Comments by "TheDionysianFields" (@TheDionysianFields) on "Jordan B Peterson" channel.

@jeanvandorst4287 I don't agree with that. I can have my own unique religion and it can be highly coherent and integrated. And I don't need to recruit anyone or go assemble with any congregation. All I have to do is keep my ideas consistent unto themselves. Organized religion is still very much a problem in my eyes because people's beliefs aren't really their own.
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 @antoespiga Well, I disagree with you. I believe the only true religious experience is an individualized one. But, yes, I generally answer only to myself. My own conscience is my north star.
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@Tomek.adagietto I don't believe you need God for a sophisticated religious structure. I don't have a "god" but I consider my belief system quite intricate and integrated. My intention with this post was never to point people back to traditional organized religion...which is problematic. I would imagine that Jordan Peterson's belief system is highly complex yet also highly individualized. He may not even attend a church.
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@patriciakimball8150 Meaning what?
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@mahman543 Different styles of apprehension. Peterson gets to deeper ground but is more prone to errors because of his speculative-intuitive approach. But he never claimed to be a scientist.
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@mahman543 Obviously, he doesn't resonate with your ideology.
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@mahman543 Maybe you could offer a list of the places where Peterson is "unbelievably naive" / "deliberately misleading" instead of only vague assertions backed by nothing whatsoever?
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@mahman543 I didn't find anything wrong with that debate. Maybe you could offer something specific .
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@mahman543 I can give an answer for that. The far left simply co-opted postmodernism as a means to an end. It (PM) has no utility in itself but it's effect to create chaos and foster doubt in current institutions and social structures. Now that those (classicly liberal) structures have started to crumble, the Marxist left can let go of PM and return to their narrative proper. I'm not saying the left won, because everyone still loves cash. But that was clearly the strategy.
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@mahman543 I think you're shifting the goal posts now but I'll give you my take in case you actually want to have a legit discussion. I'd say there are actually three distinct "lefts": The classicly liberal left, which includes people like Jon Haidt, Helen Pluckrose and Melissa Chen. Those who put people (and social progress) first but generally support the institutions that have gotten western society where it is today. The delusional left. These people follow Bernie Sanders and (probably) secretly believe he's not extreme enough. They are the ones who believe we can have everything--OR ANYTHING--for free. The woke left. These people aren't worth the words of disdain I have for them. So where would you like to go from here?
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@peterwelsh1932 Thanks. It was a passing thought in this particular discussion.
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@mahman543 If all the movement is is a reboot of hippie 60s crap by people who weren't taught what happened in China or the Soviet Union, I want no part. Show me one new thing that's been brought to the table other than woke nonsense. Neither left nor right is a pejorative. They're just the wrong level of analysis. Jordan Peterson understood this but then let his followers drag him back into politics. Just another way that power corrupts.
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@mahman543 Are you aware that Peterson's a huge Haidt fan? My guess is that you're judging the man based on limited exposure. Sort of like judging Nietzsche based on "god is dead" and "that which doesn't kill me makes me stronger." Anyway, what do you believe is the tangible legal goal?
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@mahman543 Peterson is biased to the right because he believes in value hierarchies. But it's not a blind belief, he's done his homework. Again, postmodernism was co-opted by the left to break down the current structures...by people who simply can't compete . I feel like you're trying to push me further to the right.
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@mahman543 There are things to criticize about Jordan Peterson, you're simply not hitting on any of them.
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@mahman543 I get it. You don't like Peterson's style because it doesn't suit your ideology. Have a good one!
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@vaggelisvenetsanopoulos250 The Bible is super dumb? I think you mean you can strip the enchantment out of life with an enlightened liberal education, heavy on the left-brain.
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@vaggelisvenetsanopoulos250 Is this another banal plug for neo-enlightenment humanism?
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@richarddennis4785 Well, there's nothing wrong with a religious impulse. It's just the other stuff that you mentioned. For me, religion is a very private, personal thing.
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This video is a singularity. You can't stop the signal.
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As someone mentioned, discussions like this are still very fringe but I sure hope you're right.
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Watts is too poetical. These guys give it to us straight.
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This video makes me want to join the left just to show them how to debate. Talk about the most pathetic, un-formidable opponent. He might have even had a point somewhere if he wasn't a completely inept (read: incompetent) speaker and debater on every level. My fear is that as the right further coalesces they're going to fall into apathy simply from not having any legit opponents to stimulate them. It's scary that Russell Brand may be the only one left. And I suppose Bill Maher (but I still say he's a conservative in disguise).
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@reine5372 That's great, except that people like to own things, people like to feel superior to other people, and people, well, they seem to f-ing LOVE money. I believe that's 3 strikes.
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@reine5372 No, we're naturally bad. Look at children. They haven't been corrupted by the system yet they're mean and cruel to each other. Humans have natural (or "nurtural" but inevitable) insecurities which cause them to do awful things, behavior which must be constrained by a neutral system. Capitalism is the closest thing we have to such a system (so far). The problem is really that people are failing to grow up and self-actualize, which is due to several things. If our development wasn't being so arrested (which isn't a direct result of capitalism), socialism would probably work quite well. Look at Star Trek. But capitalism doesn't encourage the need to degrade each other, we start doing that before we enter the capitalist system. In short, you're putting the cart before the horse. Solve the underlying insecurities first or else you're just trading one set of problems for another.
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@LMvdB02 No idea what you're referring to.
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Can anyone help? I still don't understand the tie-in of the old man who accidentally touches the Ark of the Covenant. How does that relate to the refusal (or inability) to accept the order-chaos dichotomy?
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@MWB-storyteller Interesting theory. I'll have to give it some thought.
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124K upvotes in 4 hours and a 250:1 up/downvote ratio. This has to blow away every other video that's ever been posted on youtube.
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Does anyone else want to pack up and move to Savannah to go to this guy's school?
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They got a bad draw. There are natural advantages to being a man.
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Who watches videos that are less than 2 hours long?
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This is a throwaway comment and it makes me wonder about youtubers, given the fact that it has almost 500 upvotes. Of course anyone is going to vary their wording so as to not sound like they're resorting to a schtick. The reality is that Peterson's brilliant but he's a bit fixated on certain ideas and bends them into every discussion, sometimes inorganically. I like him best when he's off-script, feeling out his own thoughts about the shadow or some obscure myth. That's where Peterson really shines. The hierarchy bit gets old, important as it is. And his idea of criticism = encouragement seems a little warped. Nevertheless...
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Truly, one of the top 5 youtube videos of all time.
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I'm surprised the part where he talks about physical confrontations didn't cause more controversy and discussion.
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@test-zg4hv Why do you think he's a millionaire? He's too much of a crusader to take time off.
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@test-zg4hv But he's still a crusader at heart and that takes a toll.
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@HotPinkst17 Except that university is becoming a religious institution with a very pointed agenda.
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@HotPinkst17 Great! I assume you didn't go to school in Canada or on the American coasts?
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