Comments by "June VanDerMark" (@junevandermark952) on "VICE News" channel.

SCREWSTON TEXAS There are two different theories concerning fetuses. One, is that the souls of the fetuses personally choose which women's wombs they desire to inhabit. And the second theory is that "God" chooses to put the souls of the fetuses into the women where "God" thinks that each soul should personally inhabit. Thankfully only human animals are so silly as to come up with such nonsensical theories.
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@patrickbertlein4626 Which party receives your personal vote?
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@44517A Would you want to introduce your best friend as being a person who (for a living) puts other people to death? From the book … Lord High Executioner: An Unashamed Look at Hangmen, Headsmen, and Their Kind … author … Howard Engel If the revenge that the pro-execution group advocates is pure and proper under the law, why are executioners, in spite of this new openness about the desired ends and purposes that executions serve, still the social pariahs they were six hundred years ago. Why is it that they still hide their names? There must remain deep in the consciousness of the most rabid of the execution fanciers a shred of doubt about what they are advocating, otherwise executioners would be invited out more often, appear on more board of directors, and be invited to join in groups like Rotary, the Lions, the Elks, and the Chamber of Commerce.
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@djl5634 If a god existed, it would be the most prolific abortionist ever. Rather than using the scientific term "miscarriage," those who want to play the religious game ... should use the term "God's abortions." After all ... poor old Lucifer should not be blamed for everything.
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@Imperialbbuilding Those words " before I knit you in your mothers womb, I knew you '' ... were written by men pretending to be hearing words from gods. The men needed women to bear as many babies as possible for the men's armies, so that they could fight and kill each other, in the name of god.
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@djl5634 There is freedom of will to believe as we choose to believe, but from your perspective, if a god's will is not followed, then suffering is the result. So THAT is not freedom of will. That (within theology) is a god telling you to OBEY ... or SUFFER the consequences. Religion is bunkology.
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@djl5634 My guess is, the first men that created imaginary gods, were filled with anger, and mistrust concerning each other's behaviors. And they were very suspicious and judge-mental of each other. So, it followed that the gods they imagined to lives of their own, would be angry gods that were very judgmental and wouldn't trust the very humans that they created. From my perspective, religion was and is ... all make believe.
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@djl5634 What makes sense to me, is Stephen Hawking’s No Boundary Proposal, which does away with the idea that the universe was created, and where he stated before he died, “I still believe the universe has a beginning in real time, at the big bang. But there’s another kind of time, imaginary time, at right angles to real time, in which the universe has no beginning or end.”—Stephen Hawking Black Holes and Baby Universes.
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@djl5634 When in 1927 the Catholic priest Georges Lemaître created the Big Bang theory, it followed that the Big Bang theory would be enmeshed with the idea that the universe was created by a god, as Stephen Hawking learned when he visited the pope. ... "In 1985, I attended a conference on cosmology at the Vatican in Rome. The gathering of scientists had an audience with Pope John Paul II. He told us that it was okay to study the workings of the universe, but we should not ask questions about its origin, for that was the work of God." Stephen Hawking
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@Islamicones1 I suggest that when you don't know why a the woman is having an abortion, to judge her actions as being wrong, is wrong. Maybe she can't even take care of the children she already has, and knows that if she has another, the ones she already has will suffer even more. I never had an abortion, but that doesn't make me better in any way, than women who do have abortions. If you think that judging them in a harsh way, makes you morally superior ... then that is your choice.
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@Islamicones1 Although this United States Supreme Court judge is now deceased, words from her book live on. From the book … My Own Words … author … RUTH BADER GINSBURG. Whether you are a Christian, or an Atheist … you better think hard and long, as you close one clinic after another … in the pretense that it protects “babies.” The lives of women are at stake here, and they are the lives of your mothers, daughters, aunts, friends … and even grandmothers. Then she made a point, nowhere addressed in the Breyer opinion, but embedded in the memories of women old enough to remember the days when abortion was illegal: “When a State severely limits access to safe and legal procedures, women in desperate circumstances may resort to unlicensed rogue practitioners, faute de mieux, at great risk to their health and safety.” (Later speaking with a reporter, she was blunt about the law’s purpose: “It seemed to me it was a sham to pretend this was about a woman’s health” rather than about making it harder to obtain an abortion.)
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@djl5634 Once a person starts preaching what is moral, and what is immoral ... that person is in big trouble ... not only with others ... but more important ... with one's own conscience. Back in history, The Catholic hierarchy believed that up until "the quickening" (41/2 months gestation) that abortion was not murder? Those men were certain, that until movement could be "felt" there wasn't any life in the womb. If women of the Catholic faith had their abortions before 41/2 months gestation, their consciences were free of guilt, as they were certain they were being "moral." So, other than indoctrination, what is morality?
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@djl5634 Eskimo: 'If I did not know about God and sin, would I go to hell?' Priest: 'No, not if you did not know.' Eskimo: 'Then why did you tell me?' Author … Annie Dillard.
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@djl5634 Do you think that your life is better than the lives lived by Einstein and Stephen Hawking? Really?
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@djl5634 Many people would say that Albert Einstein and Stephen Hawking lived very productive lives. The fact that you think they didn't may be your problem.
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@123awesomerobot Abortion is not murder. Fetuses do not have air in their lungs, and what does not have air in lungs cannot have the air cut off. Only babies breathe air in their lungs, and can be murdered. That is why one group is referred to as fetus, and the other group to baby. And that is why women who have abortions are not incarcerated while being charged with murder.
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@123awesomerobot If a man kills a pregnant woman, he will be charged with two murders, but that is because he took the choice away from the woman, who might have wanted that fetus to mature into a baby.
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If you are extreme right, then you are as much of a problem as if you are extreme left. To be fair, you must be able to talk a middle "line,” either praising both sides … or badmouthing both sides.
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Would you rather be alive in this era ... with no death penalty ... or back in the day when Protestant Christian politicians (in Canada) enforced the death penalty for over two hundred (so called) reasons? From the book … Drop Dead: A Horrible History of Hanging in Canada, author … Lorna Poplak. Capital punishment, the execution of someone found guilty of a crime, dates back to arrival of the European explorers on our shores. In those days, if you were condemned to death, quite a wide range of methods could be used to punish you. You could be hanged, or face a firing squad, or be burned at the stake. Although Canada remained a collection of separate British colonies until Confederation in 1876, a Royal Proclamation in 1763 replaced the prevailing Canadian legal system with the laws of England. By the end of the 1700s in Britain, however, the litany of crimes regarded as sufficiently horrible to warrant the death penalty had swelled to 220, including nefarious acts as keeping company with gypsies or skulking in the dark with a blackened face. In 1828, Patrick Burgan of Saint John, New Brunswick, aged eighteen or nineteen, received the death penalty for the double offence of stealing a watch and some money from his former employer and clothing from a sailors’ boarding house. Given the power and pre-eminence of religion in Canada at that time, your very life would have been in jeopardy if you were caught scrawling slogans on the side of a church. You could also be hanged for stealing your neighbor’s cow, which was the fate of B. Clement of Montreal. And just in case you thought that the law protected the young as it does today, think again. Children were regarded as miniature adults and treated as such — Clement was only thirteen years old when executed.
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I don't know about you, but I relate to the following ...The Abortion Monologues ... author ... Jane Cawthorne Monologue 8 There are these ads on the buses. They say they help women like me, women who are pregnant and don't know what to do next. I didn't want to go see my doctor about it. I don't like her much and I didn't want her to know. So I called them and I told them I wanted an abortion and they said I should come into the office and see a counsellor. This counsellor, she kept talking to me about my "other options." I thought, well okay, they're counsellors, doing what counsellor's do, trying to make sure I've thought it through. I go along with it all, try to be polite. And then I say again that I want to have an abortion and could they help me set that up. They tell me to come back in a month. I say that I don't want to wait a month. I want to do it now., and are they going to help me or not? They say okay then, they're going to show me this movie, to help me know what to expect. I'm thinking, I don’t really want to see a movie, that if I was having my appendix out I wouldn't want to see a movie of it before the fact. I'm starting to think I've got to get out of there, but then the thought of starting the whole thing over or going to my doctor I don't like or the walk in clinic doesn't thrill me either. So, against my better judgment, I stayed. I'm in this dark room with the TV and this counsellor and they show me this film of all these ripped up fetuses and these women talking about how they're so sorry they had an abortion. It's disgusting. I ran out of there so fast. It should be illegal, what they do. They said they were non-judgmental and confidential in the ad. (laughs.) They phoned me at my house. (Getting increasingly agitated.) What if I lived with other people? They left me messages about keeping the baby, about how families would love to adopt my baby. It was insane. I phoned them back and threatened them with a lawyer, like I even have one, told them to stop harassing me. They said lots of single women have babies now and in time, I would find a husband. Find a husband? Welcome to 19-fucking-50. And don't try and tell me I should have given it up for adoption. It's not my job to give a baby to some couple who can't have one of their own. Fine, if that's what I want to do, but I don't. And I won't be guilted into it. It's nine months of my life too. Good for those who want to. But don't tell me I have to. Besides, I'd always wonder about it. I can't live like that. I was never someone who felt strongly about abortion before. Now I practically barf when I pass those stupid religious billboards and hear people talk their pro-life bullshit. Television preachers, morons in letters to the editor, men mouthing off about murder, I've got news for you. You haven't got a fucking clue. You'll stand with your stupid posters and block my way to the clinic, call me a murderer, but what actual good are you doing for all the little babies out there already that nobody wants? Talk to me about the sanctity of human life. There are seven billion of us on the planet. Seven billion. They figure nine billion by the time I'm fifty. Let's look after the ones already here, make sure all those kids are fed, have a roof over their heads, an education, a future instead of protecting a bunch of cells. With their logic, we should be saving every drop of sperm. We should be collecting our menstrual blood and fining the discarded egg and burying it with a solemn service. It makes no sense. We've got real problems to deal with, climate change, a planet in crisis. We are so full of our self-importance. But we're like locusts, destroying our host, shitting where we eat. One less of us can only be a good thing.
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I was always confused by my indoctrination that Jesus was full of love, when I was taught at the same time, that Jesus supported his father's behavior of rejecting souls to hell. It just didn't make any sense, that a god would create souls, that it knew ahead of time, it was ultimately going to reject to eternal suffering. Had I been an all-powerful god, in all good conscience, I would not have created those souls in the first place ... and neither would any of you. Those myths are archaic nonsense, not to be believed.
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The population explosion in all countries creates mess, as in, more people, much more mess. However, much of the mess in the United States, is caused because of people being allowed to live, that in other countries would be put to immediate death. That is what makes the United States so appealing to those from other countries, who want to become citizens. I suggest you don't knock it, but rather appreciate it, as those from other countries would appreciate it, if only they could attain citizenship. I'm from Canada, and I appreciate every freedom I have, for instance, my freedom of speech to, in turn post these opinions. And by the way, I visited the beautiful States of Oregon, and Montana, and thought about the people who were lucky enough to live in United States, as I am just so lucky to live in Canada.
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Although this United States Supreme Court judge is now deceased, words from her book live on. From the book … My Own Words … author … RUTH BADER GINSBURG. Whether you are a Christian, or an Atheist … you better think hard and long, as you close one clinic after another … in the pretense that it protects “babies.” The lives of women are at stake here, and they are the lives of your mothers, daughters, aunts, friends … and even grandmothers. Then she made a point, nowhere addressed in the Breyer opinion, but embedded in the memories of women old enough to remember the days when abortion was illegal: “When a State severely limits access to safe and legal procedures, women in desperate circumstances may resort to unlicensed rogue practitioners, faute de mieux, at great risk to their health and safety.” (Later speaking with a reporter, she was blunt about the law’s purpose: “It seemed to me it was a sham to pretend this was about a woman’s health” rather than about making it harder to obtain an abortion.)
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Ministers of the so-called gospel often kept quiet, and let the public make the decisions. They knew that if they rocked the boat concerning public opinion, their churches would be empty. From the book … The Death Penalty: An American History … author … Stuart Banner. At other executions for burglary, ministers took note of the widespread doubts as to the propriety of the sentence and attempted to justify it. But doubts continued to multiply. “If I am not myself barbarous, so bloody-minded, and revengeful, as to kill a fellow creature for stealing from me fourteen shillings,” Benjamin Franklin wondered along with a great many others, “how can I approve of a law that does it.”
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Do you WANT to know what happened, and what still happens, when those in religion use words from their books to insist that they know what is, and what is not … moral? From the book … The Death Penalty: An American History … author … Stuart Banner. “Liberty in the united states is verging fast toward licentiousness,” declared the Philadelphia minister Robert Annan in a passionate response to Rush’s arguments for abolition. “Religion, the only sure basis of good government, is entirely set aside … Humanity is become the popular cry!” The death penalty had been ordained by God, and it was presumptuous to announce that God’s provisions were no longer needed.
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SCREWSTON TEXAS If devotees used the word "thoughts" rather than the word "souls" ... I suggest it would seem ridiculous, when human animals die, to say "His or her thoughts will either go flying off to heaven ... or to hell ... or to reincarnate." Without the word "soul," there couldn't be any religion. All stories are based on what the soul is thinking, and what the soul is doing, and where the soul came from, and where the soul is going after death of the physical body. Fortunes have been made by theologians who taught that the soul is a gift from God, and that women must never have abortions, because abortions offend God's gift to humanity. Evolution of the soul is a huge seller in religion. It means that your soul is ever upgrading and will hopefully soon make the grade of God's "entire" approval of enlightenment and salvation … or … that in the afterlife something horrible could happen to your soul. If you remove the word "soul" from religion, you will not have anything but ground zero.
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@jan-bean They are pro-life for the fetuses, but not pro-life for the women who have abortions, as they could care less if the women die from botched abortions. I suggest that most of them are of the belief that a god exists that places high value on human fetuses, that these so-called pro-lifers in turn refer to as "babies." If they would think beyond their religious hyperbole, they would know that if a god existed, it would be the most prolific abortionist ever, considering how many women who desperately want to stay pregnant, continually lose their pregnancies.
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@jan-bean Women were taught that using birth control of any sort was a sin against “god.” Religion was, and is, a nasty “business.”
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@mrsslav5593 Encouraging hatred against Left, or Right ... is what divides the people in the country to fight among each other. Discussing individual ideas should be all that is necessary, unless of course ... those at the news stations and those promoting their own podcasts want to create a civil war ...all in the quest to keep their ratings high. When I asked some irate complainers ... "If you were in power ... what rules would you put into governing the country?' ... they didn't respond.
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@mrsslav5593 Whether left or right ... those who join any group ... believe that their personal choice of politics should rule the world. Those in religion were and are of the same mentality. It's an ego problem. Example as follows ... From the book ... Guide for Living … Pope Pius XII … Selected Addresses and Letters of His Holiness World Government Address to members of the Universal Movement for World Federation, April 6, 1951: Your movement gentlemen, aims at bringing into being an effective political world organization. Nothing is more in line with the traditional doctrine of the Church nor more adapted to her teaching regarding just and unjust war, particularly at the present juncture.
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@mrsslav5593 Pertaining to politics, rather than left, or right ... the word Centrist implies middle of the road ... moderate ... as in "not going siding with left … or … right." In a country where people vote, the object is, the voters are either for or against certain issues, and for that reason, will vote for either one party, or the other. For instance ... those who believe that abortion offends the will of a god, will be voting for the party that promises to make abortion illegal. While those who want to give women the power to make their own decisions, will vote for the party that promises to keep abortion legal. When it pertains to the subject of abortion, there isn't any middle of the road. Gun control, or the lack thereof is another touchy subject, where voters either vote for one side, or the other side on that issue. I suggest that politicians in the Centrist party, by trying to follow the middle of the road, will ultimately leave the middle of the road; veer off either to the left, or to the right ... which occurred to every group of politicians that tried to improve the old systems for something new.
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I wonder what Christians would say, if asked the question ... "Do you believe that Jesus supports the death penalty?"
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Most people that support the death penalty, also believe that a god exists that supports the idea that humans should put each other to death. That's religion ... for you ... if you buy that story as being true. I suggest that the story is based on mythical hyperbole, and that it was only men that always wanted to put each other to death.
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