Comments by "snuffeldjuret" (@snuffeldjuret) on "David Pakman Show"
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m jones my point is that you can see him in video egging people on, and talking about how he's gonna buy a trump hat, and saying that he frequently uses the "I'm just here to film" excuse.
Also: ""John has been kicked from the #SaltLakeCity and #Portland protest scenes due to alarming behaviors including grifting/profiteering, self-promotion/clout chasing, sabotage of community actions, threats of violence, and — maybe most disturbingly — ties to the far-right," Rebellion Baby wrote. "In short — John's brother, James, is the co-founder of a pro-Trump org called 'Civilized Awakening,' and has strong ties to Proud Boys — even having spoken at a Proud Boy rally. The brothers' polarized political stances conveniently bolster the other's public personas. Activists in these cities recommend that he be barred from community actions and totally avoided.""
John is nobody's friend, he just wants to see things burn. Sounds familiar? What happened in Portland after Biden's inauguration again?
A fun little thing on the side about who's supporting his grifting?
"Accused Capitol rioter John Sullivan sold video footage he recorded at the Jan. 6 siege to NBC and CNN for $35,000 each, according to new court papers."
Despicable.
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@theoretisch4429 "Believing in equality and applying that value to your positions is incredibly consistent if you want to argue about that."
Yeah I am not arguing against that. There are obviously more than one set of consistent thoughts out there :P.
"If someone discriminates minorities and his excuse his that he is consistent.."
But that is not what we are doing. I am arguing that consistency should be commended, even though you dislike the person, as the lack of consistency is even worse. In the spectrum of inconsistency to consistency, you can't achieve more than consistency, so when that is achieved it should be highlighted for how ideological disagreements should be handled, with consistency.
"Then congrats on being consistent on discrimination of that minority."
We are talking about over all consistency.
"But it goes against my values so therefore I wouldn't ever defend someone for their discrimination. Period."
But as no one is perfect, so I hope you will never defend anyone for anything, as no person is perfect and thus hold bad views. Especially if we judge us today by future's standard.
"Well you could bring that argument if they actually wouldn't believe what I'm saying they believe."
But we talked about this, you talked about climate science and brought up a source that could be exaggerating Ben's position. And you failed to address how that source didn't exaggerate what he said. You see, when you make claims, you have to back them up with actual evidence, and if the evidence points to the opposite, they actually don't believe what you are saying they believe. Ben and his supporters are two different things, but you making claims is the same, not matter if it is about him or your supporters, you should be able to back up what you say with evidence.
"When I say they discriminate gays by saying they shouldn't be allowed to marry then this is discrimination and not an exaggeration"
The exaggeration could be calling them homophobic for it.
"Well then say that and don't say they aren't as bad as I think."
Should I really have to?
"And being against gay marriage is as wrong as it gets."
Then you don't need to exaggerate, by assuming they are against it because of their homophobia, if that is what you do. Or is that just for Ben, not his fans?
"Where exactly did I say that? I didn't say that in the sentences you quoted."
You said:
"And it would be harmful to normalize them and say "well they are not as bad as you think"."
Sometimes they are as bad as you think, sometimes they are not. You say that it is harmful to normalize them as a blanket statement, no matter if they are as bad or not. The only logical conclusion is that you think speaking the truth can be harmful, and in this case is.
"It is harmful to normalize people who have a stance that is discriminating minorities."
Then say that :P. I am not sure I agree, as pushing them away doesn't seem to help, so maybe the opposite will? Have you heard about Daryl Davis? Look him up, really interesting stuff!
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