Comments by "TheDionysianFields" (@TheDionysianFields) on "Jordan B Peterson" channel.

  1. The message Peterson sends is that people need coercion of some type in order to perform within acceptable social boundaries, or to advance toward any type of nobility. I have to disagree in the sense that at least SOME people of history have risen to noble dispositions and deeds without external pressure or forces (e.g. Marcus Aurelius). I suppose it's possible that the majority are wired otherwise, but I don't believe we've done the experiment cleanly enough to assert that with full confidence. Further, it's possible that external coercion (i.e. artificial constraint) sets a certain type of person on a path of /rebellious destruction/ by generating an angst that finds no channel of positive release (i.e. sublimation). Oscar Wilde wrote an essay called, "The Soul of Man Under Socialism," which challenges Peterson's conclusion(s) head-on. It's worth a read. Note: I'm not saying that I believe Socialism is the proper course for all nations of the world. Nor have I drawn a final conclusion on the innate nature of the human majority as it pertains to this matter. To Wilde, I would say that the human soul--if there is one--is constant and would function according to its nature regardless of what system it operates within.
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  2. This explains why I'm not religious. I find the things of nature of greater interest and satisfaction than the things of any god. Love what's before you and let the rest take care of itself.
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  3.  @bobwhatshisname2161  So you're saying god has a bit of an ego complex?
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  4. I'm surprised he said that. That doesn't fit with the Jordan Peterson I know. This man's severely wounded, and Pageau showing all the signs of a predator here.
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  5.  @timv1.082  Yes, it doesn't have to be an extreme debate like Harris vs. Peterson (which was root canal painful) but just a notable difference of perspective. Peterson - McGilchrist is the best example I can think of. The internet should be a crucible for ideas.
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  6. But he's right about the fall.
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  7.  @AugustusBohn0  It's definitely A cure.
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  8.  @JimC  That's a pretty damn big flaw.
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  9.  @andyh3970  The narrator of Fight Club was clever, too.
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  10. It's not obvious to me that these guys aren't just deifying capitalism.
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  11. One reason is because we've never grasped and respected the full power of ideas.
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  12. I disagree. The IDW has given me some of the best laughs of my life...and I mean that in an endearing way.
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  13.  Hugh Jorgan  People would learn how to think.
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  14.  @ryandury  Yeah, you've got some explaining on that one. Do you really think there shouldn't be a reward for invention and creativity?
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  15. You can bookmark videos without much trouble. Just pause it where you want a bookmark, click share, then click the box at the bottom. Next click "copy link" and then paste the link into a text file. I have hundreds of them.
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  16. I've said it a million times. Jordan Peterson is a true renegade, not controlled opposition. The truths he unveiled before he ever rose to fame are already disseminated and his work can't be undone. While I disagree with many of Peterson's ideas, he's already saved western culture.
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  17.  @lifewasgiventous1614  It is because reason isn't the natural faculty for human beings to address and deal with reality. Emotionality is the default.
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  18.  @lifewasgiventous1614  We certainly need both, although I tend to want reason "holding the reins." I was only saying that emotions are natural but reason must be synthesized through conscious effort.
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  19.  @lifewasgiventous1614  I agree with almost everything you wrote but the bottom line is that emotions are far more likely to get in the way of reason than vice versa. But, yes, emotion is essential to the human equation and shouldn't be stigmatized by society. Bruce Lee asserted that everything needs "emotional content" and that we should strive for a balance between emotion and reason (the natural and the unnatural) like you say. But one must still govern the other, I believe. Too many people these days think problems can be solved with emotions at the forefront. I disagree.
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  20.  @lifewasgiventous1614  I think you're alluding to the idea that self-control is more important than either method of approaching life (emotion or reason). Or that emotional control is a better idea than removing emotions from the whole process (problem-solving, decision-making, etc). I agree and my life is living proof of these things. The problem is, such discipline is in short supply in this world.
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  21. No, read very specific books...be extremely discriminating. Start with the existential psychologists of the 50-60s, someone like Rollo May. Also, put a lot of emphasis on the classics. But spend more time thinking and digesting than reading. Go deep, rather than wide. Peterson and I have a similar library, although his is more extensive.
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  22. ​ @redwarrior01  And sometimes the call is just to throw yourself into the deep end. I'm sure even 12 Rules for Life has some intense reading in it.
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  23. "Strong is better." -JP
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  24. John Lovitz was pretty good in this.
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  25.  @jonfungg  No, I'd say the hate for Israel runs deeper.
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  26. You might like some of his older material, it's not as political.
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  27.  @Ssalamanderr  Except that C-16 clearly WAS an assault on free speech. That's the difference.
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  28.  @Ssalamanderr  It's still coercive, regardless of whether they choose to enforce it. I spent time in Canada many years ago and I'd see kids smoking weed right in front of the cops. But if the cops had it in for a particular kid (or group), they could have arrested them. That's coercion. If you think the bill does something different, tell me what it is.
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  29.  @Ssalamanderr  You're just grasping at straws now. Peterson's hardly a private individual while working at a public university. That's the whole point. “Would it cover a situation where an individual repeatedly, consistently refuses to use a person’s chosen pronoun? It might.” -Brenda Cossman, law professor at the University of Toronto
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  30. They both do it. Two guys wanting to mesh with each other but when you really break down the central tenets of their thought, they're not on the same page. Still an amazing talk.
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  31. Did Joe Rogan give consent to be the cover photo for this video?
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  32. 22:13 As Kenny Rodgers would say: Every hand's a winner, and every hand's a loser.
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  33. ​ @thisisbrotherhood769  The 3rd debate is definitely the one to watch. That section at the end where they go off script and start talking about borders and general politics is brilliant.
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  34.  @fabianbravo6008  Douglas Murray was great in the 3rd video...they all had a brilliant discussion at the end.
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  35. A couple years ago, had this happened, I might have written the exact same comment as you. But the problem here is that Peterson made a mistake and his Pride won't let him apologize. And that's no small problem. I'm moving on.
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  36.  @rhysperegrine5100  It's not necessarily even science. Just openmindedness and a willingness to tackle the hard questions.
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  37. This video is the redemption of the internet, and the greatest lecture that will every be given...anywhere.
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  38. Pageau = predator Peterson = wounded prey Yet Peterson doesn't give in. Kudos.
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  39. The central idea here is that human beings are simply wired for religion. In a different video, Peterson posits the notion that if a sophisticated/complex religious structure is discarded, an unsophisticated one will come in to fill the void. And from there VERY BAD THINGS happen.
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  40. These two hit it off from the first interview years ago. Weiss is an underrated thinker, if a bit political for my tastes. Sharp, thoughtful woman.
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  41.  @warnerchandler9826  I don't want thinkers to get caught up in politics, as that's rarely where the solutions lie...or the more interesting points.
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  42. Does anyone have info on the symposium being chaired by Blackwood this spring. Lots of big names on the bill.
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  43. It's explained in the last minute of the video. For me, the biggest step has been getting away from politics.
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  44. So what you're saying is that you don't like Carl Jung? Any particular reason?
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  45.  @colts8146  They probably knew the IDW was going to hit a lull and wanted some material stockpiled. I can't think of any nefarious reason offhand.
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  46. Or perhaps...there is ONLY the physical.
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  47. This is like Apollo and Dionysus pretending like they're on the same page. So many of the people Peterson talks to are in radical opposition to him, yet he tries to encircle their ideas and/or cherry pick the few that mesh with his. It's weird.
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  48. What's with the down votes? This was amazing on so many levels.
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  49. Why get on here and whine? Why not just hold your ground and lose the license, leading to an even higher renegade-hero status? Surely, this guy doesn't need to practice psychiatry anymore.
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  50. Or perchance, a new renaissance.
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