Comments by "snuffeldjuret" (@snuffeldjuret) on "David Pakman Show" channel.

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  42.  @theoretisch4429  "Well, he is a strong supporter of the party that is denying reality. Do you wanna tell me that still supporting the party after all this doesn't tell you something about his beliefs?" But we were talking about him. Also, this statement would have more value if there were more than two real options. Regarding your link: "Fiction: “The idea that the Arctic ice is disappearing is nonsense.” Fact: Arctic sea ice goes ..." My alarm bells go off here, because if he actually talked about "Arctic ice", the rebuttal can't be about "Arctic sea ice". The crucial difference here is of course the land ice on Greenland, which vast majority is within the arctic circle. I am not cherry picking here, it was literally the first thing I read, and I don't see a reason to read and comment about more until we have talked about this. Focus is our friend here. "Imagine having that stance on something proven to be real." You should not use the word "proven" in this context. Climate science is way too complex for that. There is a big pile of evidence, but there is still a lot of uncertainty, like: "The IPCC Fifth Assessment Report (AR5) stated that "there is high confidence that ECS is extremely unlikely to be less than 1 °C and medium confidence that the ECS is likely between 1.5 °C and 4.5 °C and very unlikely greater than 6 °C"" "The equilibrium climate sensitivity (ECS) is the long-term temperature rise (equilibrium global mean near-surface air temperature) that is expected to result from a doubling of the atmospheric CO2 concentration"
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  48.  @theoretisch4429  "Believing in equality and applying that value to your positions is incredibly consistent if you want to argue about that." Yeah I am not arguing against that. There are obviously more than one set of consistent thoughts out there :P. "If someone discriminates minorities and his excuse his that he is consistent.." But that is not what we are doing. I am arguing that consistency should be commended, even though you dislike the person, as the lack of consistency is even worse. In the spectrum of inconsistency to consistency, you can't achieve more than consistency, so when that is achieved it should be highlighted for how ideological disagreements should be handled, with consistency. "Then congrats on being consistent on discrimination of that minority." We are talking about over all consistency. "But it goes against my values so therefore I wouldn't ever defend someone for their discrimination. Period." But as no one is perfect, so I hope you will never defend anyone for anything, as no person is perfect and thus hold bad views. Especially if we judge us today by future's standard. "Well you could bring that argument if they actually wouldn't believe what I'm saying they believe." But we talked about this, you talked about climate science and brought up a source that could be exaggerating Ben's position. And you failed to address how that source didn't exaggerate what he said. You see, when you make claims, you have to back them up with actual evidence, and if the evidence points to the opposite, they actually don't believe what you are saying they believe. Ben and his supporters are two different things, but you making claims is the same, not matter if it is about him or your supporters, you should be able to back up what you say with evidence. "When I say they discriminate gays by saying they shouldn't be allowed to marry then this is discrimination and not an exaggeration" The exaggeration could be calling them homophobic for it. "Well then say that and don't say they aren't as bad as I think." Should I really have to? "And being against gay marriage is as wrong as it gets." Then you don't need to exaggerate, by assuming they are against it because of their homophobia, if that is what you do. Or is that just for Ben, not his fans? "Where exactly did I say that? I didn't say that in the sentences you quoted." You said: "And it would be harmful to normalize them and say "well they are not as bad as you think"." Sometimes they are as bad as you think, sometimes they are not. You say that it is harmful to normalize them as a blanket statement, no matter if they are as bad or not. The only logical conclusion is that you think speaking the truth can be harmful, and in this case is. "It is harmful to normalize people who have a stance that is discriminating minorities." Then say that :P. I am not sure I agree, as pushing them away doesn't seem to help, so maybe the opposite will? Have you heard about Daryl Davis? Look him up, really interesting stuff!
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