Comments by "Nicholas Conder" (@nicholasconder4703) on "WW2 American, British, Soviet and German Rifle Squad FIREPOWER Comparison" video.
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@donalhartman6235 One needs to consider several factors here, though. First, many of the British commanders had the unfortunate experience of impaling themselves on 88mm AT guns, which made them literally "gun shy". Second, the Germans occupied good defensive positions in the bocage, which restricted movement in places. Granted, the bocage was not as prevalent around Caen, but it was made up for by the fact the Germans occupied all the high ground south of the city. Not much fun organizing an attack in a fish bowl. Third, Montgomery was facing the cream of the German units and the bulk of their armour, so rapid breakthroughs in the face of these veteran troops were going to be tough regardless. Lastly, there were a number of occasions when divisional and corps commanders "dropped the ball", and didn't exploit situations when they could have. As an example, during Operation Goodwood, General Simonds, Canadian Corps commander, failed to take advantage of the fact that an SS Panzer Grenadier Regiment had moved out of the line, and so failed to exploit a breakthrough. In the Normandy campaign, Montgomery was using tactics based on superior firepower both the reduce his own casualties. The use of attritional tactics was not through choice, but out of necessity. I would also add you didn't level the same criticism at the Americans or the Russians, both of whom used similar tactics.
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@dpollak59 In this I would disagree. One of Montgomery's problems was that many of the officers under his command had difficulties fighting their units. At El Alamein, for instance, the initial plan was for an armoured thrust through the German lines. However, Montgomery soon realized that his armored divisions were not up to the task, and changed his plan to having the infantry lead. Operation Supercharge was a master stroke of improvising a reserve to get a stalled attack moving. He out-generalled Rommel at Homs, baiting Rommel into taking an inferior defensive position east of Tripoli that could, and was, "bounced", enabling the 8th Army to enter Tripoli without a long battle of attrition in hilly terrain. And, you need to remember, he was in charge of the ENTIRE Normandy campaign from June 6 until September 1, 1944.
One further reason for him being downplayed as a good general is Montgomery's own habit of re-writing history. Had he been willing to admit to his improvisations (Operation Supercharge) and failures (such as Goodwood), history might have been kinder to him. Sadly, his ego never allowed this. In trying to make himself seem flawless and that everything went the way he had planned it, he instead opened himself up to ridicule. If TIK is correct that the real aim of Market-Garden (which may actually have been to seal the German 15th Army in Holland and destroy it, as well as capture both the Scheldt Estuary and Rotterdam), then this is a prime example of Montgomery making himself look like a sub-par general with no conception of logistics or operational warfare.
I am not trying to make Montgomery out to be the most incredible general who fought in WW2, but a general who has been given the short end of the stick by many.
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I agree that Montgomery is under-rated. Part of this stems from his personality - he had the appalling habit of treating his peers badly, and did the same with many subordinates after the war. The other part was that he was British, not American, and most of the American generals (Simpson and Gavin excluded) hated fighting under the command of some cocky Brit. Since most of these people wrote memoirs that were widely read, he suffers in the minds of most readers of history (most of whom also accept the myth of the incredible German generals).
Regarding the Tiger tank, part of its success could be attributed to what you wrote above. Most people forget that the Tiger scored most of its victories in DEFENSIVE actions. The tanks could lie in ambush and take out their opponents before they knew what hit them. On the offensive, the Tiger was not that great, as the battles of Kursk, Medinine, Beja, and Wittman's final attack near Cramesnil in Normandy demonstrate.
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