Comments by "Ficus-lovin\x27 Capybara N\x27 pals • 🌟 • 25 yrs ago" (@YourCapybaraAmigo_17yrsago) on "ABC News"
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@chrisoher well all I can say is what I've heard. I think I heard it from Randi Rhodes on FSTV (I watch on Sling, also YT), altho it may have been Thom Hartmann; that when Trump decided that it would be a great idea to betray the regular Afghans and do a secret deal with the Taliban, he then put the screws to the Kabul govt thru harsh sanctions to release 5000 Taliban prisoners that were currently being held. The president, I forgett his name, understandably did not want to do this. Then he pressured the Pakistan govt to release the #1 Taliban commander. Then when the various scattered Afghani fighting forces tried to fight off the Taliban for weeks before the US left, apparently according to this info, they had next to food, were starving, and lacked proper weapons and ammo.
I don't know what our people were doing while this was happening. Supposedly this happened at points throughout last year and this year.
I'm going to continue to try to get more info on this. Right now it looks like our govt, under Trump and maybe Biden idk, COMPLETELY set Afganistan up to have no choice but to be overpowered by the Taliban esp when instead of giving all our arms and weapons to the Afghans before we left, it sounds like they ended up directly into Taliban hands.
I don't know if our people were ordered to give them to the Taliban or simply leave them unsecured to be taken by whoever got there first.
It's all incredible to me because after all we've done over there, to be informed that we wouldn't do everything in our power to make sure at least that the Afgans had all our gear and the best possible chance to defend themselves; when now it seems like just the opposite, is something that I find so unbelievable. And also, if any of this is true, how much did Biden and the new admin have to do with this???
Anyhow I'm trying to find more information and corroboration on this as I go.
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@juliemunoz2762 not really a good cause, more like a manufactured cause like any other when the mighty defense contractors and those who profit off war demand more war.
According to sources I believe, the Taliban said they could easily get to and deliver bin laden just a few months after 9/11, in exchange for being left alone. But that didn't work into Darth Rumsfelds war plans. Going after OBL was the only thing that would have been certain to sell the war to millions of gullible American citizens (I live here, so I remember).
The WMD lie was the ruse for Iraq and the Bin Laden and Al Queda lie was the Big Lie that got people to blindly wave the flag and not ask questions and support going into Afganistan. So the top Pentagon officials pretended not to know anything about OBLs wherebouts for 10 years until Obama finally decided to go after him for real, so that they could start and continue a forever war for as long as it takes. And while it was an outrage to pull another disgusting Vietnam and we never should have been there en masse bec we could have most likely gotten OBL by early 2002; I don't support leaving them in the clutches of the Taliban either!
If we weren't going to remove the Taliban then we should have either never gone or left after OBLs capture- but no war, no billions and billions of dollars from and to the US govt and the Pentagon and it's big corporate buddies wouldn't want that so, here we still are.
At this point, as we have clearly never even tried to rout the Taliban, we should reverse course and go back and get RID of them by any means necessary. They ARE domestic terrorists and nutjobs. I can't possibly accept that the majority of Afganistan wants those wackjobs to be in power. No I don't believe that to be true at all. Therefore WE must go back and do something moral for a change and liberate that country FROM the savage Taliban who I'm sure have no intention of supporting human rights and GENDER EQUALITY, OH RIGHT yeah right!
What we helped do in Iraq is on a whole new level of war crime.....
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I believe Trump or people directly under him ordered it. He made a traitorous deal to do everything possible so the Taliban could take back over and they did. If you don't believe me I have a great deal of further information for you.
He openly and, for reasons currently still unknown, completely betrayed the civilian Afghan govt that we, the US, had helped put together and been dealing with Day 1. Now here comes Trump and for reasons still publicly unknown destroys all of that, and Biden for his part, let it stand. If we were going to withdraw, and at some point we were, all hardware and weapons should have been immediately turned over to the Afghanis so they could keep themselves free from the Taliban so this exact disastrous outcome would not have happened. It isn't just that the Afghanis didn't do their part, they did the best they could, but between 2019-2020 Trump went to extreme lengths by all accounts to harm them and help the Tallybons. Why?????? I don't know. I have three theories tho and if you want to know more let me know and I'll go into more detail.
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@MrKase420 it's both. Stop defending that sociopath known as Trump. You're nuts if you think he has a conscience. He started this. He set it into motion. He did it all and and Bidens fault, in my eyes, was not reversing it. Trump put this together, betrayed the Afghan people, and ensured a Tali-crazy takeover. He also abandoned all the Afghan partners who worked with any US company or the military at any point in the last 20 years. His Nazis stopped all visas to any non-americans. He gutted the State dept and the Visa office and relevant Refugee govt agencies and apparently Biden didn't rebuild them before doing all this, which further has greatly hampered efforts to evacuate more Afghans wanting to flee. I don't know the current status of the Afghan "partners", if some are still stuck in Afghanistan. I'm sure some are, let alone the 100,000s who will now be refugees or want to flee; of which we could help evacuate many more than we are if Biden fixed the agencies before starting any drawdown, and if he removed the disgustingly low cap on refugees that Trump's Nazi administration proudly put into place.
Please look up this info I'm not making it up.
The man is a monster. I agree with everything you say other than the fact you absolve Trump. You're not that stupid are you?? Trump did ALL of this; he's 90% responsible. I just don't understand why Biden carried it out, and that's why I blame him and if he's impeached over this he would deserve it.
Trump and Pompeo should be shot and hung over this however.
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@carolbradley4845 I hope the Chinese do not do anything for the Taliban. They had an Afghan govt to work with, why didn't they talk to them??
The Taliban should be locked out of the world stage. I don't want to see anyone giving these people legitimacy. They want to live like 7th century savages, I say fine, knock yourselves out, but you have no right to steal 40M other people's lives and human rights to force them to do the same. Nobody not already brainwashed wants their goddamn shitsville dark ages lifestyle.
I have no quarrel with China, despite all the ramped up anti-china propaganda from the MSM media, but if that is the next step they take, they better be prepared to deal with some pretty serious blowback. I agree the country still needs development and infrastructure help- and that is something China does quite well; and that would certainly help the people; but at what price? To keep legitimatizing the Tali-fascists?? How good will these deals be for Afghanistan??? I find it hard to believe the 7th century uneducated savages, many whom are illiterate, will be able to make really crack deals for "their" nation.
NOBODY should be working with the Taliban. I highly doubt they have plans to be a fundamentalist version of FDR, meaning I highly doubt they have plans to redistribute any wealth to be gained by doing business deals with other govts to the people around the country.
Even if they do- which I strongly doubt- you can't put a price on freedom and human rights. I would love to see all Afghans pulled out of poverty with the proceeds from their govt making smart business deals with other nations; but I find it hard to believe the Taliban are going to be willing or able to do this.
They just have to go. I know the costs to us have been outrageous over these last 20 years; but right now I'm just thinking of the people. The Tali-crazies have to go. They have no right to impose a theocratic totalitarianism on 40M people. The Ghani govt had a lot of problems, but at least the country was moving forward, with hopefully more progress to come in the future, but now all that's over with these guys around.
They just have to go and I hope someone, anyone, steps up to remove them; by any means necessary. I mean not one that harms great numbers of civilians; but targeted ethical use of force if necessary.
And now here comes ice-iss K, another fun wrinkle in all this. Russia or China needs to move in, since we walked away, drive out the Taliban, and bring order and safety. Or maybe they won't be interested, idk. But now that we're gone they're the only civilized hope for the immediate future for Afghans.
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Just to make it clear, I HATE my govt and I HATE the Pentagon and CIA even more because they are evil to the core BUT, at this point, these Taliban primitives need to be eliminated. Yes, we cannot stay gone. I knew this was gonna happen and this is wrong. This ISNT their country, it's the Afghanis PEOPLE'S country. They are just a megalomaniacal fringe group who has been able to hang on Bec in 20 years clearly our forces never actually made a legitimate effort to engage with and remove them.
Just watch the just-released BBC video of how they are already repressing many locals with their twisted lunatic insistence at shoving their screwed up version Islam down everyone's throat regardless of gender.
These phyllth really believe they have the right to tell others how to live in their everyday lived. It's really amazing. No, they must be destroyed or forced to surrender. Enough is enough. They are persistent I'll give them that. If they want to live like freaks and faux-islamist r8ghead stone age savages then fine, they can go off to some middle of nowhere sh8thole and do so, but by what RIGHT do they have to dckaee themselves the owners of that entire country??!? (well you got demonic women-hating evil and amoral psychotic Christian tyrants and facists in this country so I guess I shouldn't be that shocked. A tyrant is a tyrant).
We NEED to get back in there for one last push and give them two choices- death or surrender. If they weren't stone age savages I wouldn't mind what they do, I really wouldn't, but they are. They must be made to understand that they are the bad guys, whether they realize it or not, and that Afganistan will NEVER belong to them, and they are way WAYYY out of line; and people like them deserve to be killed at will for they are nothing but a fringe lunatic gang and the vast majority of Afghanis want NOTHING to do with them or their sick obsessed pseudo-islamist so-called view of the world!! NOBODY has the right to tell others how to live and to take away others' most basic fundamental freedoms.
Most of the last 20 years were a tragic disgusting waste and a mistake made by sociopaths at the highest levels of our govt, who only sought money for their cronies and political advantage for themselves, and they do not value any human lives outside their own. All that should be obvious by now. But right now, we need to get back in there and this time ACTUALLY GO GET THESE PEOPLE and either kill them in battle or drive them back into their caves or wherever the hell these totalitarian primitives came from.
Lool I would be all for leaving them alone, esp after all this time, but they (Taliban) have made that impossible. I'm thinking of the rest of the Afghanis right now, the ones who don't need these savages shoving their way in and taking away all their basic rights and having the country being thrown back into the stone age.
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@showxating9885 the only people in Iraq we should have ever been fighting, was ISIS. The rest of the time we never should have been there as the Iraqi people suffered unimaginable losses thanks to us and that's a whole other very ugly ball of wax. That's the reason Bush Jr. and every past and former senior CIA official and some special forces members are going to burn in hell for several eternities. Most of our pathologically evil and indiscriminate crimes against humanity occurred in Iraq. I don't blame the average service-member for what happened over there, most of the rank and file are good people who have a conscience and would never intentionally target civilians or commit a war crime. Most of the war crimes were committed by the CIA or a some rogue special forces. Some rank and file did lose their sou and commit evil too though, such as those army soldiers who stood by or participated in torture and dehumanization of prisoners at Abu Graib or our other satanic torture prisons or black sites. Those people who willingly participated in such crimes against will all have to a higher authority someday I believe.
Almost everything we did outside of directly combating ISIS in Iraq was a war crime. The evil our govt allowed to happen there will take
The CIA literally sponsored kidnappings of 1000s of random Arabic males who's only crime was not wanting us there and looking Arabic; and then making up nebulous baseless claims of "terrorism". There are still a few unlucky souls lefts in Guantanamo that our satanic government refuses to release, for no reason at all. Trying to understand how these monsters in the CIA think is a futile exercise. They love death, torture, unlawful imprisonment and suffering for the fun of it. If there's a single organization outside of ISIS and Boko Haram who belong in the deepest depths of hell, it's the CIA.
Iraqi insurgents (not ISIS, just average citizens) had every right to target us, we invaded their country without permission and they didn't know why. They saw us as the enemy and a threat and who can blame them?? Everyone has the right to defend against outside aggression into their homeland. For this, they were relentlessly targeted by some our personnel mostly CIA and subject to unlawful imprisonment in some cases for years and in some cases torture.
The only thing we EVER should have done in Iraq was depose or kill Saddam and his sons, because they were very violent evil people and they deseved it. After that was over, we should have left, or stayed on just long enough to supervise a stable transfer of power. As far as ISIS, if and when they ever developed after that we could always return, but to my knowledge they did not exist in 2005.
I agree, Afganistan is a much different issue and situation than the infinite black hole of evil and destruction we brought to Iraq. It's actually a much simpler story, in a way.
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