Comments by "Clint Holmes" (@clintholmes2061) on "Useful Idiots" channel.

  1.  @abe8435  "now you actually made some substantive points" Meanwhile, in reality, I was always making "substantive points." "See the difference?" You wanted "evidence" in addition to the point. And I gave it to you. Do you see the difference between a "point" and "evidence?"
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  2.  @abe8435  "while not trying to cancel the person" What is "cancel" even suppose to mean? I support his free speech and everyone free speech. Just because I'm calling him out and just because I think useful idiots would be better off having ANY else on instead of him doesn't mean he should be "canceled" or I think he should be "canceled." "All it does is lead to endless fracturing and zero clarity" At the end of the day there is controlled opposition whether you try to call it out or not. But it's better if you do because if you don't it will destroy your cause of institution from the inside. Ryan isn't your friend. It's better you realize it.
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  3.  @dashx1103  "Democrats capitulated to a ruling by a Senate staffer, the body’s parliamentarian, the first time around" Which is also BS. The dems didn't "capitulate," they did exactly what they and their donors wanted them to do and they used the parliamentarian and stenographers like grim to do it.
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  4.  @dashx1103  "Democrats capitulated to a ruling by a Senate staffer, the body’s parliamentarian, the first time around." Which is another lie. Dems did exactly what they and they donors wanted, they used the parliamentarian to justify it, and they used propagandists like grim to sell it.
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  5.  @dashx1103  "Democrats capitulated" Another lie. They did exactly what they and their donors wanted.
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  6.  @dashx1103  "Democrats capitulated" Another lie by grim. They did exactly what they and their donors wanted to do.
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  7.  @dashx1103  "Democrats capitulated" You are making my point why grim is terrible. If you listened to him you might actually believe this BS. His job is to manufacture consent for corrupt politicians and those 2 words prove it. The parliamentarian works for the dems.... not the other way around.
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  8.  @dashx1103  "Democrats capitulated" It's like you are trying to prove my point for me that grim manufactures consent for corrupt dems. The parliamentarian works for the dems, not the other way around.
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  9.  @abe8435  "You weren’t making points. Just assertions." LMFAO An assertion is an example of a point. "Get it?" I have receipts for everything I say. For example when I say grimm is a tool of the oligarchy, which yes, is an assertion, and my point, I can back it up with the fact that he gets paid by multiple billionaires.
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  10. When you say, "this level of paranoia feels astroturfed" I can assert that you are silly. And my evidence of it is corporate media. Whom all sane people are "paranoid" that they do not actually have our best interests at heart.
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  11. "this level of paranoia feels astroturfed" So am I wrong to be "paranoid" that corporate media is gaslighting me? Because I'm confident I'm right to think that. And I'm correct to think that of grim for all the same reasons. MSNBC brings him on for a reason.
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  12. "I like how all the comments cannot even begin to engage with what Grim and Halper are discussing and are just centered around bs about their authenticity." The bottom line, whether you agree with people like me or not, is that we think ryan is controlled opposition. We think he is part of the problem. We do not think he is authentic. And we have really good reason to think that. Since that's the case it makes perfect sense that we are going to call him out and spend our time questioning his authenticity instead of acting like we think he's an honest actor.
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  13.  @abe8435  "I think you might be right about him being controlled opposition" So it really shouldn't be too hard to understand why that's what I care about... and not what controlled opposition is saying ATM. "your evidence is really more inference and conjecture than proof" I don't have a smoking gun... other than the fact that he gets paid by multiple billionaires and billionaires don't tend to pay for things working against their interests. "It’s enough to say he’s wrong about “force the vote”" Not really. He wasn't just "wrong." He gaslight. " is overly impressed with Democrats," At the end of the day he will tell you to vote blue no matter who. And the rest of it up until then is just details to get there and to try and give him some credibility when he says it. "agreeing with him when he’s right is probably more productive" I don't deny he says something correct on occasion. It's just that I'm not going to spend much time giving him credit for it when I think he's only doing it to try and get people to trust him before he tells you to vote blue no matter who.
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  14.  @abe8435  "When you attack his character rather than his ideas" I do both.
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  15.  @abe8435  "I think you might be right about him being controlled opposition," I wrote you a much longer response to this that's being shadowbanned because of course it is. If you can't see it in your notifications let me know and I'll try to rephrase it enough that it isn't censored.
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  16.  @abe8435  "He’s just not that important." Sadly he is. Him and people like him are partly how the elite manufactures consent for themselves. "Democratic Party" People like him are how they get any support. "the argument being made by the host and guest is correct," I legit don't even know what they are talking about in this clip although I have watched the full interview. "hope it gets across to people who hadn’t thought of it" If you listen to ryan grim unironically I hope I've given you something to think of. I'm not here to address anything he said here nor do I pretend to want to.
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  17.  @abe8435  "who Grim is" You are missing the point. This isn't about him specifically. It's about people like him who manufacture consent for corrupt politicians. He's an example of it. He's an example of corporate media but he's trying to do in the "independent" area. " don’t think most libs even know who Grim is" They should. Katy should. And if they don't I'm going to tell them.
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  18.  @abe8435  "better to attack his arguments, because there can always be more water-carriers for the Democrats" Nope. It's better to go after how they carry water so that you can tell when the next person like grim comes around... and you clearly know they will.
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  19.  @abe8435  "relentlessly attacking Grim and whoever else just becomes a game of whack-a-mole" I'm trying to tell you how you know what a mole is and what isn't. The establishment is always going try and mislead you and it's important to know how they do it. For example you keep saying that grim said only good things in this clip. Maybe he did. But that's how he gains your trust before telling you why you need to vote for corrupt dems.
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  20.  @abe8435  "You should speak to them privately" LMFAO Who do you think I am? One of the billionaires who pays him? "alienate a potential ally" You think he was going to support m4a until I said mean things about him? That sounds more like the type of excuse controlled opposition uses to try and rationalize not doing the right thing.
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  21.  @abe8435  "There’s plenty of controlled opposition besides Grim right now, and more every day." Yup. It's like you are trying to make my point how important it is to try and call it out. And to show people how to recognize it. But somehow you are using it to claim the opposite. It's silly. "what does it matter if you and a minority of people know who’s authentic and who isn’t?" You really don't understand why it's important to know if your source is legit or controlled opposition? Really? "you have to make coherent arguments" LMFAO I'm confident I have been doing that from the very start. "not just name-call individual" While I have "name called" that isn't the only thing I've done.
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  22.  @abe8435  "I pointed out you had no evidence" I have evidence. And I've given it to you after you asked for it. Just because i didn't lead with it doesn't mean I don't have it and haven't provided it for you. "Who cares?" I do. And so do you. Or why are you here? If you don't care? "You think Halper reads these comments?" Yes. I do. But maybe she doesn't for all I know for certain. "You think anyone who doesn’t already agree with you is persuaded by such content-free insults?" You say this like I haven't given you receipts when you asked for them. Do you think you are persuading anyone with this? "what he says in this clip has nothing to do with that." I just got done telling you that I don't even know what's in the clip. I straight up admit I don't care about it. "So you have to raise the level of the discourse" Is that what you think you are doing with this? LMFAO "you’ll just feel smug about calling out phonies and that’s all" I can lead a horse to water but I can't make em drink.
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  23.  @olorin1710  "Chris Hedges" LMFAO I say literally the same things as hedges. I'm sure you call him an "anarchist" too no matter how silly it is.
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  24.  @olorin1710  "Imagine what they say about Donald trump, rep Crenshaw, Taylor Greene, AOC, rep. Bush," I say the same things about these people for all the same reasons I call out grim. "It's a big club and you ain't in it." -george carlin, fellow "anarchist."
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  25.  @olorin1710  "too bad you dont get it" How about you try to explain it then? Instead of what you are doing? "because CNN hates on both of them????" LMFAO So? Do you want me to tell you the, many, many, many ways they are different? What is your point?
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  26.  @tonyclifton2230  Thanks for making my point about how grimm, "won't be the last one," not that it was necessary.
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  27.  @tonyclifton2230  "defaming" Those are lies. I don't do that. I leave that to people like ryan and you.
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  28.  @tonyclifton2230  "see this is the problem." You are impossible to take seriously. "It's pointed out..." It's pointed out that grimm is liar and you just ignore it. "You would rather listen to jimmy dore" Because I don't catch him lying on behalf of the powerful. "Would rather cut people down than do anything useful." You sound like grimm during force the vote. "Utter nonsense." This is funny all things considered. Thanks for the laugh.
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  29.  @tonyclifton2230  "I asked you of his lies." No. You didn't. You are so intellectually dishonest you are even lying about this. "no actual examples" I've mentioned his lies about mccarthey possibly being speaker if dems tried to force the vote and you haven't even attempted to address it anywhere. "I also asked you about that and what to do when the vote was lost." You did. "You dodged that like the matrix also" The answer seemed so obvious I didn't even bother. Even AOC knows the answer even if she doesn't act like it. These are AOC's words on the topic, not to be mistaken with her actions, "Sometimes these votes create real political pressure that forces developments. Sometimes we vote for the historical record - to let future generations know we did everything we could."
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  30.  @tonyclifton2230  "I asked you of his lies." I hope you are paid well to lie, just like grimm is paid well for his.
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  31.  @tonyclifton2230  "I asked you of his lies." No you didn't. You are even lying about this. But I have mentioned grimm lies that mccarthey might become speaker if dems forced the vote. You haven't even attempted to address it.
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  32.  @tonyclifton2230  "I also asked you about that and what to do when the vote was lost." The answer was so obvious I didn't bother. Even AOC knows this. This is from her twitter telling you the plan, "Sometimes these votes create real political pressure that forces developments." And why do we do it? "Sometimes we vote for the historical record - to let future generations know we did everything we could."
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  33.  @tonyclifton2230  "this is my whole point you are calling him a liar." Interesting way for you to admit that you never actually ask for his lies... that when you said, "I asked you of his lies," that was actually just you lying.
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  34.  @tonyclifton2230  "I asked you of his lies." Was a lie. I backed it up with evidence. And you have NOTHING.
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  35.  @tonyclifton2230  "you do realise..." I realize that you are a liar just like the person you are trying to defend.
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  36.  @tonyclifton2230  "concentrate on the phonys" LMFAO I am. And you are one of them.
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  37.  @tonyclifton2230  "can you answer the question" I can. But I have no interest in dealing with a person who demonstrates they have no intellectual honesty.
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  38.  @tonyclifton2230  "can you answer the question" Can you answer mine? When you said, "I asked you of his lies" you didn't actually ask for his lies had you? That was a lie was it not?
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  39.  @tonyclifton2230  Bonus question, when you said, "I asked you of his lies," that was after I already mentioned his lie that mccarthey might become speaker if they forced the vote right? So why were you pretending that I hadn't already given you one? That you didn't even attempt to address? But you think I should have given you more? So that you could do what... ignore them too?
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  40.  @tonyclifton2230  "Your a jimmy fan alright." Yeah. I don't like frauds and liars. Sadly they are all around.
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  41.  @tonyclifton2230  "yeah I am a phony." While you are, and proving my point by not answering my simple and direct questions, this isn't an answer to anything I actually asked. "I'm a phony." You are a liar. And this short thread proves it. If you can't get your facts straight your opinions (that you are likely paid to have much like grimm) are rightfully ignored.
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  42.  @tonyclifton2230  "I asked you of his lies." Not once have you even used a question mark much less asked me a question. You are a liar just like grimm who lied that mccarthey might become speaker if we tried to force the vote.
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  43.  @colmlarkin8665  That's why they are here with their propaganda.
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  44. God doesn't exist and neither will israel in the future.
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  45.  @tylerd1297  Everybody clings to when their team says something good... nevermind the fact that their team are run by liars.
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  46. @ "not blindly endorsed him" Yes. He did.
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  47. I want more people who are pissed at this country. They should be.
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  48.  @whoopsie890  "having the MAGA Q-Anon people take over" Like there was any possibility of that happened. LMFAO "speed up fascism" It's already here. Your democracy was dead a long time ago. Maybe realize it.
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  49. Speak for yourself clown.
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  50.  @JohnAllenRoyce  "Constant stream" of hypocrisy from you
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