Comments by "Triple 9" (@Betta66) on "Trump Suggests Reforming Libel Laws to Include Fake News Media" video.

  1. Agreed.
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  2. The First Amendment prohibits "abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press." For someone who claims to hate censorship, you sure are keen to defend it.
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  3.  Nikolai Collushnikov  I agree, but I've seen people here defend Trump's dishonesty with "Eh, politicians lie. That's what they do." You can't just pick and choose who faces consequences for lying.
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  4. Picking and choosing who faces consequences for lying won't accomplish anything if people keep defending Trump's dishonesty.
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  5.  @carnivorebear7716  I suppose.
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  6.  samplexample  Alright, then. Let's start with crowd sizes. On February 11 of this year, Trump and Beto O'Rourke had competing rallies in El Paso, Texas. Trump said of him, "He challenged us. So we had, let's say 35,000 people tonight and he has 200 people, 300 people. Not too good." An El Paso Fire Department spokesman told the El Paso Times that the venue where Trump was speaking holds 6,500 people for that type of event, and it was filled to capacity. Fire public information officer Enrique D. Aguilar told the newspaper that a few thousand more might have been standing outside, but there was no official count made of the outside crowd. Even with the highest estimates, there is no provable way that Trump had an audience of 35,000. Now, you might say Trump was just picking a high number at random, but Trump has a predictable habit of claiming his rallies had bigger crowds than they actually did. Consider his appearance at the Houston Toyota Center on October 22, 2018 where he was rallying for "Lyin' Ted." Trump said big screens were put up to air footage from inside the venue to the “50,000 people outside who we love." Houston Police Chief Art Acevedo tweeted that there were only 3,000 people watching outside the Toyota Center. Or consider Trump's rally in Springfield, Missouri last September, where he claimed there were 45,000 supporters outside JQH Arena. The city's public information chief told reporters that there were about 11,000 people inside the stadium and another 1,000 outside. Or how about when Trump claims the media lied about the size of the crowd at his inauguration? Sean Spicer said Trump attracted “the largest audience ever to witness an inauguration." Trump claimed at this year's CPAC there actually was a huge crowd at his inauguration, but the photos taken by the National Park Service showing a significantly smaller crowd than what Obama's 2009 inauguration had were "taken hours before." However, a government photographer admitted to editing photos to make Trump's inauguration crowd look bigger than it was after Trump complained to the National Park Service. And according to figures shared by the Metro Washington subway system, 193,000 trips had been taken by 11 am on Donald Trump’s inauguration day, compared to 513,000 during the same period on Obama's inauguration day. But hey, maybe Trump isn't good with numbers. It's not like being a businessman depends on being good with numbers or anything. How about things he said that can be easily proven wrong with two seconds of research? We'll limit it to within the past year just for the sake of everyone's time. When he decided not to cancel a scheduled appearance in Pittsburgh shortly after the synagogue shooting last October, his justification was that the New York Stock Exchange was open the day after 9/11. It was actually closed until the 17th. At a Wisconsin rally a few days before, on the subject of Brett Kavanaugh's confirmation hearing, he said "You know, many presidents don't get a chance to put a Supreme Court justice on." There have only been four presidents in history who didn't nominate a justice to the Supreme Court. In September 2018, when asked if he would ask the FBI to investigate the allegations against Brett Kavanaugh, Trump said that "it would seem that the FBI really doesn’t do that." Let me repeat that: they're called the Federal Bureau of INVESTIGATION, and Trump thinks they don't do investigations. Ooh, and there was that rally in Tampa, Florida on July 31 where Trump said "U.S. Steel just announced that they are building six new steel mills. And that number is soon going to be lifted, but I'm not allowed to say that, so I won't." First of all, so much for being a stable genius. But more importantly, U.S. Steel didn't have any information on their website on any new steel mills at the time and a spokeswoman for U.S. Steel said Trump wasn't privy to any exclusive information. And let's cap this off with another one about numbers. A year ago today, Trump said in a Fox and Friends interview that the United States has thousands of immigration judges. There are fewer than 400. And all of that was just a partial list.
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  7.  @jamesallen5591  Typical. Trump's fanboys demand evidence of his dishonesty and dismiss it anyway for some arbitrary bullshit reason. If you gave a shit about evidence, you would've read the examples I gave in the rest of the comment. You want slander? How about when he said Ralph Northam "stated that he would even allow a newborn baby to come out into the world, and wrap the baby, and make the baby comfortable, and then talk to the mother and talk to the father, and then execute the baby"? Or does that not count for some other stupid bullshit reason you're going to pull out of Trump's ass?
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  8.  lizzy rosario  Typical. Trump's fanboys demand evidence of his dishonesty and dismiss it anyway for some arbitrary bullshit reason. If you gave a shit about evidence, you would've read the examples I gave in the rest of the comment. You want slander? How about when he said Nancy Pelosi "came out in favor of MS-13," even though the statement she made he was referring to was "calling people animals is not a good thing," and that statement made no mention of MS-13 whatsoever? Or does that not count for some other stupid bullshit reason you're going to pull out of Trump's ass?
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  9.  @mjb9455  Show me.
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  10.  @samueljonathan6101  If it sounds like I'm shrieking, it's because it feels like I'm trying to communicate with brick walls. I've been asked to provide evidence of Trump being a serial liar, I do so, and it gets dismissed for some arbitrary bullshit reason. It used to be that Trump's appeal was in the fact that he wasn't a Washington insider and he told it like it was. But his supporters here are now going "Eh, they all lie. What are you going to do?" There's a term for when Trump's fanboys do that: moving the goal posts. And yet you only call it out when the other side does it. So if it sounds like I'm shrieking, it's because you can't hear me with your head stuck that far up Trump's ass.
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  11.  EarthToday  [Citation needed]
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  12.    I won't and never will.
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  13.  @Alexandra-fz7lk  Good luck trying to prove it. You won't find anything.
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  14.  @samueljonathan6101  You're not the first person here who claimed to be a libertarian. Except the person in question (can't remember their username) also supported anti-abortion laws. I come here because of people like that. See, I don't know about you, but regulations like that kinda seem at odds with the whole "libertarians believe in freedom of choice" thing, don't you think?
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  15.    I don't need attention. I'm on enough Discord servers to stay provided. But sure, the guy who named himself after a character famous for hiding in crowds and making people look for him thinks it's hilarious that someone needs attention so desperately.
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  16. @Trumble Research I've met conservatives far more obsessed with Ocasio-Cortez than I could ever be with Trump. I would absolutely love to never have to think about Trump ever again, but he just has to be a dishonest fraud, and it pisses me off that people like you blindly make excuses for him.
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  17.  @mjb9455  Northam, a physician, never said he would sanction the execution of newborns. What he did say during a radio interview is that in rare, late-pregnancy cases when fetuses are nonviable, doctors deliver the baby, keep it comfortable, resuscitate it if the mother wishes, and then have a "discussion" with the mother. The issue is that Northam didn't say what that discussion would entail. Trump put words in Northam's mouth, saying doctors would urge the mother to let them forcibly kill the newborn, which is a felony in Virginia punishable by a long prison sentence or death.
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  18.    The fact that your best insult is "you're masturbating to a children's book character" says more about you than it says about me.
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  19.  @samueljonathan6101  I would think that if you wanted to stop women from getting abortions, you would be advocating for preventative measures like easier access to birth control and comprehensive sex education that keep unwanted pregnancies from happening in the first place. If outlawing guns won't stop gun violence (as I hear in any discussion about gun control), why would outlawing abortions make women stop getting them?
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  20.  @mjb9455  Again, Northam was talking about a specific, rare circumstance. And even then, there's a non-zero chance the baby would die anyway. Are abortions acceptable in the event of a medical emergency or not?
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  21.  EarthToday  Tried it. Found nothing.
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  22.  @mjb9455  Ofirah Yheskel, Northam’s communications director: "No woman seeks a third-trimester abortion except in the case of tragic or difficult circumstances, such as a nonviable pregnancy or in the event of severe fetal abnormalities, and the governor's comments were limited to the actions physicians would take in the event that a woman in those circumstances went into labor. Attempts to extrapolate these comments otherwise is in bad faith and underscores exactly why the governor believes physicians and women, not legislators, should make these difficult and deeply personal medical decisions."
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  23.  EarthToday  One America News Network? What, is biased reporting only okay when it's a pro-Trump bias?
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  24. @Trumble Research So making unfounded assumptions is only okay when someone who isn't a liberal does it? Someone here can claim without evidence that I'm secretly a closeted Trump lover, but I claim you blindly worship Trump with nothing to go on but you stopping just short of saying I have TDS (the same thing every other fervent Trump supporter says liberals have) and you think I'm the one pulling assumptions out of thin air? Go fuck yourself, asshole.
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  25.  @samueljonathan6101  I always ask this question in these discussions: is your goal to prove to me that you're right or to just throw insults? I fully acknowledge that I throw insults, but I would think that you would want to take every opportunity to get more people on your side.
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  26.  @117Haseo  http://wallstreetonparade.com/2019/03/gallup-survey-global-image-of-u-s-plunges-during-trump-administration/ https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2019-02-28/the-world-continues-to-disapprove-of-americas-leadership
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  27. Trump doesn't get to throw stones when it comes to liars.
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