Comments by "The Immortal" (@theimmortal4718) on "Task & Purpose"
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I didn't carry an extra ounce I didn't have to in combat.
Armor and helmet is 28 pounds, water 10 pounds, radio, headset and extra battery another 5, rifle and ammo 16, 203 and 12 bombs another 10, not to mention good, maintenance gear, medical, along with 60mm mortars and belts of ammo for the SAW and 240 or an AT4.
Yeah, that sh*t is heavy. Around 100 pounds or so.
If an M250 becomes organic to each squad, it would be way too heavy to support with ammo. I believe it would end up being the sole MG for the squad and everybody carrying belts for that. Same with the carbine- maybe one per fire team, as other guys would be carrying AT weapons/rounds, grenade launchers, or a stinger for drone defense. The ammo is just too heavy for universal issuance, but I could see it replacing 7.62 in the role it's already used.
The lighter machine gun will be welcome, but the carbine would at best replace the M110A1.
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DGK201
No, I'm not mistaken.
The SIG round is 6.8x51mm, much different that the 6.8 SPC II which is 6.8x43mm.
According to SIG, the 6.8x51mm round fires a 125 grain bullet at 3000 fps and has a total cartridge weight of 24 grams.
The current issued 7.62x51mm round, the M80A1, fires a 130 grain bullet at 3000 fps, and has a total cartridge weight of 24 grams.
The only difference is that SIG claims they get their velocity from a 4" shorter barrel. They increased the chamber pressure from 60,000 psi to an extremely dangerous 75,000 psi. That's like have a potential bomb in the gun, shearing locking lugs, cam pins, and extractors.
As far as bullet construction, I seriously doubt it will be anything revolutionary. It will most likely be an EPR projectile like the M80A1, with a steel penetrator.
I fail to see how the same sized bullet, going the same speed will perform massively different, especially at 600 meters! Lol
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@saltyfloridaman7163
You don't understand combat, and it shows.
You mean the Chinese soldiers who don't wear body armor and fire 5.8x42mm weapons (comparable to 5.56)? Those Chinese troops? We already outrange them.
Wait- aren't you the guy who claimed 338 is just as powerful as 50 BMG, even though that's nowhere near the truth?
The generals who are pushing this program, including Gen Milley, are idiots and just gage up Afghanistan wholesale. They had no clue what was happening on the ground, bullgeadedly didn't listen to troops in daily contact with the ANA, and assisted the corruption there for 20 years. These guys have made careers getting every single thing wrong. Everytime. And ground troops are supposed to listen to people who've never fought there about what we should be doing better? The only times American troops were in disadvantaged positions were directly the result of idiots not understanding the fight. We had every weapon we could ever possibly need, but if you're placed in the tactically worst situations possible ( KOP Keating), none of it matters.
I can guarantee that, in 20 years of fighting, it's doubtful I was ever fired on by someone with a zeroed weapon. Anything over 100 was area fire for them. I was in Iraq 3 times ('03, '05, and 07/08), Afghanistan 2 times ('11 and 2013), and I was in Syria last year.
The mess we are in isn't due to improper weapons and ammo. You don't honestly think that success the next war will be hinged on what ammo we use, to you?
That these would have helped at all to accomplish our mission? I certainly don't.
Our government has terminal cancer, and bee weapons programs aren't going to cure it. We'd just be leaving these guns behind in whatever warzone our generals fail in next.
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rockn roll
Incorrect, again.
7.62x39 is in the same class as 6.8x43 SPC, 7.62x35 (300 BLK), 6.5x39 Grendel, 5.56x45 and 5.45x39, which are all assault rifle cartridges. They fit in AR15 or AK sized magazines. They all have muzzle energies from 1200 ft lbs to 1800 ft lbs.
6.8x51is a full powered cartridge, like 7.62x51, 7.62x54r, 30-06, 6.5x55, etc. They fit in actions such as the AR10, Dragunov, FAL, M14 and M1 Garand. They have muzzle energies of 2500 ft lbs to 2800 ft lbs.
7.62x39 and 6.5Creedmoor are in completely different cartridge classes and will not fit in the same type of gun. A battle rifle fires a full powered cartridge, and an assault rifle shoots a smaller, shorter "kurtz" round.
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