Comments by "Deus Ex Homeboy" (@DeusExHomeboy) on "Big Think"
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atreyu119 "Do you feel empathy when you step on a cockroach? I'm sorry if it seems cold hearted to you but I don't. (That doesn't mean I go around stepping on cockroaches for fun, let's get that clear)." -- Few things here-
1- You are Using extreme and absurd examples, such as trampling a cockroach out of no conscious choice of my own while I walk through somewhere. Using THIS to equate it with YOU knowingly paying for the rape, torture, slaughter, life enslavement of Thousands of sentient beings over your sad life, all for PERSONAL FULFILLMENT. You don't do it to survive, you do it because you enjoy it and because your herd enjoys it. It makes you feel whatever you are so desperate for. Simple. I don't trample cockroaches to eat them for personal enjoyment. It gets trampled by MISTAKE. YOU GET IT, IT'S A FUCKING ACCIDENT LOL, Unlike your ACTIVE CHOICE TO PARTICIPATE IN RAPE, MURDER, SLAVERY, etc LOLOLO. (Also, don't be a bigger idiot by using my CAPS LOCK as a strawman excuse to overlook all the intellectual smashing you're receiving. It's good for you if you improve your mentality.)
2- "My empathy for an animal is directly related to it's level of intelligence." - Really full of yourself, yes.
"I will determine that the main trait of my specie is the trait for considering the life of ALL sentient species, out of no scientific basis or moral argument. I will just assume it because it helps me overlook all the murder and rape that I am a part of, so it's better I continue like this avoiding shame and die pretending."
3- You're another fucking idiot, like most of your herd, and here's why- You don't realise that machines are also intelligent. Even more intelligent than YOU, in thousands of ways. Even more than a child in your family(or a really senile person), who isn't even smarter than an average pig, LOL. YOU EAT PIGS, who are Smarter than INFANT HUMAN BEINGS. Therefore, by your own twisted logic, YOU EAT SOMETHING SMARTER THAN A YOUNG HUMAN, and something that tastes eerily similar.
Go and contemplate your shit ridden life, you might have some time to make reparations and change your pitiful stone age mentality.
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I understand the appeal to money, but I also must acknowledge that the
majority of people, or let's say money itself, will never make up for
the inherent characteristics, lack of knowledge, unresolved issues.
Sometimes, to me money, and the pursuit of it in the highest manner,
seems like the ultimate escape from the other less obvious problems, no?
It's like a grander form of all the other small antics we take on to
often confront the important things or actions in life; by building side
quests to avoid the main quest, in a way.
Money solves problems, but only the problems the system of money itself planted into human existence, but being able to buy better pot or food for animals or a better computer is also tempting, but the "Far" reaching consequences of participation are what work as deterrents, too. Seeing too far into my actions makes me almost do nothing but hoard knowledge lol, because the world outside is relatively more ignorant and very often works against the well-being of the organism. I could literally live on nothing but decent temperature, balanced food, cats, pot, a source of information (my pc in this case), some external sources of perspective (friends, random run-ins when i go out, other animals), and that's all I need to solve my own problems, and find comfort in the future, and the infinity of life lol (since it can re-emerge anytime the conditions are right, even after total extinction).
A little long but that's how the feels are rolling right now.
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I can't exactly say I'm enjoying it, but where I have reached in my understanding of the universe and the life within it, in contrast to all the humans before us, gives me a vague guarantee that it will all be ok, as an organism bound to evolution, and the need to move away from our violent/negative instincts(which inevitably deteriorates standards of living) which had a purpose when civilization did not exist, and now we're just in the phase where those behaviors and beliefs slowly get rooted out by something like an "anthropomorphized natural selection". With the development in AI and our ability to intervene into the genetics of an organism, there'll come a time when we can just identify and weed out all the pedophile, religious fanaticism, greed, jealousy, etc sustaining gene/traits, before the human is even born lol; You could say that is a place where I find solace.
I also have some understanding of hormones and diet, where I smoke a lot of pot, fap, as well at eat decent amounts of sugars, and some minor exercise to keep my body from losing form to our, present, unnatural environment; this makes it almost impossible for me to feel too down, I should get some more vitamin B12 tho.
Most people's existential suffering stems from things they don't know, rather than the things they don't have. I haven't quite understood it yet, but homo sapiens seem to have, through evolution, "had their reins of a pre-directed life loosened", where most humans suffer identity crises, go through neurosis, misconceptions about the world, etc. It's like this specie is almost free to roam and be what it can or wants to be, be it a furry other-kin asexual hipster, or a badass leather wearing chopper riding bike ganging man, to a gimp, or a rogue samurai bandit. It's easier to be a guy who just sits in his room going through the world thanks to the invention of the apes before him, i really need to find a job tho, so that's something I'll have to sort out unfortunately (or it could be good, the problem is the people, more than the task/job tbh, and it feels like people want to be that way, because it's so fucking easy to not be, or it seems, I don't think I can ever really see like the mind of another person or animal, but I can get close, maybe real close).
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John Smith, that is not fact, that is your assumption. "laughing makes my guard go down" what the fuck, you know this is a subjective opinion and not fact, right? It's also no alternative fact, so don't, just don't. I know creating space to put in words like 'hooked line and sinker' seem cool, but really, this whole crap about 'if you make a joke, you're open to suggestive manipulation' is something you pulled out your backside. Like people who voted trump, didn't get told funny jokes that brought their guards down -*They simply wanted all the racist, self-absorbed, american-pride garbage that he promised without cracking jokes, and the people gobbled it up like they've been gobbling McDiabetes and KilledFuckingChikens all these years and dying of cancer and heart disease lol. I'm sure "I am the one who's been brainwashed".
You also assumed I am liberal, I'll take a 'wild' guess that your 'enemies' are liberals. And not because of good reasons, but because you're the one who actually fell for tribal behavior and bait, because it feels so true to you. You don't realise that liberals, right, left, Democrat, Republican, alt-right, they're ALL TOOLS made by the people who want to keep you busy feeling like you're doing something important, while they slowly, but literally, come to own entire countries, the land, and the people in it. Because people like you are busy squirming over pathetic fucking ideologies, that count to nothing more than random club memberships, and that wafer thin fantasy is what your identity hinges on.
I'll take another guess -You actually just got triggered by what I said about Trump. Would not respond the same way if I said EXACTLY THE SAME THING to Hillary, Obama, or Berine lol. But you fooled yourself into creating this stack of text to attack, while hiding the original intent, even from yourself perhaps. It is a guess, so I don't have to be on mark with everything yo.
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democratic election, correction-> ELECTORAL COLLEGE, filled with 1%'s selected pawns who can NEGATE DEMOCRATIC VOTE OF THE PEOPLE LIKE IT WAS NOTHING, ANY MOMENT, and CHOOSE THE PERSON THEY WANT. SO BASICALLY, YOUR VOTE, OR ANYONE'S FOR THAT MATTER, IS AND WAS WORTH NOTHING, AND IT HAS BEEN WORTH NOTHING SINCE THE CONCEPTION OF USA LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLL. High levels of comedic idonry detected. Basically, your "democracy" is a fucking sham. A facade that you so proudly latch onto for your own validation. Irony rising, must evacuate.
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The point isn't that there will be "evolutionary parallels", but that there will be Striking Similarities between Earth life and life on other planets (depending on how long it has existed there), simply because our universe is bound to the same laws, Everywhere.
Sure, the lifeforms will have different adaptations regarding temperature, gravity, day/night cycles, etc., but if a lifeform in another planet ends up reaching "human-level" intelligence or more, the "mental processes or logical conclusions" will be the same, again, depending on how much time it has had to evolve. Because "intelligence" is the trait by which the organism interacts with the universe and changes it. And since the universe is homogeneous, the "intelligent", alien organisms that evolve, will keep moving toward more and more similar forms.
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Life is OBJECTIVELY TOO SHORT. No matter how much we do in that short time, it's still objectively SHORT.
While we could make a cure for biological decay, and death RIGHT NOW, the resources and manpower of our specie is fucking SPLIT, to the point where most competent people are wasting their skill and lives coding stupid apps, tracking systems, advertising algorithms. Some wasting away making cosmetics, implants, hair color, fashion shows. Companies whose only aim is to sell as many carbonated sweet drinks to people.
We could do all that unimportant crap after we've solved death lmao!!!!! BUT NO, gotta make that money, buy that sweet material thing to feel better, and do better business to be validated by other apes!!!!!! Following primitive drives, leads to inevitably primitive lives. FUCK so much unnoticed misery!!!!!!!
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@mohal-sal3998 But of course there are differences across varying populations regarding "IQ", which in itself is a poorly formulated metric, with a very narrow ability to measure "intellectual capacities" as a whole.
Charles Murray already proved that there are differences in IQ of people living in different environments for sufficiently long times. And that's right, differences do not mean inferiority/superiority.
But then again it is also obvious that any IQ tests today, still fail to evaluate many aspects of the brain. I merely approached this thread from the angle of refuting what the Andy Capp guy said, so I didn't intend on going into detail, as it can get rather verbose, like this comment already. His claim was that 'Japan is ethnically pure, which is the reason they're world leaders in innovation, and therefore, ethnic purity is good'.
I am also not a student of evolutionary biology, but then again, the value of being a "student in an institute" is no longer the same as it was 200, or 20 years ago. The knowledge is vastly more accessible online, compared to what any attended institute can ever teach an individual. The only thing that needs sharpening, is one's ability to distinguish pseudoscience from reality.
So finally, to conclude it, yes, I totally agree that there are IQ differences among varying populations/races. No question about that.
But we also know that IQ is not synonymous with overall intellectual capacity, and it only accounts for a handful out of the total specializations that a brain can do. And the main issue with the IQ scale, is that it almost convinces some people to think that the smartest people cannot come from the lowest average IQ populations, and the Highest average IQ populations will never have the dumbest people, which is untrue.
Meaning that though it may succeed as a signifier of general herd IQ, it utterly fails at the individual level.
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@mohal-sal3998 On the first paragraph, I mostly agree, though the nuance here, is the fact that despite it being a good predictor of "success at a national and individual level", it merely does that in a Narrow, Money Chasing/Capitalist System. It would get too complex writing down about the existential cost per person (and collective) giving a part of their single chance at living, to temporarily perpetuate this system of operating for our specie and getting validation in return.
Genetics are inevitably, very important in "how intelligent a person can become". For some cliche examples; Einstein, Newton, Bach, were all very gifted genetically in certain departments, and their contributions have been fantastic, we can all agree.
However, if they were born on a distant, tribal island far from civilization and a good education/specialization system, they would be NOTHING compared to what good education made them. No matter how fantastic their "intelligence based genes" were. They would be just another homo sapiens somewhere on a landmass, nothing more, nothing less.
That is what Im trying to explain. Genetics and education. Both fail without the other, no matter how good.
And within decades (or centuries if things go to shit) will come a point where every human will be given a level playing field. Genes will become irrelevant, and so will education systems. Every disease will be curable, every disadvantage, leveled. All the petty things humans bicker about now will become irrelevant. And finally, individuals will be able to live as themselves instead of being haunted by their genes, society, environment, etc.
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Correction - We have innate sense of fairness >>> Most of us have an innate sense of fairness, others don't, due to genetic factors. Then later in life, many of us will diminish our sense of fairness to OTHERS (while Mostly retaining it in regards to ourselves, sometimes intensified), due to the evolutionary pressures humans feel within relatively more complex ecosystems, which we call "civilization", the irony of the word says a lot.
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Sure the humans who do become more "unfair", often CAN stop the transition, but don't. Either A- due to lack of moral/self-preserving motivation, or B- due to pure ignorance/unawareness of the change within their mind.
Basically, what I want to state, is:
1- A MAJORITY of humans do have an innate (nature) sense of fairness, Like most other Mammals do. But, certain events or pressures (nurture -> these are reductive terms but get the message through) in their lives can reduce the amount of fairness they show toward others, especially those distant from their immediate surroundings/social sphere.
2- Entities that make Large sums of "money", will often either have to UNDERPAY the people who produce/process the services they make money out of (usually called employees), or OVERCHARGE for the service/good/utility/etc. Basically, someone is going to inevitably get "fucked over" for a slightly higher profit margin.
This is all a fragment of the evolutionary process, but unfortunately, sentient individuals are the test subjects, and there is no opting out completely, one can only adapt so far as their genetic and environmental potential combined, allows. Along with the knowledge they end up bumping into.
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