Comments by "Tespri" (@Tespri) on "David Pakman Show" channel.

  1. She is having good time because she doesn't do her job. Her job is literally to be able to deal with emergencies and she was drunk during duty.
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  2.  @TheOfficialTarynTots  Yle, Iltalehti, iltasanomat, helsinginsanomat. Top 4 mainstream news sources in Finland. Definitely going going to scold them for blindly fanboy/girling someone who they actually don't know anything about. Our PM can be compared to Justin Trude who never had to deal with any consequences of his negative behavior such as blackface.
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  3. +Nathan Drake In fact it's objective truth that he got it all wrong. 1. Marx claimed that revolution would happen in capitalist countries. Which in fact it didn't. 2. Marx claimed that wages would get smaller and smaller. Which is opposite of the truth. 3. His claim that capital would flow into hands of fewer people. if that were truth then western countries wouldn't look the way they look now. It's objective fact that poverty rates world wide are all time low now. They never been this low in existence of this planet. We also have more millionaires than ever before. Yep his capital accumulation was refuted. It's objective fact that all capital produced by some family, will be lost by the third generation. This has been already studied and proven. Far leftie calling someone as dishonest... Dude... History books are filled with facts that socialist and communists are always schemers and never keep their promises. You're shitstain in mankind's history.
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  4.  @Rensoku611  He didn't lose credibility. David was misleading you and manipulating the data he showed. If you actually bothered to do some investigation yourself... You would know this.
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  5.  @danyalkazmi1400  I don't trust anyone. I do my own research. You're a moron if you trust any outlet blindly.
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  6. Prove that he has censored you. And what makes you think he got you suspended. This sounds like crazy talk.
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  7. Says only people who don't understand what marxism and capitalism is.
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  8. +Rob McCune There is no such thing as late stage capitalism. Literally every prediction Marx made went wrong.
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  9. +Fish Knuckle Panic? Nah, no idea why you even view it as panic. It simply happens that internet allows press freedom in levels that exists no where else. In matter of fact, you see people's true opinions and news online instead of some corrupted mainstream news outlet. This is why it's called as intellectual dark web. Because it's not part of the mainstream source. It's the source that actually has biggest influence.
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  10. +Revolutionary marxist leninist pingu All of his predictions went wrong. LITERALLY ALL OF THEM. If capital would be centralized into fewer and fewer hands. In that case we would have less millionares now, instead of having more of them than ever before. Not only that but we live in era where we have less people in extreme poverty than ever in human history. All of these achievements would be impossible if Marx were right. GDP has been debunked, it's bad way to measure buying power. As it was very high during world wars, but we all know that life during world war was far from luxury. Also number of wage is irrelevant. What you can have with it is more relevant. So what can someone with minimum wage in USA get for example? Computers, phones, drink weekly, apartment where to live, food and other smaller luxuries. It's more than kings during marx's time could have. Computer's and phones alone are the level of luxury that people of the past would've killed for. Also wages are all time high historically now than ever before. For example in nordic countries there are no minimum wage laws, yet they have one of the the highest wages on this planet. Corporate imperialism? Lol what? Not even close. You claim these things are facts, but in truth it shows that you haven't even looked into statistics. It's objective fact that world is in better shape than it ever was.
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  11. +Roy Long " can easily prove that you're ignorant with a small brain. " Hilarious part of this comment is that it's scientifically proven that brain size doesn't determine one's intelligence. "Milton Friedman actually went to a public school" I'm well aware of. "and supported basic income. " He did not. He only supported basic income as method to get slowly away from welfare. You know, because he wasn't heartless and knew that simply taking welfare away fast would hurt the poor. Hence he made suggestion which allowed slow transition. Also he argued in his very own documentary that welfare is a trap. Don't confuse basic income to welfare. Watch free to choose documentary. "Welfare didn't just happen because of lazy people." I never made such claim. Welfare however encourages people to be lazy. " It was created during the Great Depression under Franklin Roosevelt when the unemployment rate was about 25% in the 1930s" Irrelevant to any point in here. In fact it sounds like that you simply try to fill some irrelevant information in attempt to appear as someone who knows his stuff. Also common debate tactics from those who aren't intellectually capable to be honest. "Welfare doesn't have to create dependency if there a better incentive for people to work." How are you incentivized to work when you gain everything you need without working and you're punished if you work? You are dependant on government officials when you're on welfare. You have no freedom whatsoever. Seems like you're one of those middle-class kids who never actually suffered from poverty. " Another reason it became a blue state was due to his disastrous tax policy. " Cutting taxes proved to actually save USA from big depression. "In the 1980s, the US national debt was about $900 billion. By the time Reagan left the White House, the national debt went up about $3 trillion after 8 years, tripled in size! " Another idiocy from socialists who don't actually look in to details. It was cold war. Regan did increase spending in millitary in order to fight of communism. Not only that but it is proven that recession would've arrived. The fact is that thanks to reagan the issue wasn't so bad. Also talk about increase in debt... Let's totally forget how much debt was increased thanks to Obama. Oh and... Reagan has literally nothing to do with the subject. "! Many people in California realized this Republican's tax cut led to a huge debt for the country. " Tax cuts don't lead to debt of the country. Increase in spending does. You need to be special kind of idiot for not realizing this. "So you can't let the Republicans run the state" Meanwhile Chicago is becoming ghost city. Runned by crime etc... Dude... Blue states are thriving in trouble and democrats have single handedly even destroyed one of their state. Detroit is great example. "Yep, now you know the racist people in the Democratic party left the party." Hillary is still there. Also no they haven't. They simply changed their plan. Now instead of trying to turn blacks into slaves, they try to turn them into slave voters who are dependent on welfare. "No, you fucking moron. Martin Luther King, Jr. was not a Republican." Party swap is a myth. Anyway facts are clear. Commies like you should just go to north korea.
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  12. +Javier navarro He made as strawman. He claimed that I said that Milton friedman is most influential economists of all time. He totally ignored when I stated and I quote "Milton Friedman (nobel winner) did explain it pretty well. " "Even world renown economist Milton Friedman pointed it out." " But want to hear libertarian predictions that came true? Milton friedman. Nobel price winner and most renowned economist of last century. He was able to predict precisely all the current EU problems caused by EURO currency. " I tend to forget that I had said to ´Roy that milton is nobel winner. However as you can see... Literally nowhere I had stated anything about Milton friedman being related to what Roy long said. Aka "You claimed that Milton Friedman was the most influential economist. But when I fact checked your ridiculous comment, it came from your opinion. The truth is, Adam Smith was the most influential economist in the world. " Nothing in my previous comments were about any of that. Roy is incapable to be honest. He is more obsessed over winning than knowing what is right.
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  13. True, but there is more to this than just that. She actually has history of corruption and breaking her own rules (rules for thee but not for me). Not just that but in Finland this is currently a scandal because she was drunk during her duty. Aka she isn't doing her job. Finland is right now in highly dangerous period of time and our PM is getting wasted during her duty hours.
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  14. +Anarchist kitten "It actually does," no it doesn't. That is like you say that it's good idea to walk in highly radiated zone simply because it doesn't kill you on spot. "authoritarian socialist societies where the state owned the MOP need at least 10 years to show improvement, and even then that's not much, it's just lowering a bit of unemployment and poverty." It's easy to remove unemployment. It's different to employ people to jobs that actually are meaningful. Poverty? Capitalist countries have historically taken more people out from poverty than any other system. Okay since you're an idiot let me explain this. LITERALLY EVERY INSTITUTION in mankinds history has been corrupted over time. It's impossible to prevent it from happening. So you have following problems with socialist system. 1. Highly centralized government. This means that it's easy to abuse it and use it for personal gain. 2. You cannot trust politicians words, therefore you cannot make good judge on who to vote and who not to. 3. Politicians aren't super genius angels. Controlling economy is like trying to control ecology of rain forest. You simply don't have enough brain capability and knowledge to decide how it should be regulated and controlled. 4. Problem of corruption (socialist countries are historically most corrupted countries on the planet). So when combined these factors. You will have some nice show. Even if at start you happened to get good politicians by luck. There is no guarantee that their replacements will be like that. Sociopaths, psychopaths and other manipulates are excellent in gaining people's votes and creating connections. This means that over time, every decent politician will disappear and be replaced by sociopath who only cares about himself. He creates enough political influence to his party or to himself and then he can simply make a vote which guarantees him the power of dictator. This has happened before every time anyone tried socialism. Rojava, as a country is too young to show the true problems of socialism. For poverty. It's easy to steal wealth. This is what venezuela did. Until they run out of wealth to steal. It's actually pretty common, that in paper socialism looks nice at first few years. But after it, it's destructive reality will be show. You cannot hide reality forever. "and improved almost instantly after this change (though there was some early economic problems but they subsided)" No it didn't improve. And subsidies are proven to hurt economy in long term. "!That's only if it's authoritarian socialism" It's in all of them. Socialism is weak system supported by weak willed people. "ou can't apply the same problems to a radically different system like libertarian socialism" Libertarian socialism is contradiction. Only idiots who don't know what libertarianism is combine those two. It's like christian atheist. Makes no sense. Sure word exists, but it's simply word play. What you advocate is direct democracy. Which is highly weak to sudden changes. Changes in market, and war time. There isn't a single direct democratic country that has ever been able to resist either of those affects fast enough to survive. Also you still need state in order to enforce socialism. This is why marx, engel, lenin, stalin all were standing for big oppressive government. Because they knew that socialism will never work unless they kill, brainwash, turn into slaves and exile everyone who disagrees. They believed in "wither down" of the state. Which would only happen when everyone who disagrees is gone. "Care to elaborate? If you're talking about authoritarian socialism then no need I already know" No difference in the end of the day. Direct democracy is actually fastest way to achieve dictatorship. "Did you know that cooperatives (enterprises that are collectively owned and self-managed by its workers) are more productive and effective way of organizing?" Yet not a single world biggest companies are made out of them. "Worker co-operatives are larger than conventional businesses and not necessarily less capital intensive " Aka less effective. "Worker co-operatives survive at least as long as other businesses and have more stable employment" Depends on industry they are in. Also stable employment isn't necessarily good thing. Being a slave was pretty stable employment don't you think? "Worker cooperatives are more productive than conventional businesses, with staff working “better and smarter” and production organised more efficiently" That is like saying that army without general and officers is better at making war than army with them.... Also you failed to provide any evidence that they are more productive. "Worker co-operatives retain a larger share of their profits than other business models" If you make programming company. Profits are always larger than costs. "Executive and non-executive pay differentials are much narrower in worker co-operatives than other firms" So why would anyone with talent and knowledge to become executive to join your shitty company?
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  15. 1. She called corona as just a flu. 2. She went to parties in past while carrying during lockdowns. 3. She left her workphone back at home... you know the very important phone for someone who needs to be in touch 24/7 with her work. 4. She and her husband took advantage of her title for financial gains (corruption) 5. She got drunk during her duty hours. 6. She cheated her husband in public with several different guys same time. In Finland PM's have been forced to retire for less than this.
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  16.  @octavianpopescu4776  Yeah this is the common problem with her. She treats the title of prime minister as something similar regards as being a rock star. Instead of being serious about taking care of the people in Finland, she just seems to chase similar attention as people like Paris Hilton for example. Aka she cares more about being famous and being on the papers than the actual job she has.
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  17. Well I guess finnish government has been lying to me all this time. Strange why would someone lie about Finland being part of scandinavia...
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  18. +Liam Norconk It wouldn't even work with unions. That would be simply act of sleight of hand. The same problem still exists, which is concentration of power. We all saw what happened to unions under soviet. They became puppet of the government. Anarchist socialist are oxymoron. They need government/state to enforce their rule on everyone else. I have checked bad mouse's videos in the past and I never really liked him. He has the sort of crazy eyes. Like the one that cultists generally have. That and him being generally dishonest. Only type of socialists I'm fine with, are the ones who leave every else alone and live their own life according to socialist values. Same thing with communists. You know... The communists who actually create small commune and go and live in there. Or socialist who create company where every worker has equal share of ownership of it. Those are the type of socialist and communists who actually seek peaceful solution. Because they recognize that they have no right to force other people to live according to their world view, so they just find like minded people and live like that with them instead.
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  19. +TommySleeze If socialist had concept of history or economics... Then they wouldn't be socialists.
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  20. Rob McCune I would pick cyanide. Why? Well potatoes and tomatoes already have small amounts of them. ;)
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  21. +bbob70 Well Jesus doesn't really contradict old laws. He came to fulfill them. Basically old laws still exists but there will be no punishment for you as long as you believe in him. However at least in Christianity you have the excuse not to follow the law. While in Islam if you don't follow you will die. Either the case. Only a fucking idiot would quote bible here. Simply because two wrongs doesn't make one good. Yes, mark and babylon. Both of you are idiots.
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  22. +Babylonthegreat "Are you smoking crack? I said, quite plainly, that Judaism gave birth to Christianity and Islam and that ALL THREE of those religions are equally fucked up. ALL of them are WRONG and NONE of them are GOOD! Got it now?" Clearly you weren't capable of figuring out... Really how stupid can you be? "ALL of them are WRONG and NONE of them are GOOD! Got it now?" Then stop defending one of them and finally realize that calling them all bad doesn't make Islam immune to criticism or that it can't be worse than them. "The old testament is still quite relevant all by it's lonesome... midrashes aside. Just ask any Hasidic, Heredi or faithful, practicing orthodox Jew." This part of alone says that you weren't simply stating that they came from same source. But that source is still relevant. While you ignore totally the sermon of the mountain.
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  23. +ChristianIce ACtually not every religion say that killing is floor. Some in fact even encourage it. "but that didn't stop even buddhist from killing 18.000 Jains for disrespecting Buddha." Neither did that stop people from killing Aristocrats in French revolution. People kill for their ideas, that doesn't mean that the idea itself promotes killing. Edit: Also new testament does kind of override old one. IT states that you no longer need to pay for your sins as long as you believe in Jesus.. Just saying...
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  24. +ChristianIce Your reply to me makes no sense. When it comes to the christianity you only follow what Jesus has said. When it comes to the Islam you follow muhammed. In Christianity Jesus is the highest arbiter what is right and wrong. If he says that old laws are meaningless as long as you believe in him, then they are. It's not cherry picking. While in Islam killing is encouraged heavily. In fact in case you didn't realize Islam happens to also be political movement instead of simply being just religion. Movement formed by a fucking warlord. The very rules in there clearly says that everyone who disagrees with them should be killed. You cannot find a passage from new testament which supports killing as much as ISlam does. There is a reason why fundamentalists Muslims are violent, and if you could even comprehend what word FUNDAMENTAL means you would get the point.
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  25. +ChristianIce "According to you." Is that all you can do? Now you're just poor troll. Real intelectual person would have made himself more clear. "LOL, no. There is this guy called "god" (you may have heard about him) and what he says kinda matter too...or at least, it should, if you believe it exists." You do realize that Jesus is basically that same god if you actually bother to fucking read the book. He is pretty much his own alter ego and the one who will have all the power in the "kingdom of heaven". This is basic stuff how the fuck you don't even know this? Even if you're a troll you're still retarded one.
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  26. +ChristianIce "Christianity is divided in 27.000 denominations that interpret the bible in a different way, not to mention that every single christian has also his personal layer of interpretation." And you know what is the common feature with them? You know why they are still considered as christians? Because THEY ALL FOLLOW JESUS. Simple as that. Having personal interpretation doesn't change what the book itself says. You can have personal interpretation of teletubbies telling you to go and kill people but that doesn't mean that it actually tells you to do it. However when it comes to Islam there is no room for this. It says very cut and dry... that you need to kill certain people. As I stated before it's not only a religion but also a political ideology. It's also a system to build your government around.
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  27. +Snackalackin' Not only that he fails to understand that simply being same origin of religion doesn't mean that God has the same characteristic in it. Yes both gods are blood thirsty assholes. However another one stopped demanding blood times ago, and instead demands worship.
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  28. +ChristianIce "Interpretations." No it's not. It's literally said in the bible that Jesus came to fullfill the old laws. He didn't come to abolish them but to fullfill them. If you knew anything about Abrahamic religions you would know that when you commit a sin you must pay it. Usually via blood sacrifice. Jesus in christianity is the ultimate sacrifice. That is why you don't need to pay your sins anymore as long as you accept that Jesus was sacrifice for you. This is the very basic tenet and there is literally no form of christianity which would claim that Jesus didn't die for our sins. That is why in Christianity you don't need to follow old laws anymore. "According to Bush, god is still demanding wars." Bush was an idiot, not skeptic nor was he religious scholar. He used that to rile up religious people who know as little as you do. Just like people have done violence in name of pretty much everything, including free speech. That doesn't mean that ideology promotes violence. I'm sorry but your level or arguments and trolling is just so bad that I'm forced to come into conclusion that your IQ is below the average.
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  29. +ChristianIce "HAhahaha, good. According to you, christians don't have to follow the 10 commandments anymore. Way to go!" That is correct. You don't need to follow them. Read rest of that part you quoted. People who break those rules will only be called as "least" in the heaven. But they still get to the heaven. They just aren't considered as most elite believers. "Look at what point of idiocy you are moving your arguments in the attempt of justifying your "Islam is worse, man, it is". LOL." Says guy who literally is ignoring the next paragraph. "Yes, I do, it's called history." You clearly haven't read it in that case. Dark ages wasn't caused by christianity but because of collapse of rome. Christianity did hinder scientific progress that is true. But same applies to Islam too. However in Buddhism there isn't any hindrance to scientific progress. Since buddhism is more like a life philosophy than actual religion. Crusades? Well if you actually did read history then you would know that crusades are backslash toward Islam which was aggressively conquesting Christian countries. Islam which founder was a warlord and advocate of war. Compared to Jesus who advocated act of pacifism. Maybe you should educate yourself. Since you clearly need it.
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  30. +ChristianIce Never said that Christianity rules. Is misrepresentation only thing you're capable of doing? Is intellectual honesty too much asked from you? I don't need to be christian nor like christians in order to see that Islam is far more dangerous religion than Christianity. OH and just go check all the people I have been subscribed and videos I have favorited along the years. You will see A lot of stuff that speaks against Christianity.
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  31. +ChristianIce "Well, you are the first atheist that doesn't see a link between the dark ages, the crusades and christianity" Then I'm first educated atheists that you see. Read the fucking history books. Crusades were merely response to Islamic aggression, and that dark age was caused by fall of Rome. If you disagree then provide some actual points instead of pathetic attempts to attack my character. " "christianity says that everybody is forgiven and everybody is going in heaven"...that is so ridiculous that not even christians dare to say such an idiocy." Okay now you're just outright retarded. Every christian believes that EVERYONE WHO BELIEVES IN JESUS goes to heaven. That is literally only condition you need to get in heaven. Even catholics do the "sin confession" in order to get to heaven. Where they confess their sins in order to get forgiven by god. "Either you are a christian or an atheist, you still are a christian apologist to me." Nothing I have ever said even implies that I'm defending Christianity. I'm all for you mocking it, however it's different to say that Islam is exactly the as bad as christianity. As proven you are unable to be intellectually honest person. Instead of addressing arguments you try to attack my character. You literally sound like pro-muslim apologist. "How am I pro-Muslim? When did I defend Islam? Can you read properly?" Same way as you think that I'm pro christian. Can you read properly?
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  32. +ChristianIce "Let's put it to a test. Christianity sucks as much as Islam. Do you agree? Yes or No?" How is that a test? "So we'll see who's the atheist and who's the apologist, here." How does that make me apologists for thinking that some religions can be worse than others? You have no logic at all. Both of them suck, however Islam sucks more. Simple as that. Just like buddhism sucks the least out of all religions.
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  33. +ChristianIce I did answer learn to fucking read.
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  34. +ChristianIce "So, your answer is no, you are just afraid to put it at the beginning of the sentence, whatever." I just happen to know what game you're playing. You're trying to say that person has to be apologists if he thinks that they aren't equally bad. "I won't waste my time looking word by word which one is more disgusting, because they reached the level of "complete disgust"." That doesn't make them equally bad simply because they have reached your subjective view of level of complete disgust. Any person who views stuff from objective view would say that other one is clearly worse. "So, you really think that makes me an "apologist"? " As much as you think that I'm Christian apologists simply for thinking that Islam is worse, even though I have stated multiple times that I'm not Christian and I have been enjoying a lot Christian bashing content during my stay on youtube. And that was the fellows point who you decided to block. He pointed out that you fail to self-reflect your own reasoning back at yourself. You failed to be objective person, instead you behave like a little kid. Edit: Also unlike christianity Islam is actually encouraging Genocide. Just saying... People have done Genocide in names of pretty much everything. That doesn't mean that the ideology itself supports genocide.
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  35. +ChristianIce He told you that you are muslim apologists right after that you told that I'm christian apologists. He used exact same reasoning as you did on me. You're literally ignoring everything said to you and refuse to acknowledge position people hold in here. "I can't stand that level of idiocy, the kid is gone, he's too stupid to talk with." No you were too stupid to get his point. He was pointing out that by same ground you accuse me of being apologists you could be also considered to be one. "vIf you want to have a civil discussion, I can explain you rationally and logically why christianity is as bad as Islam." I have multiple times. Not my fault that you decide to ignore it. In fact OP himself already provided pretty good evidence of how fucked up religion it's. "If you want to turn this in a "name-calling" competition, we both can do something more productive" Funny because that is literally the only thing you have been providing here.
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  36. +Snackalackin' Yeah I know, I did already call him out of being a troll. And same time pointed out that he is also stupid one. What he fails to get is that he literally will never even make me frustrated. I'm simply laughing at his pathetic attempts to make comeback. Of course he doesn't realize this and thinks that he is a successful troll. Like most trolls their IQ is too low to realize that people think them as a complete clowns. I have literally never met a troll who actually has things going well in their lives. Just failed psychopaths who try to vent their shit on others over internet. But as you said, he cannot be reasoned in normal adult level. The fact that he blocked you is evidence of that.
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  37. +ChristianIce First of all Jesus sword talk is literally a metaphor. He explains it same time. His point is that people have to choose between him and their parents. Not about waging war. Read with context for fuck sake. "but, whatever, he's seen as "the ultimate forgiving guy"." Not really only an idiot like yourself would say that. He only forgives if you believe in him. Atheist like me will get a lot of shit regardless what I do in my life. "The first is that this allows the ultimate cherry-picking," First of all when compared Islam, that is far better option than no option for cherry picking. Yes, in Islam it's impossible to cherry pick. "yet picking any old testament passage when it's convenient...but, hey, I am still the good guy, because jesus!" Because christianity is based in the new testament not to old one. Old one is just background. What makes them different from the Jews is the what Jesus did and said. "The second is what you were talking about, and it's "forgiveness" Now, looks like you can do the fuck you want, but if you repent, it's ok." According to Christianity yes. I know that is fucked up but that is the case. "That bitch that won't release marriage licences. There you have "christianity"." ??? Who? Marriage licenses? What the fuck are you gibbering? "She can impose her will on others, just because it's her faith and her jesus is good, therefore whatever she thinks is automatically good." False, and you know it. She does bad, but she will be forgiven as long as she believes in Jesus. Being forgiven from something doesn't make behavior acceptable. Someone can forgive murderer of his parents but that doesn't mean that he think that murder is act of good. "It's evidence that there is nothing "better" in being a christian, there's just the excuse of jesus to behave the way you want." Rofl the opposite. Because the very fact that it's easy to cherry pick bible makes it better than Islam. That is the reason why scientific progress did start from the west after the medieval ages. In Islam the book literally goes against scholars and scientists, saying that they should be killed. While in Bible nothing like that is even implied. Of course church did what it did, but that doesn't mean that ideology itself supports it. Just like communism doesn't support killing, but yet lot of people got killed under it. The fact that people can choose to still behave without being total dicks makes it so that we can live in current progressive and secular countries. Name even one secular country where most people are muslims. You can't find any... simply because Islam doesn't leave room for debate. Hence they cannot be equally bad religions. Otherone at least allows reasonable people be reasonable.
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  38. +ChristianIce "Yeah, that count as much as a muslims saying "when Allah says that, it's a metaphor". I don't care. At any point anybody can say "my interpretation is right, yours is wrong". It's not math, it's just myths." Literal commandments is different from someone talking in metaphors of what is about to do. Muslims follow the example of Muhammed, and example he showed is made into a law. There is no metaphors in literal example of killing someone for simply disagreeing with you. "I believe in him! It's just a statement, anybody can speak words." And? "Yet, muslims are killing each other, so they already show that they can cherrypick enough." As I pointed out. They are only killing the ones BREAKING THE RULES OF ISLAM. For fuck sake... Are you really that dense that you couldn't even remember that reply? "The old testament is valid, they read a passage of it at any celebration, they can take it as valid whenever they want. " Again it's irrelevant what happened in old testament since Christianity is based on new one not to the old one. The new testament is what makes them different from Jews. Religion 101. There is a reason why Christians have very different culture than jews have. "Hood County Clerk Katie Lang. You can find that story anywhere." You expect European knowing some random story from USA? "That alone proves my point." No it doesn't. It doesn't make them equally fuck up simply for having some fucked up stuff. You're basically saying that child murdering rapists is as bad as someone who simply kills kids.
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  39. +ChristianIce "This idea of yours that christians only care about the new testament has no basis in reality." Claim which needs to be backed up. "The old testament is quoted daily at every christian celebration, it is literally part of the structure of a normal celebration." Again because old rules still exists. Those rules tells what god thinks is right and wrong. However you are forgiven breaking them if you believe in Jesus. edit: In the past you needed to perform sacrifices either with your life or with something of valuable in order to be forgiven by god. I have told this about 5 times by now and you still keep repeating yourself. By breaking those commandments you will be only called as "least" in kingdom of heaven. "Really, are you saying that you've never heard a christian argument based on the old testament only? Really?!?" When it concerns morality yes. And marriage is religious ceremony. The most fucked up thing in our societies is the fact that married couple get's privileges that couple that is not marriage will not get. Which is why it's a human right issue if gays can't get married. Unless same rights are given to normal registered relationships.
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  40. +ChristianIce I like how you ignore rest of my comment to only give some incident as evidence which literally means jack shit. First of all I meant with claim that needs to be backed up that my idea is that christians don't care about old testament at all. Which was a strawman from your part. Second I pointed out what makes christians different from jews is that they don't need to follow old testament. They can and some will and some might want to enforce rules from there. But that doesn't mean that they actually need to follow old testament anymore, unless they want to prove that they are god's best buddies ever.
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  41. +ChristianIce "All I'm saying is that christianity is as bad as Islam because you can use any shit from the old testament." Not even in that case if pure old testament would be the case. Since Islam actively promotes violent conquests. Something that old testament doesn't promote. Yes there are rules how to treat war slaves, but most wars were basically orders from the god. Aka what some crazy cult leader decides that "god" told him. But when it comes to this time and age where most people are reasonable enough to ignore crazy cult leaders, Islam becomes problematic. Because it doesn't need cult leaders in order to justify it's actions.
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  42. +Tespri Also to add, it makes it better because there is room for reason in Christianity. There is room for kindness. Because people can ignore the laws no matter how religious they are. While in Islam you cannot do that unless you want to get killed. And this is where we come to the part of muslims killing other muslims.
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  43. +ChristianIce Huh seems like you can't conduct honest discussion since you had to remove my comment.
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  44. +ChristianIce CAn false flag. Which is totally normal thing to do from people like you. I will copy paste this comment and post it again in case you decide to repeat same again. Now first of all your "aand, I guess were done" part proved that you have serious issues. You expect that people are no lifers like you and should respond immediately after your comment. Not only that you think that everyone lives in same time zone. Now to the actual points. OP here already provided good quotes of Quran which promotes killing others, for very petty reasons. And when it comes to Sam harris, he is actually disagreeing with you. "You must destroy all the nations the LORD your God hands over to you.  Show them no mercy and do not worship their gods. Deuteronomy" Now you know what is difference between this and Islam? In this quote YOU NEED COMMAND FROM GOD. PERMISSION FROM GOD. To destroy nation. Or what part of "your god hands over to you" you didn't get? Now in Islam it's encouraged to kill everyone who disagrees with you even without god telling you to kill. Your second quote is the same. Now to the another point, which you have purposefully ignored because you cannot conduct honest debate/discussion. Is that unlike in Islam christians can choose not to follow old testament, since they will still get to heaven. While In Islam you need to follow by the book or you will get killed and tortured in hell. "Again, it's 27000 denominations, and you can start a new one just by saying "I got some very special magic underwear that allows me to understand the bible better than you"." Mormon's aren't christians. and name even one denomination that doesn't believe that Jesus died for out sins.
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  45. +ChristianIce "That's hilarious, like there is actually a god and people will wait for him to actually say things. Well, at least you tried." If that is only thing you can say to attempt counter my points then you're standing on weak ice. Because in religions there tend to be certain figure heads which claim to be in contact with god or that they can read his demands. Story of Moses is good example of this. Get rekt nub.
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  46. +ChristianIce "You can, but you don't have to." choice that Islam doesn't provide. This alone makes Christianity less barbaric religion. "The fact that the bible has more contradictions doesn't make it a better book" It does when it gives good people chance to be good people, instead of forcing them to do disgusting deeds. "claim they follow the good jesus, and then use all the shit from the old testament to hate on gays, people of color, women." None of this actually has anything to do with laws of the bible. That hate is justified in the religion itself by pointing that those things are either immoral or just bad for reason X. However gay people can still be gay, it just another sin in eyes of god but they still get to heaven as long as they praise jebus, while fucking another guy. "If anything, the contradictory structure of the bible makes it worse, not better." Rofl... well for person like you who doesn't care about lives of others then maybe. "Name calling won't help your case." Says guy who have been name calling others. "Providing something brutal that the Quran allows and the bible doesn't, will." I Did. I said OP provided quotes. You failed to provide quote which tells exactly the same.
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  47. +ChristianIce Let me guess, pretend not to see message and try to false flag it again?
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  48. +ChristianIce Messages don't remove themselves. Hence I have all the reason to suspect you either ignoring them or removing them. "What part of OP did provide them you didn't get? Here let me show you. " When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. Quran 9:5 Those that make war against God and His apostle and spread disorder in the land shall be slain and crucified or have their hands and feet cut off on alternate sides, or be banished from the land. Quran 5.33 " "There you go. Next time factcheck your argument before presenting it." you do realize that concept of doing good is very subjective? Especially in religion. In eyes of Allah killing infidels is doing good. " ^ This is what I said. Literally nothing to do with link. Especially since the message is still right there. Which means that you're ignoring it.
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  49. +ChristianIce ""Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed." -Exodus 22.19 " Now could you say which of the phrases that matches perfectly? You do realize that sacrifices during that time were about animals and money? None of this implies that you should kill someone. "You just said that even the Quran can be interpreted, you just destroyed your own point." Nope, I never said that Quran can be interpreted. Now you're being simply dishonest without any shame. What is good in Islam is based on what their religion says is good. Not what you think is good. hence it has nothing to do with interpretation. Just like laws in a nation tells only what is crime in that nation, not what is universal crime. Too complicated for you?
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  50. +ChristianIce Rofl Sam harris agrees that ISlam is fucked up religion and it doesn't make me christian apologist for pointing out that Islam is far more dangerous. But it's clear that you were now defeated and you're running away. "You think the Quran is worse than the old testament?" PS: That is still a red herring, when question is that is Islam more fucked up than christianity. Especially since Old testament also happens to be part of Quran. Just saying.. you suck so badly at this. Shame that you lack honesty of admitting when you're wrong. Bye ;)
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