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This is good editing, between the multiple stories told step by step and all the pictures it really adds to the narrative. Merry Christmas, let's hope next year is better.
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@nicholashall864 Man buys a Leonardo da Vinci painting, then doodles over it and says "it's mine fuck you".
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Could have bought a different E30 and had two pieces of history....
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VINWhiskey: Drink and drive... Just not in that order 😅🍻 E: chocolatey and toffee sound like some great tasting notes, I'd rather have a nice, sweet glass of spirit then a sugary desert.
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@n.d.3779 It's painfully obvious, that people here don't understand why factory original car that are 30 year old are cool. Replacement hood? New paint? What would be the point be of that, exactly? The value and beauty was it being mint condition, repainting it the original color doesn't make it mint again. Mint condition cars are rare for a reason. You say "cars are meant to be driven" but act like a photo op is driving them.
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@Tony-cj3ep mint condition is not a matter of perception....if it has matching part numbers it's a fact. JFC, you don't understand how appraisals work, do you? Rebuild it to look mint.... BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. The whole fucking point of mint condition cars being rare and valuable is due to the fact that you have to have it original and that you can't just rebuild it. Smfh. You seem to also be missing the fact that Travis Scott paid overpaid more than $200k he needed to pay for a similar car that he could modify to look exactly the same and no one would be disappointed in the vandalism of heritage. I don't even care that much about a BMWs but you could at least learn basic facts. All I'm saying is, don't act like it wasn't a overpriced buy that decreased the already small number of original cars.
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@StellarGale 17k+ were made.... How many are still original with 8k mi?? 😂
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@fila1445 Because its "cleaner". How many cars do you know of that haven't had anything replaced? Very very few, that's why mint is such a prestigious title. Same reason why "single owner" also makes a car worth more.
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That not how mint condition works, bud. I don't even care about the car, I'm just surprised about all these people posting on a car enthusiast video who can't fathom the concept of mint conditioned cars being valued more for their rarity.
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@Tony-cj3ep By your logic, one or ten owners it should be worth the same, yet rare "single owner" cars are valued by collector markets more than multiple owner vechiles. VINWiki is a car history service, which is helpful accurately valuing cars... Lol. You enjoy stories about cars and that's fine, just don't act like you know what car collectors value.
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@nicholashall864 You seem to have missed the point entirely, of course it was a hyperbole and of course it is just an object, but when it comes to owning something of such rarity as fully original E30 from 1988 with 8k mi on it.... most owners of such kind of pedigree usually have a sense of stewardship that goes beyond their entitlement as an owner. They see it as taking care of and preserving a piece of history. I don't even like BMWs that much but as somebody who is very into cars, it's unfortunate from my perspective that Scott didn't just drill into an E30 that wasn't fully original.
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@nicholashall864 No shit, of course it's his fucking money. Wow.... You really did miss the whole point. Trite asf.
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Rut-rooo
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@fila1445 That's not the point......
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@Tony-cj3ep Lmao, a ship with a new deck isn't a ship with the original deck. It might not change the functionality, but changes the "cleanness" of the vessel. Smfh, you need VINWiki.
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@RA_078 I agree, art should not be stored in museums. If somebody wants to buy the Mona Lisa and then draw large red lipstick on her so the owner can "make it their own", why should the art community be so devastated that a rare piece was altered from the way that it's creator envisioned it. Hmmmmm.
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@Tony-cj3ep On multiple occasions you said that originality was somehow perceptual.... It's not, if it was originally put in the car by the factory then it's original. That's just a fact- I saw a Porsche vid, on Carfection if I remember right, that only had a recall in the 60's and new battery and tires, now that's a clean car and it shows the craftsmanship of Porsche in the 60's in the way the door handle clicks. Originality can be tactile. Of course markets work on subjective value; that's basic economics. The point is that if it is original it affects the perceived value, which is why services like VINwiki can affect car prices by showing the story of the car- stories effect the perceived value of historical items. This is why "originality" and "single owner" can affects the value of a car. Why would you argue with basic facts? Take a look at an appraisal site.
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@Tony-cj3ep The problem with your statement is that it contradicts basic facts. Having a car door that closes like the manufacturer intended is very different than having an aftermarket door... That is literally objective reality being perceived in the tactility of closing the door. And that matters to car collectors who collect pristine cars. You say value subjective and then you go on to completely ignore how car collectors subjectively value original single owner cars more because of their historical originality and rarity. Lmao, you're ignoring your own point. To be clear, I sarcastically asked "what's the point" because you can't restore it to pure factory original.... The word "restore" contradicts the whole meaning of factory original, that why this seems like such a silly convo. I mean, it a basic tautology. Not to mention Scott could have just bought another E30 for 200 grand less.... But why do that when he could spend $250k to reduce the number of old factory E30s.
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@Tony-cj3ep Okay so now please justify the fact that he overpaid $200,000 for a car he could have gotten for 50k and not altered a factory car.... His money, I know that, just seems financially foolish and disrespectful to a car community who respects the designers that created the car. But hey you know how rappers fetishize things just because they cost a lot, Veblen goods and what not.
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@Tony-cj3ep Did I ever say he was under obligation?? Lmao, I just said it was foolish. Jesus, stopped taking it so personally. Like I said, originality is rare and it's unfortunate somebody decided to be a mook and waste 200 grand on destroying history instead of just buying a normal one... And if you want to talk about how he donated the proceeds to charity, we could also mention that, that 200k could have been donated to charity instead of spending money on exclusive car then altering the thing that made it exclusive in the first place. Like you said he's entitled by property law to do what he wants, but like I say I'm entitled to think what I want.
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@Tony-cj3ep You act like he couldn't have personalized a $50,000 E30 put it on the cover of his album and still made the same amount of money.... like you say other communities don't value the car for the same reason, therefore it's logical to say that choosing a mint condition car to modify does not increase the value of Travis Scott's build as the value that he's looking for is from a different community. So it stands to reason that having both cars would increase the marginal utility to both communities without diminishing the value from another, a step closer to Pareto optimality. Just because Yoko Ono could sell John Lennon's son his dad's personal affects after he was assassinated, doesn't change the fact that it makes Yoko kinda bitch. Say what you want about 'his right', I'm not talking about that....
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@Tony-cj3ep Nah it's simply a rich dude saying "I want that one, give me that one", his manager just randomly saw it on the street and made a offer. It wasn't a researched purchase based on a value judgment. He bought it because he could afford it "fuck it cuz Imma baller" move, it's really that simple. Also I said John Lennon, Elton is still alive.... And you never countered the Pareto optimality of the other possibility.
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@Tony-cj3ep Okay so I know this is a severe hyperbole.... But take for instance Travis Scott bought a Van Gogh painting.... Then he doodles in red ink all over it... Do you think the art community would get mad that he made that Van Gogh painting "his own" by customizing it? Sure he owns it. It's his. Why should the art community get ticked off if he doodles on a very rare creation? Just seems very unnecessary to modify a 30 year old completely factory car- that white on red was super clean (my opinion) and the originality of the car parts was clean asf (that's a serial numbered fact).
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@Tony-cj3ep E30s aren't rare, but fully original E30s are rare..... Drive the rest, some are ornaments that you take out for the weekend drive- It's only special because somebody treated it special. You literally made my point, he could choose one of the non-rare E30s to modify, that'd be cool.
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@n.d.3779 You realize that would still be true if he brought any other working E30..... And there'd still be the original car.
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That's right so we shouldn't worry if museums burn and history is defaced because I don't own the title...
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@Carl Johannesburg someone doesn't understand the mint-car community. It's was an original.... That's not the same as any modded car.
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@Tony-cj3ep Lmao, white on red was clean. Honestly as a guy who drives a modded car it makes me respect them minted community a lot, it takes a lot to maintain a car in such pristine OEM condition.
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Easy? Waiting 8 years for a barrel to age isn't a quick and easy hustle...
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Personally as somebody who drives a modded car and loves it it makes me respect the mint community so much more, there's a certain dedication that it takes to maintain a car in perfect factory condition for 30 years.... Then to have somebody drill into it and paint it is a little disappointing, even as somebody who's not super into BMW's.
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I'm glad that guy ruined that DaVinci painting I'm sick and tired of DaVinci's being the holy Grail of paintings. I've seen two of them I didn't think there were anything special. If you're on a DaVinci you can do whatever you want with it vandalize it It's your property, I love seeing all the art historians getting butt hurt.
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@lee2217 Actually not really into BMWs
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@lee2217 Nah, I just like seeing Minty cars that are 30 years old..... Even a mint Volvo from the 1980's is dope.
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@lee2217 It's still sitting in a garage and it hasn't been auctioned yet. The storyteller who didn't drill holes into the car also drove it 3,000 miles, so I'm not really sure how this is better.
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@lee2217 You didn't really listen to the story did you? He bought it in 2014-15 with 5,000 mi on it and he drove it 3,000 mi within a few years.... He's literally somebody who drives the car and took care of it. It's a sad fact that so many people missed the detail that he drove at 3,000 mi and then they whine that "at least it's going to be driven now".... Smdh. Wooooow.
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@lee2217 Yeah he drove at 3,000 mi which is quite a lot for a 30yo factory car..... Smfh. Lmfao, you're the one that agreed with me that a 30-year-old mint car is pretty cool, but here you are saying that you'd rather him put 100,000 miles on it.... Nice contradiction. You realize they're like 17,000 other E30s that you can drive a 100,000 miles and still have a few minties.
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@lee2217 Bahahahahahahaha..... Okayyyyyy, so if it was a Volvo instead of a BMW you would be more understanding? Hahaha, so all the reasons you gave were BS and you just admit that you're just biased..... Okay, bud. 😂😂
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@lee2217 I've literally seen somebody driving a McLaren take video of a mint Volvo on the highway..... Smh. This is all the more hilarious considering that the dude actually drove this car, so why are you bitching about it?
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He could have raised the value of a $50,000 E30.... Instead he paid $200,000 more to destroy heritage. Okay, bud.
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@Tony-cj3ep You keep defending his right to be foolish, but you never criticize the fact that he was foolish. Seriously, why buy a car for $250k when you can get the same value out of a $50,000 car?
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@Tony-cj3ep "He just did a few things"... That make it not mint anymore, smdh, you don't understand the mint community. Cool, bruh, as if there are no other nice e30s available. Could have turned that normal E30 into a cultural icon and had two cultural icons.... I don't think you understand the marginal utility of having two valued cars instead of just one.
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@Tony-cj3ep Annnnnnd you keep squawking about his 'right'.... Yeah we know he has that right- yet, thats not the point, bud. There were no other '90s era BMWs available... Sounds reasonable.
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@emenesu Not mad, just unfortunate to unnecessarily loose heritage, and I'm not even into BMW's.
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@channtastic I'm 24 with a modified car..... Sooooo boomer, amiright?! Factory orginal for a good condition 25yr old car is pretty impressive, it's cool to see the engineering from those days.
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@channtastic I'm well aware it is not my car 😂😂😂😂 Merely commented that's it's a shame he didn't use a different E30. All these morons telling me it's not my money.... No shit, still a shame.
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@channtastic Let just hope the public get to see them as much as this car was shown. The thing that makes these untouched cars so interesting, it is that they are mass produced and people usually just treat them as such. It takes a rare prideful owner- much better than I- to take care of a car that well for multiple decades. Cheers!
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It was an icon, mook
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Selling a car you don't have the title to? Totally not sketch.
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Scotch is better than Kentucky Straight
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@travr6 lol, I like the taste of malted barley not corn. Stop acting like its objective. I used to love Evan Williams bottled in bond, but now I find it to light and sweet due to the corn. I prefer the taste profile and mouth feel of a malted barley spirit.
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