Comments by "afcgeo" (@afcgeo882) on "CarGurus"
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Not safe? How is it not safe? The GC is perfectly safe. It may not be IIHS "Top Pick", but it's still very safe. The NHTSA rated it 5 stars. The don't even compare the two classes against each other and have odd tests that have always been called out by owners, manufacturers and the government. For example, to get the "IIHS Top Pick", a car must have automatic braking (front crash prevention). Your Compass trim may not even have that feature, so it wouldn't actually make "Top Pick" anyway. The GC is taller, so the center of gravity is higher, so you can't drive like a maniac or you'll flip over. That's the case with any tall vehicle. It has all the crumple zones and air bags a car can handle. The IIHS rated it "Marginal" and "Poor" on its controversial "Small Overlap Front" test, even though it then commented that the likelihood of serious injury of those passengers is low. The Small Overlap tests primarily the A pillar and the area below it, and is an unlikely type of a collision. Even the 2018 Toyota Rav-4 performed "Poor" on that test. The Grand Cherokee has the latest (for 2017) active safety gadgets. It also has a very reliable RWD system, a reliable engine and a resale value you'll NEVER get on a Compass. If you think you'll have a baby soon, you'll really appreciate the rear seat space for the rear-facing child seat. The Compass doesn't really have enough space back there for the front passenger to still sit comfortably. I would definitely go with the used GC.
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@TruthHasSpoken Right... my issue is that no one should praise a car on its ability to satisfy the lowest common denominator and nothing more. The truth is, lots of people simply don't have empty highways with 1/4 mile on-ramps, perfect traction and empty roads to drive on. Subarus aren't made for that anyway. Most Subarus are sold in New England and Colorado where they drive at high altitudes (where naturally aspirated engines are even weaker), the roads are old, narrow, twisty and full of traffic moving at high rate of speed, even in poor traction conditions. This is what Subaru has always excelled at. These conditions. It isn't popular in Arizona or Florida or California. It's isn't made for those places. To be honest, there are far better cars for those areas. This car needs more power to successfully navigate the conditions I just mentioned. So far, according to your experience, it's fine for the lowest common denominator, but let's face it, so is everything else.
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@michaelcharnley-heaton4063 Oh wow... the Compass is MUCH cheaper in the States and the Stelvio is a bit more expensive. The Compass, with the manual transmission, FWD starts at $21,845 and the very top trim (High Altitude) AWD, 2.4 petrol, with every imaginable option, including panoramic sunroof, sat nav and all safety gadgets and an electric boot door tops out at $34,860, but you can likely get up to $5,000 off at the dealer. The Alfa starts at $42,590 for a RWD with only a choice of white or red colours and that's it. So for similarly equipped cars, I could pay $30k for the Jeep or about $48k for the Alfa. As such, they're not actually comparable here, at all.
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@kurtratzlaff8732 neither has a 4x4 system, actually. They are all All Wheel Drive. The Train Rated Compass has more ground clearance, underside body protection, heavier shocks that allow for more articulation, Active Drive Low system that includes a 20:1 crawl ratio, Hill Descent Control, high air intakes and extra water sealing for water fording, and better approach, departure and breakover angles. Yes, Jeep is actually fooling people into thinking that all of their systems are 4x4 because legally there is no distinction, but mechanically there is and uninformed buyers can fall victim to assumptions. Yes, in my mind that's false advertisement, but you won't be able to sue them for it because again, there is no distinction, legally, between AWD, 4WD or 4x4. If all 4 wheels receive torque at some point, any of the monikers are legal to be used. Meanwhile, the only Jeep vehicle that comes with an actual 4x4 system is the Wrangler. The rest get different kinds of AWD systems. https://www.autoevolution.com/news/jeep-s-awd-and-4wd-systems-explained-106633.html
https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/a24663372/all-wheel-drive-four-wheel-drive-differences-explained/
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Norm T none of the models sold as many as Honda sold CR-Vs, that’s considering that GM sold most of them to rental car fleets. They sold so many Equinoxes to fleets that for 2019 the offered a fleet-only package. https://www.automotive-fleet.com/313773/2019-chevrolet-equinox-offers-fleet-only-options
You’re trying to say that together, the Equinox, Terrain and Envision outsell the CR-V, but separately, none of them have, EVER. They’ve never outsold the RAV4 either. While the three have common underpinnings, they are sold separately, styled differently, packaged differently, priced and marketed differently as well. For all intents and purposes, they are different cars from different brands and must be compared separately.
Meanwhile, Honda only sells to ZipCar, which amounts to just a few hundred CR-Vs a year. They sell to no other corporate or municipal fleets. It’s their corporate strategic view and well publicized.
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