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Actually Darlan's order was Gensoul could sail to the U.S. if an enemy fleet tries to seize or attack them. Meaning that they are not limited to just Germany or Italy
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The French fleet would have clearly broken the armistice by joining the Allies
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No, do you honestly think that Cattaneo had a chance of winning against 3 Battleships with only 2 Heavy Cruisers?
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@aleide2980 There are two options in the ultimatum that gives the French fleet the option to relocate and demilitarize their ships, there was an option for the French fleet to go to the U.S. be demilitarized and the ships would stay there for the duration of the war, another option was to go to a friendly African Port again be demilitarized and the ships again would stay for the duration of the war. There was no time left for the British, French reinforcements were coming they had to make a decision quickly
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How is that immoral? The British are literally trying to get an enemy vessel from hiding on a neutral port or are you suggesting they just let the Germans go just because you want to play fair?
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Graf Spee despite being more powerful than any of Harwoood's cruisers, only heavily damaged HMS Exeter and in turn got her fuel purification plant destroyed making her unable to return home and subsequently defeated. And do keep in mind, all the merchant ships that were lost were still cheaper than losing the Graf Spee
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Imagine being Italy and getting shit on by everyone even your own ally
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Maybe look in a dictionary next time, in the title in Specifically says "A Fleet", a fleet means a group of ships sailing together and let me tell you, A Navy has multiple fleets. So what he's saying is the British crippled an Italian fleet but not it's entirety
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Scuttling your capital ships so the other smaller ships could escape is very dumb, that's like setting yourself on fire to let the others stay warm
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It's British pronunciation and it's still correct
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I mean he got 1,300 of his men killed, so yeah pretty much his fault
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There's nothing stopping the Royal to match these ships aswell so in the long run they'd still lose
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It could have been avoided if Gensoul wasn't that much of an idiot
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In no reality where the Kriegsmarine could've won, Britain will always be ahead of Germany in terms of ship count and ship building capacity, dockyards, Men, Slipways, and so on and so forth. There so called "Plan Z" is nothing more than a fantasy, even their U-boats will eventually fail
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Arguably the Littorio-class was superior to the Bismarck-class
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They didn't whatsoever, all of their surface ships were obliterated by the Royal Navy's own ships, even Tirpitz being stationed in Norway couldn't do anything significant, out of 78 Artic Convoys to Russia, only 2 were heavily damaged. Building more U-boats is still not going to work either
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As far as I know Churchill wasn't the one who planned this catastrophe
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Wow, the power of hindsight is quite nice eh? Now tell me who did more? A country who fought and bled on 2 world wars or you sitting at the comfort of your home with no imminent wars to worry about and typing baseless criticism on things that already happened?
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It's the Italians what do you expect?
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And yet the British won
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If that time ever comes where Churchill would considered as an"incompetent asshole", you won't be alive to see or hear it. So good luck to you with that fantasy of yours
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@looinrims No, you do realize that Churchill wasn't even the Prime Minister when Norway got invaded by Germany that person was Neville Chamberlain the same person that delusionally thought he could negotiate with Hitler to stop the war.
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In the long run building more U-boats will still not change anything More subs would have meant more trained crews being necessary - By 1942, Germany was facing a shortage of manpower. Given its insane racial laws and Hitler's inability to view the navy as a crucial part of a combined arms strategy, it's impossible to see from where the Kreigsmarine would have (or could have) recruited new submariners. More subs would have necessitated more ship service and support personnel - As with submarine crews, the existing manpower shortage would have played hell with the support staffing necessary to maintain the additional submarines. This may have resulted in more subs in drydock, as there wouldn't be enough people to fix them. Raw materials - Submarines require an extensive amount of raw materials from steel to petroleum to operate, to concrete to build submarine pens and piers. Germany’s lack of raw materials was one of the reasons it went to war in the first place. All needs had to be balanced and so the decision build additional submarines would have to come at the expense of airplanes, tanks, vehicles or even civilian items.
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@bultelpascal3819 At least the British doesn't get their own men killed
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@bultelpascal3819 You do realize Hood offered the same protection as a Queen Elizabeth-class Battleship? The only reason she died was because she was unmodernised.
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HMS Repulse is a Battlecruiser
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I mean it's technically true, something obsolete can still be useful
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Britain is still one of the most powerful navies in the world with multiple bases of operation outside their own
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Do you really think the U.K. can so called "Blitzkrieg" across the English Channel in time? France was not fully mobilized for attacking, they were more ready to defend than to attack
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Really? HMS Repulse was commissioned in 1916 and was extensively refitted in 1936, she had an anti-aircraft battery of 6 single 102mm AA guns and 2 quadruple 40mm AA guns. HMS Prince of Wales commissioned in 1941 with 16 5.25 inch dual purpose guns and 32 quadruple 40mm AA guns
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And that's only because of the stupidity of Beatty
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Ever heard of RESOURCES because that's what Italy is missing. Remember that Italy in WW2 wasn't even fully industrialized so they can battleships but have no knowledge on building Radar. And FYI Italy did develop radar albeit that WW2 was already over.
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Not much really
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@benlaskowski357 In the long run it wouldn't have changed anything More subs would have meant more trained crews being necessary - By 1942, Germany was facing a shortage of manpower. Given its insane racial laws and Hitler's inability to view the navy as a crucial part of a combined arms strategy, it's impossible to see from where the Kreigsmarine would have (or could have) recruited new submariners. More subs would have necessitated more ship service and support personnel - As with submarine crews, the existing manpower shortage would have played hell with the support staffing necessary to maintain the additional submarines. This may have resulted in more subs in drydock, as there wouldn't be enough people to fix them. Raw materials - Submarines require an extensive amount of raw materials from steel to petroleum to operate, to concrete to build submarine pens and piers. Germany’s lack of raw materials was one of the reasons it went to war in the first place. All needs had to be balanced and so the decision build additional submarines would have to come at the expense of airplanes, tanks, vehicles or even civilian items.
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The British literally gave them multiple options of peace yet Gensoul refused them all
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@trevorcoyle517 Again they were literally given multiple options of reasonable peace and if they refuse all the options of the Ultimatum then the British fleet will be forced to sink themselves. Gensoul's decision to refuse every single option and a dereliction of duty by not giving the High Command at Vichy France the full context of the Ultimatum had doomed 1300 of his men to die for no reason. Unlike what the Germans did, the British actually gave the French multiple choices for the peace of both their Fleets
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HMS Indomitable an aircraft carrier was supposed to accompany Force Z but ran aground before she was sent
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I mean every navy has great gunnery skills when the weather is clear as day
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No, even after the sinking of Prince of Wales and Repulse, Capital Ships of the Royal Navy still played a big part in victory of the European theater
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@aleide2980 Really? So I suppose the other countries didn't know what happened to Poland?
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There are several reasons that ruined it and Belgium is one of those reasons
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The British never claimed that specifically, also the Evacuation at Dunkirk was kinda lf a success, the ships were told to rescue less than a 100 thousand men and yet they were able to save more than 300 thousand, now you might say that the British just abandoned the French but let me tell you this, the only alternative to Dunkirk is the British Expeditionary Force to die along with the French, No country will waste lives if they could preserve them
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The only alternative at Dunkirk for the British is the annihilation of the BEF along with the French Forces. Would any sane country waste thousands of lives and equipment when they could save it? The British took the reasonable choice of preserving the relatively small amount of men they had left and even some of the French as well
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Soviet Navy have already been annihilated by the Germans and Soviet Airforce is taking care of the massive force of Germany. No backup is going to help the British
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Plate is an old British term for gold or silver. The name just stuck. That's why it's known as the Battle of the River Plate. The literal translation, Silver River, is hardly ever used in English.
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And yet the British were still ahead from everyone else
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@magnaviator Imperial Germany still couldn't match the numbers of the Grand Fleet. Of course economically they couldn't maintain them all but you don't really need 30 Dreadnoughts when your new main competitor being the U.S. had only 10 Dreadnoughts
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@magnaviator it was Imperial Germany that started WW1 by invading neutral Belgium so the Germans screwed themselves even without Britain. Economic powerhouse? Is that the reason why The British still outbuilding in terms of capital ships even when both countries were at war?
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Well if the carriers don't have their planes, then the results would most likely be the same. But then again who in their right minds sends a carrier into combat without it's planes
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@MrDiggityaus Well now that you mentioned it, it kinda sounded that he said arse
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