Comments by "Triple 9" (@Betta66) on "The US-Mexico Deal Was Months Old, But That Doesn't Matter: Here's Why" video.

  1.  Bub loves lunch in a bucket  Will you let me answer your fucking question first, asshole? The joint declaration says Mexico agreed to the “deployment of its National Guard throughout Mexico, giving priority to its southern border.” But the Mexican government had already pledged to do that in March during secret talks between Kirstjen Nielsen, then-Secretary of Homeland Security, and Olga Sanchez, the Mexican Secretary of the Interior. The centerpiece of Trump’s deal was an expansion of a program to allow asylum-seekers to remain in Mexico while their legal cases proceed. However, that arrangement was reached in December in a pair of thoroughly negotiated diplomatic notes that the two countries exchanged. Nielsen announced the Migrant Protection Protocols during a hearing of the House Judiciary Committee on December 20. Negotiators failed to persuade Mexico to accept a “safe third country” treaty that would have given the United States the legal ability to reject asylum seekers if they had not sought refuge in Mexico first. To recap, Trump announced in May that he was threatening Mexico with tariffs unless they did something to address illegal immigration, even though, as already explained, they had been in the process of doing that for months. E ither Trump knew that these concessions were already agreed on long ago (meaning he lied to the country and especially his supporters about them) or he didn’t know because he's a moron.
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  3.  Bub loves lunch in a bucket  1. If I seem mad, it's because turds like you want to own the libs so hard that you spin everything Trump does as a win, even when he loses. His party lost the House of Representatives. "Trump wins again!" He shut down the government for border wall funding and then reopened it without getting any, wasting $11 billion of taxpayer money. "Trump wins again!" A Republican special counsel appointed by a Republican couldn't find enough evidence to state with confidence that Trump didn't obstruct justice. "Trump wins again!" 2. The migrants are coming from Central America. And Mexico isn't personally sending them over. 3. "Nothing you've said makes sense." And you will predictably put no effort into proving how what I said was wrong because you're a failure. Go fuck yourself.
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  4.  @barklordofthesith2997  I rest my case.
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  5. You're repeating Trump's tweet. Good NPC.
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  6.  @Catbot99  Destroying the Amazon counts as mitigating socialist mistakes?
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  7.  @jamesallen5591  They were never going to do it because Trump's strategy was to solve a problem he himself created in order to look competent.
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  8.  @currymunch6097  Duly noted
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  9.  @monarchocapitalist1488  I'd prefer that.
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  10. Then why would he need to lie about it?
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  11.  Bub loves lunch in a bucket  1. Go fuck yourself. 2. You don't speak for everybody. 3. Go fuck yourself. 4. If you keep calling me a crybaby while you make excuses for this guy, you're a douchebag: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kk-dLCZwg8c 5. You still refuse to explain how what I'm saying is stupid because you're a failure. 6. Go fuck yourself.
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  12.  @OriginalBongoliath  I didn't vote for Bernie, you piece of shit.
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  13.  Bub loves lunch in a bucket  Are you stupid? I said I didn't vote for Bernie.
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  14.  Bub loves lunch in a bucket  That was your guy, on the record, in context, bragging about how much of a whiny little bitch he is and you continue to kiss his ass? Fuck you, you failure.
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  15.  Bub loves lunch in a bucket  Step on a thorn and bleed, you moron.
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  16.  Bub loves lunch in a bucket  1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0P0bwyk5tDs&lc=Ugx8a4pWyKnrEsi5OtB4AaABAg.8w-WToDyHSW8w04hfjzPWP What the hell else is "Bernie Bro" supposed to mean? Is that just an alternative to putting parentheses around someone's name? 2. How rich of you to mock my insults. You haven't destroyed me in any way, shape, or form. That would require effort, and you're such a lazy motherfucker that your best insults are "little guy" and "crybaby." You're so up your own ass that you'd never admit to being impressed with any insult I come up with anyway. I would slap you, but my hand would get infected.
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  17.  Bub loves lunch in a bucket  The first thing you said to me in this discussion was "what did he lie about crybaby?" You're a liar.
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  18.  Bub loves lunch in a bucket  "you send more links that I'll never look at" Well, that just gives your game away, doesn't it? You don't value truth. I know because even if you thought I was a liar, you'd still be prioritizing proving you're right over proving that you're a giant asshole.
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  19.  Bub loves lunch in a bucket  Human beings only ever use it as an insult. I wouldn't expect you to know that.
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  20.  Bub loves lunch in a bucket  Do you still expect me to take you seriously even when the feeling isn't mutual?
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  21.  Bub loves lunch in a bucket  I didn't say you called me a liar. I said "even if you thought I was a liar," which is called a "hypothetical."
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  22.  Bub loves lunch in a bucket  Deprive me of your humor? I didn't think you had any.
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  23. Trump forced Mexico to approve the creation of a new national guard that the deal didn't address in any way?
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  24. Trump pretends to win by faking a victory over something that was going to happen anyway and you buy his bullshit.
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  25. @RevelHeir What do you mean?
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  26. @RevelHeir Haven't decided yet. Why?
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  27. @RevelHeir Well, I haven't settled on a favorite yet.
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  28.  @Catbot99  Cool, but that doesn't really address the initial question. What mistakes could Bolsonaro be fixing, exactly?
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  29.  @Catbot99  1. The Workers' Party isn't a socialist party. It's a democratic socialist party, which is different. I know it's different because there's already a Brazilian Socialist Party. 2. Bolsonaro doesn't give a fuck about green technology. He has made his views on the environment crystal clear, ironically. 3. If you support getting rid of government bureaucracy because it facilitates corruption, putting Bolsonaro in charge of that is like hiring a kleptomaniac housekeeper.
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  30. @Tasty Tinfoil The average American has done more to stop illegal immigration than a lazy ass whose party controlled every branch of the government for two years and still has to beg for funding.
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  31. @Tasty Tinfoil https://www.economist.com/united-states/2017/12/14/donald-trump-is-deporting-fewer-people-than-barack-obama-did Try again.
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  32.  White Tiger  Obama oversaw the killing of bin Laden and your side still calls him a Muslim. He deports more undocumented immigrants than Trump and your side still calls him a fraud. Your side mocks liberals for not giving Trump credit, but you'll never give Obama credit for anything even when you would have a solid gold statue built of Trump if he had ordered the kill on bin Laden. https://www.migrationpolicy.org/research/revving-deportation-machinery-under-trump-and-pushback
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  33. @White Tiger Undocumented immigrants don't quality for welfare or food stamps. Title IV of the 1996 Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act barred unauthorized immigrants from drawing benefits. So under federal law, falsely claiming to be a citizen to receive welfare benefits is a deportable offense. Try again.
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  34.  @JohnAOE  They created a national guard. Pretty sure that counts as "doing something"
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  35. ​ @jamesallen5591  Nielsen announced the asylum in Mexico plan last December, Mexico created the National Guard this March, and the plan to send troops to the Guatemala border was in April. Trump announced the 5% tariffs barely two weeks ago, which led to the main U.S. share markets closing between 1.3% and 1.5% lower. Now, why would Trump threaten Mexico into doing more about migrants if Mexico was already planning to use its National Guard on migrants? If he's already getting what he wants, why would he need to lie about it? When I say Trump created a problem, I mean that Trump made it seem like Mexico wasn't doing anything, then passed it off as a win when it was revealed that Mexico would do the thing they were already planning anyway.
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  36.  @jamesallen5591  Enrique Peña Nieto’s administration focused mostly on containment and deportation rather than granting due process to asylum-seekers. However, COMAR, Mexico’s agency for refugee protection, is underfunded and understaffed, with an annual budget of just under $2 million. The INM, the country’s equivalent to ICE, gets 80 times that amount. But sure, keep telling yourself that Trump will in any way change all that for the better.
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  37.  @MAGABeard  If that many reasons exist, Trump had two years of his party controlling every branch of government to do something about it. Your president is a fucking failure.
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  38.  Max Raider  All Republicans in Congress are RINOS? Every single one of them? Well then, whoever you think is a "true" Republican, please tell them on my behalf that he can go fuck himself.
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  39.  @droach1979  No, that's if the wall works, which it won't because a border wall won't address why people cross the border or even stop drug smuggling.
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  40.  @joshuaroe1402  I didn't mean "*if* the wall is built." I meant "*if* the wall works," which it won't.
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  41.  @droach1979  Where did you get those statistics?
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  42.  @currymunch6097  That's not even close to what I would ever suggest.
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  43.  @currymunch6097  1. You're still putting words in my mouth. If ICE agents were more properly screened, we wouldn't be hearing about ICE agents committing sexual abuse at detention centers. 2. Cite your fucking sources.
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  44.  @currymunch6097  So you're just going to sidestep the documented fact that what your side considers valid evidence is data from the Deep State that has nothing to do with the topic at hand? Go fuck yourself.
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  45.  @currymunch6097  Really? John Lott? Fuck that guy. John Lott is documented as having misrepresented data on issues like gun crimes: http://crab.rutgers.edu/~goertzel/mythsofmurder.htm In 2018, Florida State Rep. Matt Caldwell said in an interview that a law enforcement officer is more likely to commit a crime than someone with a concealed weapons permit. He never explained what his source was, but it was likely John Lott. You see, in 2015, Lott compared the rate of crimes committed by police nationwide to permit revocations in Texas, Florida and Michigan. The numbers on police crime came from a national search of news reports by a team at Bowling Green State University. Lott took the national data, compared it to the fraction of permit holders in Texas who had their permits revoked, then worked the data several ways and found a substantial gap. He said, "The rate for police was between 7 to 10 times higher than for permit holders." There were just a few issues with his math. Lott's data on crimes by police came from research by Philip Stinson, a criminal justice professor at Bowling Green State University. Stinson was reporting the number of cases, not the number of individual officers involved in crimes. Also, Lott's use of permit revocations to measure crimes by permit holders is questionable. The data undercounts the actual number of infractions. The process is: an infraction occurs, then it's reported to the authorities, who must find it as a crime or infraction that would warrant revocation before said revocation occurs. Lott did the same thing with illegal immigration. There's a category in the Arizona prisoner data set labeled “non-US citizen, deportable.” Lott based his study on the data in this category and assumed that it included only undocumented immigrants. The category actually included a mix of undocumented immigrants and migrants legally present in the United States who became deportable by committing serious offenses while in the country. It includes people who have green cards, temporary work permits, a tourist visa, and it also includes illegal immigrants. It's just not clear how many there are of each, yet Lott wrote in his paper numerous times that the advantage of his study is that he can identify illegal immigrants. He can't. There is a chance he got the data from a study on Arizona's prison population that he was hired to update. In the study, Lott and a co-author don't reach any conclusions about undocumented immigrants and crime, but they found “non-US citizens” accounted for 28.8% of drug sales and trafficking offenses and 2.2% of drug possession offenses. However, these numbers do not distinguish between legal and undocumented immigrants. So basically, your supporting evidence consists of data that doesn't distinguish between legal and illegal immigrants, putting the accuracy of your argument into question. Do illegal immigrants commit drug crimes? Yes. But is it as bad as you're claiming? No.
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  46.  @currymunch6097  I mean, some of this is kinda obvious: immigrants aren't automatically illegals, a border wall won't completely stop illegal immigrants, etc. The problem with the border wall is twofold: Trump presents it like it's a cure-all solution, and it doesn't address the factors that make people migrate in the first place.
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  47.  @droach1979  "Nobody is worried about overstayed visas. Those people were at least vetted at one time." That's one more time than some ICE agents. My dad is friends with someone who works at Homeland Security. He said the ICE agent screening process is so lax that some agents have criminal records, which you would think would be an issue in a background check. If I seem "irrationally emotional," what my dad's friend said is a big reason as to why. We expect immigrants to meet a higher bar than the one we set for the people who work in immigration.
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  48.  Randy Smith  Because we let them? Does that mean you're admitting Trump sucks at his job?
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  49.  Randy Smith  "Willing to take the political heat"? Bullshit! Trump skipped the WHCD because it would've hurt his widdle feewings. Fuck you, you apologist prick.
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  50.  @droach1979  Did I in any way suggest criminalizing ICE? No. I suggested screening them more thoroughly. If you cared about factual accuracy, you would've known that.
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  51.  @droach1979  1. "He's been 'disproven' over and over again." No, I haven't. Calling me a libtard doesn't count. 2. Here's the screening process outlined. https://www.criminaljusticedegreeschools.com/criminal-justice-careers/ice-agent/ Now, normally, if you have committed a felony, you can't get a job as an ICE agent. However, 10,000 ICE agents were hired as part of Trump's crackdown on immigration. It was the biggest ramp-up since the mid-2000s, when the number of Customs and Border Protection agents doubled. But hiring so many new employees so fast - about 17,000 agents over six years - meant the CBP couldn’t properly vet new employees, which led to a flood of corruption cases and allegations of excessive use of force. Meanwhile, you can look up "ICE lawsuits" and "ICE agents breaking the law" and you'll find gems like this one from the Government Accountability Office where ICE agents regularly failed to follow procedures when deciding on whether to deport former military service members. https://www.gao.gov/assets/700/699549.pdf 3. Ronald Reagan was the only other president to skip the WHCD, and that was because he was recovering from an assassination attempt. Even then, he still called in from Camp David. Trump is a whiny little bitch. Try again.
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  52.  @droach1979  "He's been disproven multiple times" [Citation needed, dipshit]
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  53.  Max Raider  "I am perfectly fine with them being shot as they cross the border" Keep telling me how pro-life you are.
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  54.  @Warren_Peace  The Berlin Wall, The Western Wall, The Great Wall of China - none of them worked as well as you'd like to claim. If a border wall ever does work (evidence for which is hard to come by), it's always under a very specific set of circumstances that can't be easily replicated.
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  55.  @Warren_Peace  Remember when Sarah Sanders said a border wall would've stopped El Chapo? You know, the drug kingpin known for using tunnels? If you can just tunnel underneath the wall, how effective could it really be? No, I question the effectiveness of a border wall because it does nothing to address why people come here in the first place. Where do most migrants come from? Central America. What's going on in Central America? A whole lot of violence (much of which was fueled by guns they got from the U.S. because of loosened gun laws, but that's a different story). However, this isn't solely about people fleeing violence, is it? Otherwise, the immigration debate wouldn't be as oversimplified as "You either support the border wall or you hate America." No, this is about the notion that we're being invaded by thousands of Tony Montanas or whatever the midterm ad said that Trump tweeted. If the purpose of a border wall is just to stop the flow of drugs, that would be one thing. But scaring people into supporting a border wall and making jokes about shooting people who try to cross over it won't do shit because it isn't like we would be completely drug-free if not for those dastardly Hondurans.
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  56.  @Warren_Peace  Don't lecture me on human nature. I know fear is a motivator. That's why people elected Trump: they're afraid brown people will come and ruin the country that white people got by committing genocide on red people. If you tell someone they can't have something, there is a good chance it will make them want it more. You have to make people not want to come here, and given the choice between staying in a Central America plagued by cartel violence and moving to, say, a country that openly brags about being the greatest, free-est nation on the planet, the choice isn't hard to make. The grass is always greener, as they say. And yes, I'm sure you'll say that it's all the more reason for them to migrate legally, but here's the thing. The average monthly net income in, say, Honduras is equivalent to about $18 after tax. That's $216 a year. Meanwhile, here's a page listing the costs of legal immigration: https://www.supermoney.com/2018/01/immigration-help-legal-costs-immigrating-us-pay/ I'm not saying that makes it okay for people to emigrate here illegally, but if there's an easier solution to the cartel violence, I'm sure everyone in Central America would love to hear it.
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