Comments by "Taint ABird" (@taintabird23) on "euronews"
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About 13% of the population of the UK was born outside the country. The figure for Ireland is 17%.
Granted, nearly have of these immigrants come from Poland and the UK, but immigrants integrate well here and we have no right-wing anti immigration parties that don't fail to lose their deposit when they run in elections.
The concept of multi-layered identity is part of the Irish national identity now. In the Irish constitution, the definition of the Irish nation includes the notion that you can have more than one identity by including people of Irish heritage as part of the Irish nation: you can be Irish and British, Irish and American, Irish and European, Black, Muslim, Jewish and so on. You don't have that type of civic nationalism in England - its an ethnic nationalism.
There's no mention anywhere of conscription into an EU Army - except in the UK right-wing media. In any case, Ireland has an exemption from the EU Army in the Lisbon Treaty, which is what the Irish people had included as a protocol in the Treaty and voted for in that second referendum that Nigel Farage believes is an example of the Irish being 'made to vote again'.
Ireland voted for its membership of the EEC and later the EU. The Irish people vote on every single treaty change and so we 'own' our membership in a way British people never did.
The Irish people never voted to be part of the United Kingdom in 1801. I won't give you a history lesson, but Ireland experienced real oppression under British rule and we know what real oppression looks like. Its the same in Europe: between the ambitions of Hitler, Franco, Mussolini, Salazar and Stalin, Europeans know what real oppression looks like. Our country is still dealing with the consequences London made in the interests of an establishment which spoke a different language, practiced a different religion, culture and customs than the natives.
English oppression within the EU is merely a product of the English imagination. It would appear that some English concluded that if the English are not ruling the EU, then the EU must be ruling them. Brexit is seem as a very English tantrum.
When you have to shoot your way out of the union you want to leave, perhaps we can compare the Irish independence and with the UK leaving the EU...
You don't get taught much Irish history in the UK. Mores the pity.
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@ Nigel
Yes, but you will not last long...a country that throws an international peace treaty under a bus and walks away from a €39 billion commitment to the EU will be something of a pariah on the international stage.
And you will have to come back. You will find that trading on WTO without trade deals alongside Somalia, South Sudan, East Timor, The Vatican, Serbia, Monaco, Sudan and Western Sahara comes at a cost you cannot bear.
You will come crawling back when the City decides it wants a deal with the EU, the worlds largest trading bloc, on its doorstep.
You will cough up the 39 billion and return to Customs Union and Single Market in order get a quick deal. The humiliation will be complete.
You will have discovered the limitations of independence in a world of interdependence.
You will leave, and you will return. Which part of that do you not understand?
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'try this, the EU is negotiating with the most corrupt, incompetent and duplicitous UK govenment.'
The EU has not begun to negotiate yet. The EU has simply set out its terms, while the UK has done nothing but negotiate with itself. Brexit, as promised, cannot be delivered but the slow learners think they are being betrayed.
'Any inconsistencies can be ascribed to the dichotomy between the UK political elite and the UK people.'
Your problem is your own entitled, privately educated, confident but deeply ignorant elite - not the EU. They are out of touch with many of British, mainly English, citizens. Blaming the EU is simply displacement.
'The UK has slowed the federalisation of the EU and could still veto the next EU budget'
Perhaps, but the UK has overplayed fears of a ferderal Europe in their own Project Fear, as really only the French and Germans want it. The future of the EU is not as a superstate, but as a multi-speed bloc.
'A budget that will be difficult anyway, if the UK leaves without a deal and no agreed payment to the EU.'
The UK contribution to the EU budget is tiny when compared to the EUs GDP. Currently members pay 1% of their GDP into EU coffers, and raising this to a whooping 1.1% will cover the UK contribution.
Let go of this 'they need us more than we need them' rubbish, it is mere hubris.
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