sources that proves RANDOM associated packs will all just gather together because of migration. Happy hunting 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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@broadbandislife Hey, it was a good debate. You lasted longer than I thought. I could see your a man that likes to follow evidence which is respect but that's the reason why the debate ended where it did. Your source was some guy who has no expertise or experience with wild dogs at all. You get an A for effort 😃
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@broadbandislife lol YouTube deleted your reply. Calm down 😂😂😂😂 Either way is disproved your source and responded to you trying to disprove mine and how its still valid in this context
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@broadbandislife nope, definitely being censored for everyone else probably due to it being filled with anger 😂😂😂
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@broadbandislife you're the one that needs to do that. I already responded. I'll copy the messages again since you forgot how to read 😂😂
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@broadbandislife Shall I tell you why what you're saying completely doesn't make sense. Yes he miss classified the dogs as a subspecies of hyena, but miss classifying isn't the same as miscounting. If he could Identify the dog as a subspecies he knew that they were distinct from the Spotted hyena, him seeing them as a subspecies of hyena doesn't invalidate the number of dogs he seen in a packs. Nice try buddy😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 If I call an apple an orange and say I have 10 oranges and later someone tells me they are actually called apples it doesn't mean that there wasn't 10, just means they had a different name to ehat I thought. One what planet does misnaming something equate to the invalidation of a number count ? You're reaching at best, you just can't accept these guys were the most dominant predator in Africa 😂😂😂😂 Currently they have the highest average success of any large land carnivore in Africa with their major flaw being they can't hold kills but that doesn't really matter since they consume it fast enough to satisfy their needs before competition arrives who usually get scraps. This is evident in their high daily food consumption figures. Only 50-100 years ago that flaw of theirs wouldn't have existed making them quite literally the perfect predator with no significant competition that could come near to their capabilities to hunt or to fight when needed 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
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@broadbandislife **COPIED AND PASTED SINCE YOU DONT KNOW HOW TO READ *** And I just fully read your point trying to disprove the fact they roamed around in packs of 100+. Its total bs, CANID PACK HUNTERS UNDER NORMAL CIRCUMSTANCES DO NOT TOLERATE EACH OTHER !!! This is simple ABC's. Packs can join forces and form super packs, I think that's what you mean because if they are genuinely not working together in any way it's war. Either way even if it's multiple packs working together that's just one super pack. Canids don't just tolerate each other like that when they live in packs. Ps you responding to this doesn't mean you can look over the other reply I just made. You've been doing that a lot 😂😂😂😂
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@broadbandislife You... Still Haven't Responded I'll keep resending until you actually give a response. I'll respond to everything else once we've satisfied this part of the debate. You can't speak about everything at once. Respond then we can move on.. Nice try, maybe in the next reply you can actually respond 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
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@broadbandislife good riddens, can't reply to a simple message 😂😂😂😂
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@broadbandislife flawless Victory has been claimed, you had a good run buddy😂😂
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@broadbandislife cry harder for me😂😂😂
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@charliealfaromeolima5376 If there was a tally between the damage done by each species to each others adults, then wild dogs are in the lead by a massive gap. When was the last time you seen or read a documentation of an adult wild dog being killed or mauled by hyenas... Never 😂 But how many times do we see wild dogs catching hyenas and mauling them ? Basically all the time. who cares about their power when they Clearly can't land hits on these dogs 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
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