Comments by "antonyjh1234" (@antonyjh1234) on "Big Think"
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Well there's a couple of issues, she uses worldwide figures of 24%, the people who use cows to pull ploughs, use them for transport, dried dung for fuel will have to have alternatives. In USA all animals are 5%, cows are 65% of that at 3.25%.
It is very hard to replace all that we get which isn't just food, it's activated carbon to filter water, gelatine to hold toilet paper together, fats that go into devices like the one you are using, medicines, asphalt, there's leather, wool, fish bladders to fine wines, rendered meat for pet food, collagen, the list goes on. It all needs a grown source to replace what is mostly fed on grass, on land we don't put any sprays etc onto.
The way it is worked out is what is edible that goes to market, it ignores all the waste of crops and puts all the emissions onto just the edible, that goes for sale, considering we get much more than food from animals and there is so much crop waste, this in incredibly deceptive to the general public. The issue here is she is comparing protein of say tofu as a standalone product, ignoring that animals take all the waste, we put the waste through them and then blame them for it. Soy is great example, 82% of the human usable part of soy is taken by humans, all animals take 7% of whole bean and 1% of the oil but they take 99% of the waste, then people will say they take 87% of soy, yes they do but by weight of the total grown product, of which we can't eat. She's very misleading and whether intentionally or unintentionally, very wrong, not sure which. If oranges, grapes, any crop that doesn't make it to market then it's not calculated but all the sprays, fertilisers, irrigation still happen, just not calculated. This is of course an unfair comparison.
Saying getting higher yields means using synthetic fertilisers which is where the nitrous oxide comes into play, the gas that is emitted is 300 times worse than co2 and methane is only 26.
She is using her own source as in our world in data, so she is biased in this way and is funded by bill gates the largest private landholder in USA, and considering we give more of out waste to animals from crops than food we grow for them, plant based directly subsidises caged animal rearing the most.
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Let's also not discount our input, in a tank of diesel is the equivalent amount of electrical energy that I use in an Australian summer with the air conditioner going 24-7 for 3 months. We are the ones driving to have a holiday, to go for a Sunday drive etc, anybody who says the govts of this world have a replacement for that is misled, by them and videos like this that keep the myth Net Zero is just electricity..
There is not going to be a replacement for that amount of energy, we will all lose that ability soon and we don't admit now how much oil is in our lives. Our dreams, hopes and aspirations around lifestyle all depend on it. There is no replacement for something that we aren't paying the external cost of now, none. Govts are more incentivised to keep things as they are, replacing electricity in not Net Zero, if we replaced all electricity produced now it would only be 20% of what is needed as 80% of energy is from oil, which as I say is running out.
No govt wants this to be true and none have a replacement, so they keep the lies going and the confusion, by design. The Business of Govt is Business, they do not care about you or the future just business.
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@mobilityproject3485 No-one is fighting, they might think they are but people have been told for 30 years we need to half our consumption, how many do you know have done this?
Unity with who, trust in who and their is no rebuild, like an obese person being told they can eat their way out of the dilemma we need de-growth, yet how many people really want less?
Food shelter and medical care could be given to all, and we could all stop working, stop driving and 60-80% of emission would stop within an election term, this of course ruins the financial system as we know it, is anybody ready for that change, that chastity, that temperance, that you know of?
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Well, that's a problem then because she's not admitting to the truth of the matter, 20 percent of our energy is electricity, we could reach 100% renewables for current electricity and we would have solved 20% of the problem. She also believes the hype of putting all the emissions of say a cow onto the edible part, which is incredibly deceptive. She is funded by bill gates who owns more farmland than any other private individual and we feed more crop waste to animals than what we grow for them, meaning the more people who believe the myth of plant based as I have been, are subsidising caged animal rearing the most. Cows are mostly grass fed and the one third of one crop, corn, isn't going to replace things like gelatine that holds together toilet paper, fats that go into asphalt, pet food etc. We get much more than food from animals and pushing all the emissions onto the edible part and then comparing a kg of meat against a kg of grapes in an unfair comparison, any crop food that takes a season to grow should have less emissions than something more dense nutritionally.
Degrowth is the only option and no govt is going that way, how many would vote for a person who said they wanted less jobs.
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@BM1982.V2 Your opinion that grass is disingenuous is in my opinion incorrect and you seem to be missing the point of it, that we get something in return for doing nothing basically.
As most grass is from non arable land meaning it can't be farmed you can see the difference in inputs that are needed. Sayings 86% of their diet is from stuff we can't eat and then having to grow something on land that isn't possible is of course the wrong way to look at things, environmentally.
As far as soy, 6% whole bean goes to humans,7% to all animals, cows the least amount as it goes towards other animals more, half the worlds fish is raised fish, actually figures aren't taking into account wild caught fish but that's another story, 87% is processed into oil of which animals take 1% so we are back to the 82% is used for humans. Palm or Soy oil is in everything these days.
The rest of your figures then become meaningless, the point though is it's not just diet, half the animal is used for more than food, saying we can grow what needs replacing when we don't put a lot of inputs in now means we would have to put in sprays of all sorts, fertiliser, irrigation and where I am half the land is grazing land, that doesn't get sprayed, get's irrigated from weather and gets naturally fertilised, if looking at it as energy returned, we get a massive amount back.
We grow far more tonnage of crops for humans, all this waste could be composted but it then would still emit to the atmosphere, we currently pass it through animals and blame them, unfairly I think.
Saying disingenuous, doesn't make it so just because you remove 86% of their diet that isn't edible to us, that's not the point, the point is they can digest it.
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One main issue is people don't understand money, or the debt system we live under. Money is created when loans are taken out and then that money does not exist anymore when paid back, the profit exists but the loan amount doesn't so money doesn't build up and taxes don't pay for anything, they are a siphon to what is coming in. Unless there are more people taking out loans then no new money is being created by the general population only through govt borrowing, and that is where the problem comes from, when the people at the top are the ones employing or creating money we all are pushed into a system of needing this money to exist and no govt wants a reduction in consumption to the levels needed for real change because that would devalue the currency. It's a difficult place for them to be, have no chance of responding appropriately. The govt needs us all to need money otherwise they don't exist and it is all about control of our lives and energy. Govts take at least half our life's efforts and we are kept in the dark as much as possible so we continue plodding along with the same system.
There needs to be system change and that is the last thing "they" want. De-growth is happening though, a 400% population growth in the last 80 years and 40 in the next is going to mean growth as we have known it is over, so the question is, what next because unless we lower our consumption ourselves, they will never promote it.
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Money and debt can't go without one another, all money is created from debt. As soon as debt is created so is money. I've heard as soon as all debt is paid off then there would be zero money. Central banks, which pay profits to govts, have a minimal cost, roughly 14 cents to make a 100 dollar bill, which then has to be paid back with "real" money. I say real money because you've spent hours of your life for it to go back into the bank. The life cycle of money is leaving the central bank and ending in a commercial bank after you've been paid which then gets lent out again at 90% of your deposits, while it profits them and the govt the whole way through. These one's and zero's are what we revolve our lives around, that we spend our life account to accumulate, other people's debt, while the banks and govts earn twice as much, at least, of the loan value with minimal cost's. They also want us to pay for services, taxes, fees after this, but that's another story.
Wanting people to have more money, while I know you were being sarcastic, is then wanting more debt to be entered into the system, we spend our lives paying off these debts with zero direction just more slavery thinking we are free, banks and govts take so much of our lives, it's a shame we don't get taught the monetary system better, money is people's lives effort, we waste it massively.
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636 kilowatts in a tank of diesel, around 4 months of my electrical energy.
We don't pay the external costs of the fuels we use, we completely ignore them and this might not be the case in the future.
A cord of wood has around 2.5 years of my electrical use at 8kwh a day, if you do have a home that is owned they can be much cheaper energy wise than rv living but I get it, I've done van living before.
As far as the video is concerned, We live in a belief system, we have to be able to believe in something other than work slavery where we think we are free because we can choose the colour of our car. Our weekends only exist because of our jobs, our holidays, what we believe is correct and incorrect, what is worthy for our time debt to be spent on, profit instead of value.
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@BM1982.V2 You maybe don't understand the word you are using.
I'm in Australia, half the land is used for grazing, we as I have said don't do anything to it, it is classed as non arable because nothing else can be farmed there, without irrigation, fertiliser, able to be ploughed, I am from NZ where we have a lot of hills, the point is the land that is classed as non arable means it can only be used for grazing. Saying something is disingenuous doesn't make it so. The amount of land does not matter as it won't be coming back to the cropping side, could something be farmed with a lost of cost inputs? Sure, but that doesn't make it arable andnot all land that animals are on is non arable, dairy for example, but the point with that is no crop will give what we get from them for the same amount of land, so a net loss. Saying 2.5 or more land used is an incorrect way of looking at it.
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@mobilityproject3485 Have a look around any room and see how much is oil based, every bit of plastic, asphalt, paint, medicines, synthetic rubber, carpet, clothes, are oil based. Without oil the mining doesn't get done, food doesn't get farmed/ delivered and life will forever change. Careers, holidays, clothes, what we eat, I think half the nitrogen in the world is from synthetic fertilisers made from gas/oil so yeah our lives definitely revolve around this product.
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@mobilityproject3485 Every bit of plastic, asphalt, paint, medicines, synthetic rubber, carpet, clothes, are oil based. Without oil the mining doesn't get done, food doesn't get farmed/ delivered and life will forever change. Careers, holidays, clothes, what we eat, I think half the nitrogen in the world is from synthetic fertilisers made from gas/oil.
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