Comments by "" (@NinjaKittyBonks) on "Jordan B Peterson"
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@MasonRoyce ... Thank you for your reply :) My question to your first statement is... "how does Sam "KNOW" the concerns about 2020 are lies?" So long as a person can decide that someones voice should not be heard, this is a direct path to tyranny by those who think they know better than everyone else. I used to listen to Sam say over and over again "Trump lies". Look, while I a Trump supporter, I am NOT and apologist for him. I don't leap to his defense, but since Sam DESPISES Trump, he would much rather consider when Trump is wrong it is a lie. Being wrong and telling a lie are two different things, but I don't want to get bogged down in minutia of all this.
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We all want truth! We all want to know what is happening, but when Sam's personal feelings allow him to say, and he said this specifically... "it would be irresponsible to listen to Trump on 2020". Who in the FUCK is Sam to say such an evil thing, when there are millions of Americans who have seen evidence, not claiming proof mind you, EVIDENCE that there were issues that should be addressed in open forum.
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At this point, I think I am just ranting... lol :) you get the point!
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@thst_bot5368 .. Not sure I totally follow you, but I think so :) If I understand correctly, ..."so you're saying" (little JBP humor for ya...lol) that We need to have the discussion, BEFORE one decides another does not value reason or logic... am I correct? If so, I agree, but it is my belief that he has so much hatred for Trump, that has made up his mind that there is nothing he can do or say to persuade him that he can be reasonable, or embrace logic.
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The one thing I keep coming away from with ALL the massive, massive, MASSIVE hatred toward Trump.... is why? There are many people who are vilified throughout history and Hitler is the first to come to many peoples minds. However, he was directly responsible for the push to exterminate 6M people off of this earth in an attempt to eradicate them all. BTW, I get there were circumstances that allowed his ideology to flourish, but that said... there are many who think Trump far worse than Hitler and to my knowledge, Trump has killed less people than Alec Baldwin!
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@thst_bot5368 ... I would not say Trump was a "symptom" he was the response! This nation has had very nearly 60 years of Marxist indoctrination, as I just saw a little bit of it, as I am 57. The level of hate is something I have never witnessed, and to finish a thought I did not in my earlier comment, the level of vitriol is way, way. WAY beyond reasonable and was so from the very start. Trump was EVERYTHING the Marxists stands against, as Trump had ZERO designs of authoritarian control, but just take one small OBJECTIVE look at what we have right now... authoritarian control.
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Look at Australia... the truckers in Canada... leftist governors, mayors and city leaders across the Western World imposing lockdowns, vaccine passports and punishing ANYONE who does not comply with the States view of "acceptable information". Trump stood against ALL that we see now and why to this day, the Regressives are STILL trying to punish him in any way they can. They are simply terrified of him, as there can be no other explanation for the hatred to this degree. I could spend about 15 more paragraphs of the double standards between what they thought Trump was and what Biden and Regressives are!
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I am getting well of track here... lol :) My issue with Sam is that he finds and excuse to say that censorship is not only a good thing... but necessary. There is NO necessary censorship, so Sam is supporting an evil philosophy. Whether it be for a single person or a whole group... nobody should be told to..."STFU because I said so" :)
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@MasonRoyce ... I tend to agree :) While I don't know if there is actual proof of issues with 2020, the problem I have is WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO EVEN DISCUSS IT!!!!!!!!! For months, the Democrats claimed the voting machines that were to THEN be used in 2016 were fraught with security issues. If you want to see a montage of all the CURRENT Democrats who said this, look up a video on Zeducation from about a year or so, I think it was. Probably 25 video instances of everyone from Obama, Pelosi, Shumer, AOC and all the rest saying that Trump WAS going to cheat, because the machines were security failures. NOW... fast forward to 2020 when those EXACT SAME MACHINES were used and Democrats say ..."Safest most secure election in history". Oh really..? So the machines were horrible security risk in '16 and NONE in '20?
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This all comes down to not having the discussion. If this were allowed to be in open discussion, yes... it would be a PITA. However, I remember the "hanging chads" of Bush / Gore and Florida votes. The media pounded relentless bad faith of Bush and we saw several weeks of people holding up punch cards and close ups on screen of dimples, misaligned holes, and hanging chads. Now... where is the media demanding that Trump get ANY consideration for his claims that something was wrong. Maybe it was on the up and up, but we well NEVER know, because the entire establishment are Democrats and they will not tolerate the discussion of possible fraud. They want it both ways... To say GOP WILL cheat, so if Democrats lose... "See, we told you so". If they win... "See, it was totally fair and secure".
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The Democrats are saying the same thing AGAIN, about the upcoming '22 & '24 elections. They want to have COMPLETE federal control of voting, because they claim that GOP and conservatives will cheat. All elections should be 100% open to scrutiny by anybody that claims it. We should have a hearing, just as they do in legal cases, to determine if there is enough evidence to substantiate further debate and go from there.
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What we get is... "STFU.. because I said so!" and this is NOT what America was founded upon :)
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@thst_bot5368 .. EXCUSE ME....?!?!?!?!?! While America has never been "Free" in the literal sense of the word, it is... or has been a Democratic Republic. The Regressives most certainly want a Direct Democracy, but that is ONLY because they are currently in power. A true democracy, is 2 wolves and 1 sheep discussing what is for lunch! This is an absolute path to authoritarian tyranny and exactly where the Regressives & Biden admin want to take this country. That said... NO, we are most certainly NOT a communist country, but that is not for lack of trying by the current "leaders" in our govt. I am not going to say it is perfect, but the ONLY problems with this nation is the corruptible nature of the human species. It is simply NOT POSSIBLE to have any "ism" and avoid this issue. We can have all the checks and balances in the world, but there are 2 things that cannot be avoided no matter how many checks and balances one might have....
1. human error
2. human malice
... since these are inherent to the human condition, we could have communism, socialism, capitalism or any other "ism" you can name and there WILL be those who seek power over others and control them. Capitalism is the favorite target of socialists to say how "evil" it is, but they were failed by their education and I could give a 25 paragraph sermon on how socialists want capitalism, but ONLY for themselves as those who would exercise power over others.
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No, THST... America is most certainly NOT a communist country and there is really only two things that not one other country on the planet has... The Constitution and Bill of Rights. These items are ABSOLUTELY 100% in the way of Regressives press for authoritarian power and are the ONLY things stopping a full on push. That hasn't stopped Biden admin, as he has already violated The Constitution at least twice and will full knowledge that he was doing so. This is not to say there have been times with both left and right have seemingly crossed the line or at least blurred it, but when this happened, both Houses got involve and had a debate and worked it out. There were certainly some who were still unhappy, but we had the debate!.
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This is the absolute #1 issue we are having today is that the Biden admin is doing EVERYTHING via Executive Order. This bypasses the Houses and therefore no discussion is available. The Democrats are ABSOLUTELY FINE with what he is doing, because the Regressives are pulling Biden's strings, as he is nothing more than a puppet for the socialist agenda by Regressives who have taken over the Democratic party. Even with all this, the Joseph Goebbels Propaganda Media Machine, big tech and academia K~college are 100% on board with a socialist America, so they ALL do the states bidding. We can see what is happening in Canada right now. Turd-eau has demonized the Truckers as "fringe, racists, sexists and have unacceptable views" on how Canada should be run. He is a fucking asshole in the highest order to call these EXCEEDINGLY peaceful protests by hard working, tax paying Canadian citizens these things. He is on board with the authoritarian leftists and runs away and hides for like 10 days now, because the last thing an authoritarian can do, is openly address grievances by his population. He is a coward, like ALL authoritarians who hide in their ivory tower and command their subjects to the whims of the day.
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Kinda going off here, sowwy :( In conclusion, I would much rather die on my feet than live on my knees. I have worn a mask EXACTLY 3 times in the last 2 years, as I WILL NOT COMPLY! The other thing this nation has, that no other has is 2a and roughly 300M (could be wrong there) guns that are explicitly stated in The Constitution as a last resort to a government that has turned to tyranny. The current govt. is seeking to exercise its power and the tyranny is well on its way... but I will die to stop it!
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Peace, THST :)
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@thst_bot5368 ... Don't fucking patronize me with... "I know it can be unsettling" bullshit. As I mentioned earlier, there is corruption in EVERY system and is due to the human condition. There is a reason why people ride rafts made of tire inner-tubes, branches and shipping crates to face and open ocean risking exposure, sharks and persecution to flea Cuba. Why others from all around the world have been seeking to find a home in America from all over the world and why we very nearly could have had a massive humanitarian crisis on our Texas / Mexico border some months back. What this country has that no other have to this degree, is the opportunity to thrive and live as humans were intended... live free and prosper. Again, there are issues that get in the way for some, but the opportunity is here and those obstacles can be overcome.
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The principles on which this nation was founded are like no other in the world and is precisely why we have, so far, avoided the fate of many Western nations around this globe. Now, Regressives are doing EVERYTHING they possibly can to undermine all that this country was founded upon, but we WILL work it out. There is without a doubt major, if not outright catastrophic damage to our society that we will not know in our lifetimes and will be a DIRECT response to the actions of Marxist Democrats (Regressives). I think that we have had it so good for so long, in terms of generalized peace and prosperity, combined with Marxist indoctrination that the "evil" rich people seek to dominate the underclass. Jeff Bezos, Bill Gates and others could have $1T dollars and has ZERO effect on yours, mine or anyone's ability to do the exact same thing.
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What this does NOT account for, is those two things I mentioned in my earlier comment... error and or malice. These simply cannot be avoided... PERIOD! There are no perfect systems, because 100% of them are created / implemented / run by humans. So you can apply aspects of communism to America in the limited social safety net, but that is the rub, isn't it? Countries that have a full safety net may not have some of the issues we have in America, there is a huge price paid by others who have to support many of those who are just too lazy to do for themselves. This is certainly not ALL of them, but they ALL have or had an opportunity to be that Jeff Bezos or Bill Gates.
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That is NOT something one can achieve in China, Cuba or any communist nation on this earth!
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Peace, THST :)
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While I don't have the education of Jordan, I do have more then adequate intelligence to discern most of what he says. While I do not have his command of the English language, my own education allows me to understand most of his topics. Beyond this, there is no way for you to determine whether I do or do not have the ability to discern the validity of what he says :)
For example, I have no issues at all understanding his position on why he opposes C-16 or what he discussed with Cathy Newman, as a good example of why I appreciate his point of view. Do I worship the ground he walks on...? no. If my initial comments gave you that impression, you read something into them that I did not say. I will admit, that when he gets deep in discussion with Sam or Matt Dillihunty about God, some of the words and / or concepts can escape me, but I get the gist of what he is saying.
Why would you say "much of what he says must be a lie"? I have heard enough conversations he has had with many different people and have not heard anybody call him out as you have. Some disagree, but those I've seen deny science and get cornered by their ideology and end up with "so you're saying" type of response.
I would ask that if you feel he is a fraud or delusional, contact him for a Skype debate.
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As mentioned above, I have seen propably 100+ hours of his lectures, speeches, debates and discussions. I cannot speak to the 4 you have seen, but you would need to give me an example of inconsistency, as I have not seen it. I am not saying he is incapable of making a mistake, but never seen him talking out of both sides of his mouth.
Jordan is an extremely deliberate speaker and have heard him say he will re-think a position if he gets a good rebuttal. Have also watched him say directly that he will not answer a question, as he has not given the topic enough consideration to hold a debatable position. I have never seen him take any position that he does not feel is correct and he says continually that one should never tell a lie or say something that one knows to be untrue.
With the thousands of hours on line and the EXTREME scrutiny he has received by the SJW crowd, if there were even one instance found of hypocrisy or lies recorded, it would be used by the founder to take him down. If there is such a recording, I would honestly like to know.
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I just realized, I missed one or two of your comments above, so will get back to them. The following, is in regards to my being in the "cult" of Jordan. Honestly, I find that analogy to be very rude.
Please explain to me where I said that I ingest everything that Jordan says as beyond question. I am not religious and have only watched 3 or 4 videos of him regarding God and the origin of truth. The existence of God cannot be proven to exist or be false and the topic is essentially kryptonite to Jordan. Try as he may, he cannot articulate some things, as they are just beyond his words. Does that make him a liar or deceitful? Apparently, you seem to think so. I am not religious and just don't find those particular discussions to make any headway. Neither Matt or Sam are going to change their position and seems to me that anyone attempting to "prove" the existence of God, particularly to an athiest, is just doomed to failure.
As for C-16, I am not going to debate the specifics of what is or is not in the bill. Jordan has shown several pages in these videos and see why he has an issue with it. Just as Jordan, I feel that free speech is probably the single most important amendment, as nothing can be resolved without speaking ones mind.
Saying someone is a liar is much different than saying someone is wrong about something. One is intentional misrepresentation of the truth, while the other is an error. I am not going to argue for or against either one, with the information I currently have. I certainly cannot vouch for everything he says on C-16, nor would I have any reason to do so, I understand his point of compelled speech and in his corner on that.
You have obviously found some issues with him and decided to discredit him completely, that is your right.
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@Nathan Miller ... We can look back to the 1950's, when a Joseph McCarthy spoke of the dangers of those who would support social / communism. While his methods were 100% as bad as the leftist cult we see today, he was SPOT ON with his analysis of the danger. I was born in '64, so was slightly ahead of the Marxist takeover in the public school system. However, I distinctly recall being taught that by the year 2K, the world would "run out of oxygen", due to the rate at which the Amazon Rain Forest was being cut down by capitalist pigs. Well, here we are in 2022 and not 2 years ago, we had AOC telling us that we all have 12 years, before the oceans begin to rise and will be too late to address the "climate crisis". I don't think there is anyone, who would like to see less crap put into the air, but unless the ENTIRE globe is on board, industry just moves to China, Mexico or India.
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Kinda took us off the rails there, but shows how the Marxist is all about fear mongering and seeking opportunity to seize power!
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I not only dig Jordan Peterson, but appreciate his passion for communication of ideas.
Unfortunately, I think that passion can get mislabeled as anger or aggression and the short-sided view of some listeners discount the message. Those very listeners are the ones that most need exposure to his way of thinking about ideas. The world could, and is indeed, learning a lot from this man and is becoming a better place as a result. I have watched / heard many, many, MANY hours of his speaking, so have heard many of his ideas expressed many times. The thing is, and has mentioned this several times, he doesn't so much lecture, as just have a conversation.
As a result, those ideas get expressed with different examples and in a completely different way, as he actually selects individual members of an audience with whom he is speaking. Those people know this, as he looks directly at them to make sure he is engaging in meaningful conversation. If he is not, he changes or steps up his game, just as anyone would in a one on one conversation with their best friend, wife, husband, son or daughter.
He is always "working it out" during his talks, so the idea is continually fresh...... great stuff Jordan :)
EDIT: @34:40 is a perfect example of how Jordan "thinks" aboot what he's saying (not a type-o, silly). During the question posed, he pauses for over 10 seconds and decides not to speculate. He does not venture out into uncharted expression without at least a good road map of where he wants to go. If he hasn't spent serious consideration to a specific idea, he will not try to express it and then just hope for the best. I personally think, he likes to examine up to about 90% of an idea and then "work it out" in conversation. He knows the beginning and the end, but prefers the real-time experience to do the math.
This world would have far fewer instances of hostility and violence, if we ALL thought before we spoke.
NOTE: Jordan is constantly pulling his wedding ring up and down his finger. I have seen this in all of his videos, but not yet figured out if it is a "sign" as to his mood or if he is pushing his limits of knowledge or whatever.... curious.
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@mikekane2492 ... Michael.. YOU ARE SPOT ON! :)
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The reason he is so best know is the finest example of all. He, and I am in 1 Billion % in agreement, has a major issue with compelled speech and was his ONLY issue with C-16. However, since trans people were the focal point of that compelled speech, he was insanely attacked as transphobic. The fundamental issue is that the past few generations were not told how to think....but rather what to think! Were those who are so critical not taught to think in the simplest of terms, they would be able to separate Jordan's issue with C-16 and trans people.
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Sadly, these are the generations to "lead" the world when the last "thinking" generation of you and I are gone. They will absolutely lead the Western world to ruination, if they are to have their way. I hate to be so bleak, but I am a realist and while the numbers of such people are relatively VERY, VERY few, they are in positions of great power. They run big tech and they are ever changing the definitions of words that have been well defined for millenia. I have had plenty of conversations with such people and their idiotology will not address issues with reason, logic or common sense..... only an emotional response triggered by the subject at hand. What makes this 1000 times worse, is that we don't even speak the same language, as they bludgeon us with terms that have that 1000 years of accepted definition. In the same conversation, they will use that same word in a context stripped of that concrete definition and now define it in a whole new way. They very well know exactly what racism means and what it is to invoke in one whom is accused of such actions, thought or speech. However, in the context of when THEY are giving us an oral history of the world, racism becomes "Power + Privilege".
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Sorry, Mikee... went off on a bit of a tangent there! Cheers :)
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@artificial-frequencies ... Absofreakinlutely! :) "A lie travels half way around the world, before the truth has time to put its pants on" is a line I have heard many times. People have become so accustomed to the "high" of emotional reaction, it is like a drug. How many times have we heard..."white cop shoots unarmed black man", only to find out 2 days later that the FULL video gives a VASTLY different story of events? Look at Jacob Blake for a perfect example! This guy was a complete human un-being PoS in every way imaginable, yet he was regarded as a victim of "racist cops". By the time we see the FULL video, the damage has already been done, remember Kyle Rittenhouse in Kenosha? Even after seeing his actions, people have so conditioned themselves to be outraged, they STILL cannot see anything but a black man, who was selling Boy Scout cookies, walking little old ladies across the street and an upstanding pillar of society gunned down by a "white supremacist, racist cop who was hunting black people".
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When we have a society that WANTS to be outraged... I don't know what we can do, other than wait for this psychosis to pass :*(
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Alessandro LinuxBSD ... Yes, maybe I was not clear :( I think that there is SO much available information, we end up thinking we will miss something, if we don't pay attention. As a result, we end up "ingesting" a TON of info, but never actually "digest" it.. or at least most it! Jordan has spoken of hierarchy as a necessary tool humans use to make their way through the world. However, when it comes to social media, it becomes exceedingly easy to put ones focus on what SOMEONE ELSE has got them fired up. We get caught up in the outrage, because emotion goes from zero to infinite in 2.5 nano's and think to ourselves... "Oh, my friend would "like" this video clip, so it gets forwarded onward. Humans have always wanted validation in one way or another, but what validates us in the age of social media, is the insanely shallow "like" button. This is why virtue signaling is so insane from the leftist. The blinders of the ideology are so fixed, that even when one DOES see the entire Jacob Black video, the only thing they actually SEE.... "white cop murders unarmed black man".
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As I mentioned earlier, many, many years from now, social media as we have it today, will be the topic of immense study by the philosophers and writers of that day!
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Those who stood their ground, along with those who supported the Canadian Truckers are nearly Gods, in my estimation. They were the most civil, respectful, kind, courteous and wonderful "occupiers" the world has EVER Seen and did not deserve what that fascist Turd-eau did to them. Hiding out for, what.... 3 weeks? only to go WAY, WAY, WAY beyond and reasonable measure to punish not only those protesters, but hunt down ANYONE who was guilty of going against the will of the state, via "wrong think" or financial support. Turd-eau is FAR worse than Biden and that was a very difficult thing for me to admit to myself.
EDIT: Oh my F'ing GOD, sorry Jordan :( ... But seeing Turd-eau speak, makes my blood BOIL in rage! This guy is a truly despicable, disgusting, vile garbage un-human and too many of our fine Canadian friends support him!
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