Comments by "Night Raven" (@GiRR007) on "Leeja Miller"
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@stephenspackman5573 Yes humans are property, whether you think they should be or not. Its been that way since all of human history. People taking claim over each other. MY wife, My family, MY kid, ect ect. This is how relationships work. Not to mention the cases were people were ACTUALLY owning each other via slavery. Which still happens in modern day in first world countries, its called prison. Thus since a child is the parents property, they are held responsible for that property. Otherwise parents wouldn't be held responsible for what their kids do at all. Its like a dog, if your dog bites some one you get fined or even jailed. Since you are the dogs owner. There wasn't a precedent for federally funded public schools before the industrial revolution. It was left up to the parents to teach their kids the vast majority of the time.
"there was far more emphasis... on vocation"
You aren't even disagreeing, you recognized that the point of school was to prepare people for vocation. The basics they would need to operate in those conditions. Basic read writing and math. Stand in a line, do your assignment, stay quite, orderly rows, ect ect. It was for organization sake. Not to raise them as if the teachers were their parents trying to instill moral values.
The wealth I have isnt because of taxes. I still had to pay for everything I have with MY OWN money just like everyone else does ONTOP OF the government stealing my money. Taxes are in no way responsible for that. People have been trading with each other long before taxes were ever a thing. So if my money is going to be FORCEFULLY taken and put somewhere that I have no control over then yes I had better have a say. That's the gist of how the stock market/economy's in general work. You invest in something, thus you have influence over it. You saying that I should be happy that i'm not getting MORE of my money stolen sounds like a weird form of Stockholm's. The benefits you have aren't from government. You dont need experts to teach children. Parents have been doing that just fine for the vast majority of human history. All animals actually. Literally how we all got here. Schools are more so a glorified daycare so the parents can go to work.
What you are referring to Is called a republic. In an true democracy individuals DIRECTLY make decisions on how a society operates. So for people like you who constantly harp on about democracy, going against a more true to form democratic system is odd. And whats more to call it abuse. You see people announcing the grievances and exerting the power they have to make changes as abusive? That sounds much more fascistic. Ironic considering that its at the smaller local level where democracy is most effective. Where everyone can organize and communicate easier. Compared to the larger state/federal level which is mostly where you types seem to advocate for "democracy" the most, in the place were its the least effective.
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@stephenspackman5573 "My: belonging to the speaker"
Pretty clearly a "POSSESSIVE adjective". Similar to most other languages too, not differentiating between owning an item or a person. Even ignoring prisons slavery is still practice in the world in various forms. Because in reality, humans are items just like everything else on the planet is. Hell we've gone as far to say you can OWN an idea. Something intangible. So yes we very much do own each other to varying extents even in the modern world. You don’t have to be to sole proprietor of something to have a stake in it.
Government funded schools were PORTRAYED as a socialist reaction, but in reality industrialism doesn't run itself. It REQUIRES workers and that is what public schools churned out just as intended. It’s literally what one of the founders of public schools said the goal of it was. Most Americans were rural at the time of the industrial revolution, they didn't know how to operate the type of equipment used for industrialization nor did they need to. But then all of a sudden the government promises to teach every ones kids for free? Thus a resulting boom in workers years later. Like seriously which do you think is more realistic? That a group of the worlds most powerful men just up and decided to build schools for all the countries children just out of the goodness of their hearts with no ulterior motives what so ever? You can’t be that naive.
Governments did not make the “vast machinery for society”, individuals did sometimes groups of individuals working together, but not the governments. You are mistakenly conflating society with government. Attributing all power, agency, and advancements to government when in reality, for the vast majority of those processes that led to modern society, government played an EXTREMEMLY small role. In most cases the rest of said society had nothing to do with said developments either. No government has made anything that you own, not a single thing. You’ve fallen for an idealistic world view that sees a government as no different than the people its ruling over. When in reality that’s patently untrue. The very fact that it has power over people to such a degree makes it FUNDAMENTALLY different. Governments are more similar to corporations. Where a corporations nature is to amass currency, a governments nature is to amass control. You cannot think of either corporations or governments as people. Their goals are not aligned with yours or even the people within them. I’d say it’s like being loyal to apple or Microsoft except at least they actually make products, unlike governments. Also, with corporations under capitalism everyone benefits at least somewhat from the economy growing. Government however is a zero sum game, for government to gain control citizens have to lose control. That may be acceptable for people like you, but it’s inherently problematic and tyrannical. It’s that same type of idealistic world view that thinks “if I ruled they world obviously everything would be so much better”.
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