Comments by "Tespri" (@Tespri) on "David Pakman Show" channel.

  1. +ChristianIce "I just understand the difference between doctrines and people." And I understand that people tend to also follow doctrines if they believe that they are true. "The fact that muslims behave worse, generally, doesn't make Islam worse than christianity." The fact that their religion supports it without any contradiction makes it so. "You have to be a complete idiot to miss the difference." You have to be completely idiot for not realizing how violent tenets of a religion can make good person into suicide bomber. "The doctrine was the same when christians were the oppressors, the doctrine was the same during the dark ages, it's the same fucking book that is now." Actually no they weren't. Most christians weren't even capable of reading the bible and Church refused to translate books for the common people. The early christians were a lot different from christians in the dark/medieval age. This was due to the fact that Latin was actually spoken language and christians were capable of understanding the book. Only an idiot like you would totally ignore the fact. "everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman" Yet you failed to give one for the other quote. Here is some more: "Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard (ruthless) against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves."- Qur'an 48.29 "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." - Qur'an 9.29 "O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination." - Qur'an 9.73 That last one means that penalty for apostasy is DEATH. Now what is apostasy in christianity? "You've lost on all the grounds, so have the last comment on this, dear pigeon on the chessboard :D" Says guy who literally behaved like pigeon most of the time. Usually it's the person who is about to leave the discussion while claiming triumphant is the one who is acting like a pigeon ;) Now this matches you perfectly. You have been soundly defeated but you fail to acknowledge it. Instead you do pigeon stuff and try to run away. Edit: Also how the fuck you jump into conclusion that since old testament is also part of Islam, therefore it's all about repetition?
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  2. +ChristianIce But hey instead of wasting your time on trying to find quotes from old testament to match (totally pointless, even if you cannot find). You should be answering. Why the fuck old testament matters when were talking about which one is more harmful christianity or Islam. Because both for both of them Old testament is part of their religion, however only one of them offers chance to not be violent toward others. Golden question which you cannot ever answer. Well you could if you actually were a honest person but as we have noticed you aren't...
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  3. +ChristianIce "I consider the topic closed, I don't care if you don't agree on how and why the old testament allows being as a genocidal maniac as the Quran." Yes old testament, but not the new one. Only a fucking idiot would ignore new testament. In this case you would be this idiot. "Muslim fundies are a pain in the ass, they are the representation of how dangerous and violent a religion can allow you to be." That is how Islam is suppose to be. They don't represent extreme of that religion, they represent the base of it. Rest of your comment totally dodges the question. You're not telling how this makes Christianity as fucked up as Islam. you're simply telling your own personal motivation to ignore the facts. " I can support their narrative that "christianity is better", therefore empowering them with their christian nonsenses, and suffer the consequences." I don't see how you're empowering christianity by saying that both religions are fucked up, but at least Christians give breathing ground to rational people. Just check muslim countries. Atheist like as are literally against their laws and are getting killed there whenever found out. At least in Christianity where people think that their sins are forgiven regardless, hence they don't need to follow old testament. We can live and use our freedom of speech without getting killed. Hate it as much as you like, but without Christianity we wouldn't have secular governments. Think.
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  4. +ChristianIce No we didn't address. You literally provided nothing to counter it. I even asked you to name Christian group which claims that Jesus didn't die for their sins. Yet you named 0. Instead you went back and tried red herring with "common things with old testament and Quran". It's not running circles when I'm pointing out the point which you have failed to address and keep running from.
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  5. +ChristianIce "That was 30 september. No time to run in circles with you, sorry." And how does this negate the fact that THEY DON'T NEED TO, while MUSLIMS NEED TO. That itself makes christians far better religion, because it gives chance for people to give up on violence. You have failed to address this totally. Instead you start crying in your corner "but muh motivation is to avoid empowering christians by accident if I accept facts about differences that different religions have". xD
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  6. +ChristianIce Rofl, talk about being pigeon '"topic closed I won". It's just hilarious that you're not self aware at all. Might explain why you're such a coward and intellectually dishonest xD Bye :P
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  7. +Snackalackin' Yeah he has stated so many times "topic closed" "my last reply" etc. But as I said, he lacks self awareness.
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  8. +ChristianIce "Can't you see the number of comments we wrote?" That is relevant why? "Does it make sense to you to keep on writing the same things over and over?" It does make sense to force you to acknowledge the point which you have refused to counter while you try to dodge it. "It doesn't to me, deal with it." Not my fault that you're weak willed person.
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  9. +ChristianIce "someone insults me, now is my chance to run away from legit points" That's how you looked like 25 minutes ago. PS: there is no way he would be pissed of at you all the suddenly.
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  10. +ChristianIce "Does it make sense to you to keep on writing the same things over and over? It doesn't to me, deal with it. If you feel alone, read the old comments, it's ok" Says guy who still haven't answered to some points made previously. I'm not repeating myself. I'm merely trying to make you answer the points you have been trying to dodge. Now please provide any christian group which doesn't believe that Jesus forgives sins, and give evidence that dogma which forces people to kill others is better than dogma which gives people choice. You have failed to say anything to those points, instead you have been dodging it like plague.
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  11. ChristianIce OH you still keep defending Islam?
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  12. ChristianIce For being worst book? No there are books far worse than old testament. Twilight is good example of worse. That joke aside there really are literacies far worse. And don't forget, old testament is part of Islam.
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  13. ChristianIce  Yes and no, Quran does go into old testament in it's texts. What is your point? You're still trying to argue that christianity is worse than Islam?
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  14. ChristianIce Oh I forgot you mean that they are equally bad.
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  15. ChristianIce So you're still in denial that where jesus promoted pacifism and being a bitch, muhammed promoted violence and conquest?
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  16. ChristianIce Correct, christmas is actually pagan tradition.  The situation is bit reverse with muslims and christians. Muslims who take their religion seriously end up doing attrocities. Ones who don't give a shit don't. While christians seem to be 3 types of people. Ones who don't take it seriously, hence they ignore some of the terrible morals that god had. While some who acknowledge terrible things but don't know jack shit about the jesus part. Then third. Pacifists who throw their belongings away and become  basically monks. Closest one of "true" christian that I have met are jehovah witnesses. "Christians in Europe behave because secular people kicked their asses, they didn't "evolve spontaneously"." Christians behavior changed the moment when bible was translated for common people and making books became easier.
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  17. ChristianIce Nope, enlightenment had nothing to do with it. The people left catholic church and became protestants the moment they could actually read the book. Their views became drastically different at the time. Before this people had to believe what corrupted priesthood told them. It seems that you're not really familiar with Martin luther. Protestants haven't really changed after it. "You will find a line that teach you to kill the infidel, but you wanted to kill in the first place." Difference is that in christianity there is line that condemns the said action. While in Islam you can't find anything that would go against it. "Sure, they put kids there, read the Quran, and they will act accordingly. But you can tell young german kids how bad are the jews and get the same result." False equalization. Yes you can brainwash a person, but you can't say that Islam is like everything else. IT's religion that is highly violent one without any excuse. You're basically stating that we should just give time to ISlam and it will become like christianity today. But you're wrong, because Islam had as much time as christianity, it's just fundamentally different than it. There is no debate about the commands that mohammed gave. "..and that's what muslims do, btw. The Quran forbids to kill another muslim, it says it's the worst crime. So? Sunni say "Shia are not real muslims". Job done, 1 line." The thing is On muslims someone breaking the rules deserves to die according to them. And this doesn't match with your talk about jesus. You're taking in this case his words out of context and interpreting them on your own. BUT I REPEAT. IN ISLAM YOU CAN'T INTERCEPT ON YOUR OWN. Commands are cut and clear. Plus fight with sunni and shia is about who should be leader, they still follow the same rules. They only argue who should be the "pope" of Islam. 
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  18. ChristianIce "You know that the vast majority of christians in Europe are catholic, right?" The most secular countries you can find in europe, are protestants. Catholic church lost lot of it's power back then and the trend kept moving. It was one of the reasons why age of enlightenment was allowed to happen, instead of being snuffed out by inquisition. And only reason catholic church lost it's power. Because it no longer had monopoly over "truth". "Maybe islam will never progress, maybe it will, " This is what I meant. There isn't no such thing as religion progressing. Religions are static. When they progress they become new religion. Early christians are good example of how christianity was suppose to be. And that was when people could still read and understand the words in scriptures. "On the comparison on how strict the Quran is and how the bible is open to interpretation, I agree that if you take the Quran alone there's not much space for interpretation, but I remind you it was you, some comments ago, saying that the bible is valid for muslims too. So, you answered yourself, there." Old testament, not new testament. Jesus for muslims was totally different, and they comprehend him totally different. They say that jesus christians believe is a lie. So no, they don't take christian bible seriously on any level. You don't find a single muslim leader condemning words that mohammed himself have told. In fact mohammed is considered last prophet and only one who's words and examples should be followed. "and I also know for a fact that muslims can be secular." Only muslim who doesn't care about his religion, and has most likely born in west. Do you know what word ISlam and Muslim means? By definition one who is in Islam, can't be secular. "chances are they can find a way to not kill the infidels and stay muslims :)" You already forgot how they supported ISIS in syria? Or how they did commit genocide not long a go?
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  19. ChristianIce "Maybe muslims will never progress, maybe they will." Again it implies that it can progress, which religions don't. In case of christianity it was simply people actually able to read the scripture instead of blind trust in a priest. "You don't find  a single christian leader condemning words that Yahweh have told, and Jesus is Yahweh according to christians." Not all christians think him as yahweh, and again they don't condemn, they don't need. The purpose of Jesus was to make jews change their way. You understand what old testament means? Then guess what new testament is. It's basically new covenant between god and men. "Yeah, that goes for all abrahamic religions." No it doesn't, as I already said, christian who cares about his religion is pacifists. "Turkish metalheads present at my concert (that are the muslims I was talking about) didn't and don't support ISIS." What makes you think that metal music is against Islam? "Looks like you think that christians had some kind of inside revolution, while I am telling you that the age of enlightement are the main reason." For fuck sake they didn't have "revolution". They simply finally could read the book again and act like they were originally acting. In otherwords they actually learned about their religion. While you live under delusion that most christians could read fucking latin few centuries ago. And understood their religion perfectly. "Probably bot the protestant reform and the enlightement had a role, yet one called for a clean church, the other for a clean man without religious dogmas." Clean man without religion was only possible, because christianity wasn't viewed in same way as it was centuries ago. That is thanks to the catholic church losing their monopoly on what scriptures says. They could no longer pull shit up. You have shown that you have very little understanding over history, especially history of europe.
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  20. ChristianIce "No, it doesn't. It implies that people can ignore the idiocies of their books, like christians do." Again serious christians don't ignore it. And the ones who don't ignore it ARE PACIFISTS. "You know that the teaching of christ are sacred to muslims too, right?" They have different view of jesus, how thick are you? I said  this in comment before. "Then again, if you ignore the role of the enlightment in the creation of a secular europe, please, don't tell others that they have a little understanding over history. " Then again you ignore the reality of world where muslims have been accessed to enlightenment as we do. It wasn't enlightenment that changed, but the religion giving less fuck over what people do. In order for enlightenment to even take place, you needed less strict religion. Are you really that silly that you think that muslims haven't heard of ideas of enlightenment? They fucking spitting on those values. "don't tell others that they have a little understanding over history." Says guy who has proven to not know shit about european history. "Sure the protestant reformation was a necessary step, but that's not a reason to say that the same thing couldn't happen also for muslims." It can't happen to muslims BECAUSE QURAN ISN'T MISREPSESENTED BY A FUCKING CHURCH THAT IS ONLY ONE WHO HAS ACCESS TO IT'S TEXTS. Got it now? I repeat ISLAM IS NOT MISREPRESENTED, BY AUTHORITARIAN CHURCH WHO REFUSES TO LET ORIGINALLY PEOPLE TO READ IT'S BOOK. This is why "reformation" was possible. Because it really wasn't a fucking reformation.
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  21. ChristianIce "On that I agree, but you talk like it's impossible for muslims to live in a secular way and have a pacifist interpretation of the Quran." Because it's. For any serious muslims, enlightenment ideas are disgusting and heretical. There is no way to interpret Quran in way that it would allow such things.  "By doing that, you ignore the millions that are already doing it." No I'm not. Not everyone wants to fight to the death. Hence not everyone become a warrior of Islam. They aren't told that you must go and slaughter, they are told that they are rewarded if they do so. BIG DIFFERENCE. And I use christians as example here. Not every christian follow commands of Jesus. Which is why most christians aren't pacifists. "I hope you realize that if what I'm saying is not true, the only solution is to ban islam and kill who refuses to abandon it." Yeah I realized you were SJW sort of person. If that is the only solution you can figure out to solve problem of Islam, then please stay in denial. I don't even want to meet person like you in real life who's first suggestion is to kill those who refuse to abandon their beliefs, even though belief might be harmful.
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  22. ChristianIce "You dodge it. If you can't have a secular/reformed islam, what is the solution?" didn't dodge anything. Solution is that is should be legal and encouraged to criticism Islam.
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  23. ChristianIce Actually it's not legal. It's considered as hate speech.
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  24. ChristianIce Eu laws.
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  25. ChristianIce Hate speech laws. Look it up. In fact in germany they have thrown people to jail for that. Also EU laws govern all EU countries. In case you didn't know it isn't simply trade agreement anymore.
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  26. ChristianIce I already said hate speech laws of EU. "There is no law in Germany or anywhere in Europe to prevent you from criticizing Islam. You made it up." Hate speech laws are applied when you criticize Islam.
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  27. ChristianIce "How many people from Charlie Ebdo were arrested?" They were killed. Also that was years before hate speech laws. I like how you defend retarded system and it's laws. In fact you have long history of defending all the retarded stuff. Last time I remembered you were defending Islam by claiming that it was same as christianity.
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  28. ChristianIce I already did name it. Hate speech laws. Told you to even google EU hate speech. Which they are enforcing on many different social media sites. Even international laws article 20 states the same.
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  29. ChristianIce I did give the article of the law. What the fuck a you want  from me? I even said the name of the law. Use the fucking google.
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  30. ChristianIce How does quoting it prove it's existance better than fucking naming it? Okay fucking idiot. I'll quote it for you since you're too fucking stupid to use google. "In large part, the movement to circumscribe the bounds of free expression has its roots in three instruments of international law—the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR), the International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination (CERD), and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR). Article 10 of the ECHR, for example, grants the freedom of expression to all, but the exercise of this right is conditioned on conformity with the restrictions necessary, inter alia, "for the protection of the reputation and rights of others." The CERD and ICCPR, which also purport to recognize the freedom of expression, go a step further. Article 4(a) of the CERD obligates signatories to make "all dissemination of ideas based on racial superiority or hatred" a punishable offense, while Article 20 of the ICCPR requires outlawing "any advocacy of national, racial, or religious hatred that constitutes incitement to discrimination, hostility, or violence."" source legal-project. And since you live in a cave which explains why you're SJW. Google up what EU just did in this week. Enforcing companies to follow hate speech laws in order to prevent people from telling their opinions. EU is orwellian nightmare.
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  31. ChristianIce I know difference between EU and UN. Topic was EU and you asked EU law first and I provided it by giving direct quote from law site.
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  32. ChristianIce Awww after being provided evidence for you. You decide to resort same tactics as fundies do. Aka create ad hominem attack in attempt to ignore the argument said just before. You're pathetic. Just sad really. Fact is, muslims are abusing hate speech laws by saying that it's hate speech to criticizes them. Political left also agrees with them. You know people like you who think that  Islam is religion of peace.
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  33. ChristianIce Proved what point? My point was that there are hate speech laws and you said that no such thing exists. I provided evidence that those laws to you and then you go and call me as same as fundamentalist. You're sad troll and you're not only losing here but also on general public. I bet you're going to cry a lot during elections in France. Just like you probably cried when Trump won.
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  34. ChristianIce UN and EU can both enforce laws. Yes EU have written laws which applies to other countries. Do you even fucking know what EU is? EU creates laws and each EU member has to follow them unless they want to suffer from consequences. It's like USA without it's own army (which won't take for along since they already are planning to have one). "In EU is perfectly fine to criticize islam, SO YOU ARE WRONG, got it?" Then go ahead and explain why they are demanding facebook and every other social media outlet to stop criticism to Islam? Your stupidity is astonishing.
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  35. ChristianIce "Go ahead and quote the EU law that bans criticism on islam." Strawman argument. You are acting like fundie. I said they say that it's hate speech to critize Islam. Hence it will fall on the hate speech laws.
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  36. ChristianIce Because you're doing it via youtube while being anonymous.  Fucking idiot... And last time I checked you were defending Islam. In denmark it's crime to cricise Islam. Source Gatestone Institute. Article 266b in denmark's criminal code.
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  37. ChristianIce Nice ad hominem. Especially since you have proven multiple times that you are dishonest. Grow up idiot. You even lost the law debate, obviously you refuse to address doctrine difference since you don't know jack shit of that either. Bye coward ;)
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  38. ChristianIce Oh I only said bye because you gave picture that you were about to leave but apparently you didn't.
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  39. MTG is like cocaine. Once you have played it, it's hard to get rid of it. Even after you stop playing it... every now and then you will get the feeling that you must play more.
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  40. People don't vote for him because he is conservative or liberal.. David you really need to be clueless if you still don't get it why people vote for him.
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  41. +Starving Wolf Yep, it's empirically proven that socialism doesn't work.
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  42. shawn stipe All of them were socialist countries. They were communists by name but structure was socialists.
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  43. shawn stipe Nope, again they had communist party in their government but none of the did fit the defination of communism.
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  44. Because it's racist? Whole white privilege is just used as a ad hominem argument. "you can't know since you're privileged" "you should just shut up because you have white male privileges". How about instead "you have majority privileges"? Go to africa and see how much privileged you are in there. You would be surprised how much worse racism is in there toward white people than white people have in USA for blacks.
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  45. dffykvn Bullshit, you're basicly trying to nullify other people's success by stating that "because he is in race X" if that would be true we wouldn't have poor white people. Whole thing that you guys are crying is nothing more than excuse, especially since there are people from other races who are successful, heck some even without trying hard. Just admit it already that maybe you're not as talented as you think.
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  46. dffykvn Again bullshit. That advantage only exists if you're trying to get work from a person who is racist, and that advantage goes both ways. Black guy who owns a company but is biased toward white people wouldn't hire them if there is a less capable black guy also competing for same place. In other words get over it, that advantage only exists if your boss is a racist. 
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  47. dffykvn Are you fucking idiot? Those are called as family connections and has nothing to do with you being white. He got those advantages BECAUSE OF HIS FAMILY, not because of his race. He would've got all of those anyway if he would've been black. Good job on proving that you have no idea what you're talking about.
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  48. dffykvn Again bullshit, or are you telling me that black and asians don't use family connections in America? You are so fucking stupid if you can't see difference of having advantage because of rich family to having advantage BECAUSE OF YOUR RACE. O'reilly only has those advantages because HE HAS A RICH FAMILY.  Edit: Also his family isn't benefited because they are white. You just moved your goal post from O'reilly being white to his family being white, without ever pointing out how they magically got rich just because of their color.
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  49. dffykvn I'm not missing the point. You are literally suggesting that they suddenly got rich out of nowhere just because of their skin color. Rich enough to give power to their offsprings.  If this would be true then every white person would be RICH. But it's not true. This is a issue of classism not issue of fucking race. IT DID EVEN EXISTS BEFORE THERE EVEN WERE BLACK OR ASIANS IN WESTERN  COUNTRIES. "Oreilly is white because his family is white and thanks to their whiteness he got to live in a home that black people wouldn't have had access to." Again that has nothing to do with them getting RICH. With your line of thinking every white person should be living well, but that's not true. And again, black people are also getting this advantage if their family is rich. Obama's family for example, heck those actors kids are getting roles in movies even though they can't act for shit. It's not about race, but family connections. More powerful your family is the easier you get with you life. "Acknowledging white privilege is admitting that he got a head start and he owes some small part of his success to that head start." He didn't have head start because him being white but because his family had connections. Trying to move goal post again? It's pointless if you can't give clear correlation and causation how the fuck you suddenly become rich by just being white. "The black grandson benefits from his families whiteness but he doesn't get all of the benefits." Claim without any evidence backing it up. Is meaningless claim.
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  50. dffykvn "I said they benefited.  They got a cheap home thanks to the government and racist policies.  Wanting him to acknowledge that isn't the same as saying that he owes EVERYTHING to his race. " Expect that's what you said. Cheap homes? and racist policies? Please point out where in your laws and regulations reads "white people will get cheaper and better homes" then I believe you. "Once again, that isn't what I said." It's exactly what you said.  You said that he got benefits because he is white. I told no, he got benefits because of his family connections. Then you tried to move goal post that his FAMILY got those benefits from being white. However you fail to realize that we are talking about, not how his family got into power position. Not to mention you fail to address how his family even became successful in the first place. "/looks at the founding documents.  Only landowning white men can vote....hmmmm nope that couldn't have possibly contributed to the success of a lot of people.  I guess I'm going to have to repeat that I'm not saying it's the only reason for their success it just contributed to it and made it much easier for them." Look there is this thing called as europe. I know for Americans it might be hard to believe that there are other countries.  Europe had multiple countries, and there whole racial thing barely did even exist. Also notice word LANDOWNING.  Not to mention there barely even were any foreign people in there except slaves lantern on. Mention of white was most likely meant to make sure that indians won't get any power. And that law doesn't even exist anymore which is why I said BULLSHIT to you.  If we would still live in 1800 then you would be right, but WERE NOT. "So he didn't get a headstart from getting to live in a cheap home that only white people could buy?" Again evidences... Waiting for you to cite any government rule which says that only white people could buy. Also wtf cheap homes has to do with your success?
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