Comments by "L.W. Paradis" (@l.w.paradis2108) on "Jordan B Peterson"
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I used to dislike Peterson. After his recent bout with drug reactions and habituation, etc., I feel for him more than I did. This audience reaction for the most part reflects the fact that people do not read, and that they greatly reward self-serving discourses. The fact that they do more and more is a bad sign, not a sign of healthy self-criticism or resilience. That a Peterson can make millions on this spiel is a bad sign. I think that Peterson himself realizes it, and even worries about it at times.
He is one odd dude. Some combination of Jung and Nietzsche gets recycled every few decades in right-leaning Western societies, and Peterson caught the wave and really rode it this time. He also has had a lifelong obsession with Russia, another tell. Westerners get obsessed with various "mysterious, enigmatic" non-Western peoples on a regular basis, with Russia being a favorite of those who cannot relate as much to people of color. (So, Tibetan Buddhism won't work.) It's all so predictable.
He did do one good video, on creativity, at a major Canadian art museum. It wasn't political, and he was so much more honest and spontaneous in that one. It's the only one of his I've ever seen that I like.
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@RadiusG60 A good education was a leftist value. Under Mitterrand, French kids could start Ancient Greek in 5th grade, and complete two years of college-level Mathematics in high school. The Soviets gave medals for achievement in Mathematics and Physics, not just music or sports. Le Monde printed notices of births, deaths, marriages, and doctoral thesis defense, and the student who wrote the best philosophy essay for the baccalaureate was interviewed on all the major media outlets. Mélenchon wants to bring back more Latin and Greek. By comparison, DEI, LGBTQ, and all this stuff look like strategies to make a quick buck, divide everyone, and turn them away from what matters.
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@Richard_Potato Actually, no, that is not correct. The IQ measure, which you seem to assume is a measure of "intelligence," is actually highly correlated, and regarded as highly predictive, of formal educational attainment in the present system of secondary and higher education. What can happen and what usually happens are two different things. A person of normal intelligence may or may not have a high IQ, and may or may not attain a doctorate at Oxford. Whether we can nevertheless consider attaining a doctorate at Oxford, especially later in life out of pure intellectual desire, as a marker of a high IQ is beside the point you've made. It need not be such a marker -- no necessity there, as Bertrand Russell used to say. On the other hand, it almost always is.
Yeah. This took only a couple of minutes. Glad I could help.
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@Richard_Potato I'm sorry you did not understand my post, or what performance on an IQ test (or any other aptitude test) means, or pretty much anything else I said. I will not take the obvious jab at what that might mean about your "intelligence." That would be cheap, and of course incorrect. You are obviously flustered.
IQ tests do not measure "intelligence;" there is no test that can, for lots of reasons. IQ tests correlate very strongly with educational attainment in the present system, as it is commonly found in the West.
You really don't know what either you or I are arguing. That's kind of . . . funny. (You bring up drink. Is there a reason it came to mind?)
BTW, didn't you know that there have been some Nobel Prize winners in the hard sciences who had a rather ordinary performance on IQ tests, documented?
Even Roger Penrose was not considered gifted in math because he really took his time and did problems slowly when he was young. Already as a child, he understood that the right answer was more important than the fast answer. He already knew math was different from other things he was being taught. (You do know that IQ tests are timed, correct? Speed strongly influences score. See the preceding paragraph and make a conjecture as to why there are true geniuses in this world who did not perform well on IQ tests.)
And Russell is famous for making the distinction between necessary truths and contingent ones, and deepening our understanding of their ground, later using various pithy formulations when making the point in his talks.
In any case, a person's performance -- in writing books, in completing a doctorate at Oxford -- is evidence of their intelligence. There is no need for some test to "prove" what is already known with greater certainty by other, more reliable, means. These aptitude tests usually take a few hours, and only rarely may be administered over a number of days. What someone actually does with their life, over years and years, trumps whatever those tests might turn up.
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