Comments by "Jack Haveman" (@JackHaveman52) on "Jordan B Peterson"
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@CANADIAN REBEL
Even if you do that, there's no infrastructure, no strong chain of command, no weapons and no money. They control the banks, the communications, transportation, the industrial complex, everything needed for any kind of conflict. At best, they'll be a guerilla militia, forever in hiding and being betrayed by a Canadian public who don't want a civil war and who just want to live in peace. The protesters are in no position to even consider that kind of confrontation.
Which leaves us with one option. We have to be smarter than them. We have to expose the foolishness of their propaganda. We have to show their thirst for power for what it is. We have to force them to be the fascists that they are because, deep down, most Canadians don't trust them. We have to show the Canadian people that their mistrust is valid. They can easily defeat that small crowd in Ottawa if that crowd wants to fight. They can't defeat the majority of Canadians, who may not want to fight, but will if the government oversteps their bounds. That's how we defeat them. We expose them. It's the only way.
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@viktorkc1154
He supported democratic socialism and at the time there was no real example on how that would actually fare if applied. What history has shown is that if the economy is controlled by the state in a democracy, political candidates will use the revenue garnered by the state run enterprises as a carrot to get votes. Businesses need that revenue to maintain equipment, train employees, invest in research and innovation. Without it, they stagnate and the economy runs into difficulty and eventually the state will be forced into tyranny in their attempt to stop the bleeding or their economy. No true socialist state has avoided it and when reading Orwell, the signs that this is inevitable are all there and that's how Peterson came to his conclusions on Socialism. Orwell showed him, inadvertently, that it couldn't work. Orwell said he was a democratic socialist but his books told a different story. In fact, he was a great supporter of British traditions and those traditions don't reflect socialism, either.
Yes....the owner or CEO of a company can move his business elsewhere and dismiss his employees if he chooses. It's his company. It's my choice, as an individual to work for him and I can leave if I want, as well. That's freedom of the economy. If I force him to hire me and tell him that he can never fire me, I'm placing my authority over his. The owner of a business's first priority is to the survival of his business. If he doesn't do that, he's given up his responsibility to the company, his buyers, suppliers and his employees.
If I build a better mousetrap, I have every right to profit from that mousetrap. It was my idea, my effort, my money and my risk to go into business. Any employee I hire, doesn't take the risks that I did and he has no right to the things that I purchased with my money in order to produce my product. There is no way that anyone would allow a person to walk in off the street and then claim that property as his own and that the owner is now subservient to him. That's theft and if you'd ever owned a business, you'd see that right away.
What entrepreneur, in his right mind, would ever start a business under those conditions. A healthy economy depends on the freedom of it's entrepreneurs to have full autonomy of their own enterprise. If not, I might as well walk into your house right now and take what I want. You've just claimed that ownership is irrelevant and you have no right to ownership of anything.
That takes us to the authority of the law. That's NOT authoritarianism. That's a societal agreement that we will abide by certain rules and laws which are limited by a Constitution which specifically lay out the rights of all citizens as individual, autonomous beings. You either stop me from taking your stuff, by force or authority, or we devise a civilised way to handle it through a system of laws and protection. The rule of anarchy will only result in the rule of the guy with the biggest fist, club or gun. It's still authority driven but rather uncivilised.
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@matthewcurry3565
Ok. Here it goes
30 years ago, I found out my wife was having an affair. It devastated me and I left her for obvious reasons. 7 months later, my son was killed in an accident and my mother was diagnosed with terminal cancer 2 months later. I was a mess. I quit working, drank too much and was heading down a terrible road. After 3 years, I started a job at a scrap yard, which may seem like something but it wasn't that big a deal at the time. In reality, it was a place to go and drink. There was beer in the fridge at all times and if I took a day or week off, no big deal. They weren't going to fire me and they said so. I even got paid for days I took off.
However, I slowly started to go to work when I was there. I got out of the office and started to do things that had to be done, much to the chagrin of my alcoholic boss. It was then that the yard was sold and things changed. I started to do the work that I was expected and supposed to do. It fell right into the pattern that I'd been slowly immersing myself into. They fired everyone, except me, and I worked alone for 2 years, rebuilding a clientele that had been lost when the old owner had it. It was a long struggle, a lot of days, in the beginning, where I never saw a soul, but it was the best thing in the world for me. I was showing up every day. I stayed later when needed. I was metaphorically cleaning my room. The drinking slowed down. I was finding peace in my life and all it took was doing the things that I should be doing.
When I heard him explain his "Clean your room" trope, it spoke to me. I was lucky, though. I came from a farming background where the virtues of hard work were extolled as a virtue. It was something that I had been accustomed to. However, if a person had grown up in suburbia and the toughest thing that they did growing up was take out the garbage once a week, that idea would never occur to them, UNLESS it was outlined by someone who had the power to communicate ideas in a powerful manner and Peterson is just that. A lot of young people would never have worked their way out of severe depression because they'd have never, metaphorically cleaned their room.
I reconnected with my daughter, have 3 wonderful grandchildren. I have a closer relationship with my ageing father than what I've ever had my entire life. Things aren't perfect, that's a life's impossibility but I'm contented. All it took was for me to take care of business, slowly at first, just like his "clean your room" suggested but I made my life worth living. That translated into making things better for those around me.
It's small. It's simple. It's trite but it's real.
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