Comments by "Alessandra Jouberteix" (@alessandrajouberteix4663) on "PowerfulJRE" channel.

Marriage simply means "union." An alliance. I remember learning in high school that before the 1400's a man will moved into a woman's family house, he would become her husband, they would be unified. Then christianity made it a sacrament and of course it became a more standard way of doing business: you must get permission to get married, you must be approved by the holy church, you must paid a fee to get married because the only "valid" way to married was by the church. I personally think that homosexuality is an anomaly, yet if two consenting adults choose to unite their lives and do in an honorable way by respecting and caring for one another, why would they not allowed to unite. People are getting hang up on the word marriage because it threatens their sense of safety and then possibly fear the world becoming homosexual and with this, of course no one will procreate if this were to happen, yet is very unlikely. When we are attached to terms without knowing the history behind, we look foolish. In my opinion, if christians have claimed the term "marriage" belonging to a "man and a woman" then homosexuals can claim the term "union" of 2 men or 2 women. They both mean the same, yet they are applied differently and everyone is happy. The word "Marriage" has a religious connotation, obviously. "Union" is clearly the adding 1+1 or heck 1+1+1 if that is what they desire. https://www.sagu.edu/thoughthub/the-history-of-marriage/#:~:text=Although%20it's%20clear%20that%20God,union%20of%20man%20and%20woman.
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@ZetsubenSama thank you for your reply. In my opinion, the reason we get in trouble is because we continue to use words that we have used for millennia for one reason and now we want to use them for another. It does not work because words have deep meaning in the culture. If I say "home" and "house" I know what I mean without explanations. Trying to fit marriage that has been interpreted to be between a man and a woman for ever, to now want it to fit for two man or two women, will of course not be welcomed because of the roles we are accustomed - because of the roles each of them perform. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_ancient_Greece Words have evolve in their meaning. Marriage was not religious or non religious. I said religion took it over. It only takes enough openness to see around the world and realize that it is not "normal" to have homosexuality. I do not mean that they do not have rights, it simply means they are a minority. and how do you take care of a minority? that is the difficult thing. I am not talking bad about homosexuals, I have a daughter that prefers women. I am just saying that in general, it is a difficult place to be. Nobody has "earned the right to be married," either straights of homosexuals. It is simply a cultural constraint and it has been from the beginning of times. http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/secondary/SMIGRA*/Matrimonium.html#:~:text=A%20Roman%20marriage%20was%20called,Civile%20or%20to%20Roman%20Law.
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@ZetsubenSama You are right, I forgot about one Roman Emperor that when his wife died, he took this young man whose features were similar than his wife and made him dress like a woman and therefore it was as if his wife was still alive. I am not arguing against men marrying men or women marrying women, to me the word simply means "union." what I am suggesting is that traditionally a marriage implies a union between a man and woman to procreate. Find another word to symbolize your union, do not take one that traditionally means something for the majority. In my view, this makes things to flow easily without going back and forth. If someone finds themselves threaten, of course they will fight you. I have many friends that are homosexual and lesbians, I respect their right as human beings and their personal choices as long as they do not hurt others. There is a fine line that can be easily crossed: now they are arguing about giving children under 18 to have sex parental consent. In my opinion, I would prefer to honor the healthy family system and when they become adults, they can choose, until then, parents have responsibility to care and guide their children. By the way, the word "family" comes from the greek "property/possession." There you have it, how words have been bastardize over time. Now we have an utopian view of what a family is.... You speak of "earning" and I don't think anybody has "earned" anything, they spoke up and stand their ground and eventually the culture gave in. This is not always the case, that is way I do not believe in "earning." Somethings is time for things to go in certain direction. I really know nothing. I am better off staying away from conversations. Everybody is already set on their own view and it is not my intention to change anybody.
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@ZetsubenSama no offense taken. I thank you for realizing that I am not against anything really, as long as is a conscious decision. You are right about the cognitive dissonance in the US: We do not allow children to drink at 18, yet they are fully capable to handle a gun? Is a rubber band effect that in my opinion continues to keep us stuck in old ways. You can see the culture in the US and if you go back in time, you realize that the same puritanism exist: we say this is the land of the free, yet we remain slaves to an industrial revolution where the only thing that matters is money and possessions. I agree with you that change is necessary, I am just suggesting a smooth change, not a drastic one: By going side ways instead of head on, the resistance will be less. Unfortunately we are easily derailed by the media and the corporations whose only interest is profit. They use the population to keep us fighting and arguing with one another while they cut their deals behind doors. I believe we are a culture severely psychologically damaged, not that you are not 🙂It is that it seems that in Europe it helps you be next to many different cultures and have smaller country. The size of the US is immense and people are focus on working for their retirement and stop working-living in a future that never comes. I agree with you, I was a single mother myself and there was no help at all to help me take care of my children, yet when someone saw something they thought it was wrong, they call the police immediately and the threat of your children being taken away is real. We are definitely on the way of destruction, yet that seem to be the only way to get out of this mess. We are so twisted mentally and psychologically: How do you explain pornography, drinking and driving, sexual abuse, mutilation of children claiming that they are in the wrong body (the human brain stops developing until the age of 27, I am just starting to find myself at the age of 55). Thank you for engaging in the conversation, I appreciate another perspective and if we all could learn to open our minds and ponder that maybe, just maybe the other person could bring a point I have not considered before, we could be in a much better position. Most of the time we are engaging with people with a 2 year old brain that do not accept another point of view and would shut you down immediately because changing their mind means the end of the world. Thanks again!
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@LogicCaster The divorce rate jumped to 50% because women are finally being fed up with the physical and psychological abuse. Now we realize we do not have to put up with bulls...t. It is still an uphill battle when you divorce, yet staying and tolerating alcoholism, workaholism, pornography, video games, tv. There is no intimacy in marriage, there never was, except that now we see better and we are willing to take the exit when before there was no way to go. Marriage means union. A union of 2 things. I personally do not understand homosexuality, yet I respect each human being decision because they have right to make their own choices and I am nobody to tell them what sexual preference to have. I think as human design goes, yes male and female were design to compliment each other, yet again, if someone finds themselves in a great relationship with another person of the same sex, what is the harm for society? I have known incredible people that are homosexuals and I can tell you that they are no different than you and me. I thinks is weird? yes, I do. I try to understand it, I sure try. The same way I do not understand pedophilia, pornography, sodomy, etc. Big difference with same sex people uniting (marrying) is that they are doing it in a consenting adults and as citizens they have every right to unity/marry with whomever the hell they want, as long as they do not force me to participate in their affair ;-)
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@ZetsubenSama It was an enrichment interaction and I think we are actually in more agreement than you think. You say "potato, I say potatoes" and in the end, it seems that we both care about the well being of others and their indelible rights as human beings while in a society. Unfortunately, once you get out in the open and express your opinion about something you will get those that get offended or "hurt" by your statements. Not taking things personally comes with emotional maturity, which most of us do not have. When someone attacks my, I try to detach myself from the situation and look at it from a distance; almost like looking at at hungry tiger through a cage. Here in the USA unfortunately do not have the finesse to behave properly - we have so much to learn about propriety, compassion, kindness, acceptance. I know is difficult to go out there and speak your mind, yet I think that if it feels that you must say something, it is best you say it than keep silent. Stay strong and do not take comments personal because they are not, attacks are usually a projection of oneself. I usually disregard disrespectful remarks, they are not worth my time 🙂 Be well!
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