Comments by "Jack Haveman" (@JackHaveman52) on "Timcast"
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Cyden One
As was pointed out, he was not the one that asked the customer to leave. Also, we have no idea what the customer said, if she threatened him or how serious the threats were. We have no idea of how much experience this manager has and whether this was his first confrontation of this type. You're basing an assessment on a very, VERY short video clip.
Since, you're engaging in personal experience as a call to authority, I'll do the same. I worked for 14 years as a bartender and though I'm in my late sixties and retired, I still get requests for my services on a part time level. This would indicate that my abilities, as a bartender, are respected. I'll tell you one thing, though. I hope that there's no video clip of my first confrontation with an irate customer. I know that it wasn't all that flattering on my part. I got over it and not all people do. It was a new experience in my professional life and it's not easy. That doesn't mean that your unease can't be overcome. I guarantee you that if you watched a clip of my first encounter and decided that this indicated a pushover, you'd be sorely mistaken. I mean that in both a figurative and physical manner. I've even had a customer claim that I had declined service because he was black. He didn't get far with that claim.
Even if that manager isn't suited for that job, and that's quite possible, that doesn't have a thing to do with the behaviour of the customer and how this is being turned into a racial incident. No dispute should be settled using the colour of a person's skin as the deciding factor, alone. The facts are the issue here and that's all that counts. Worse, I'd hate to think that a business should ALWAYS acquiesce to a customer's demands. That sounds like a recipe for fraud without consequence to me.
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@Alex-pt5no
Yet, Grosskreutz carried a weapon, in a riot, that he was in support of. He approached Kyle, with that weapon drawn, and pointed it at Kyle. That's when Grosskreutz was shot....ONLY then. Also, Kyle was NOT a vigilante. He was there to PROTECT businesses and to offer medical aid to ANYONE that needed it. He put out a fire and this brought on the ire of the rioters, particularly Rosenbaum, who said he would kill Kyle if he caught him alone. He was on his way to help put out another fire when Rosenbaum chased him down and tried to grab his gun. A man, who threatened to kill him, was grabbing at his gun. What would any reasonable person assume would happen if Rosenbaum had actually succeeded taking that gun away from him? Any reasonable person would assume that Rosenbaum would use that gun to carry out his previous threats.
Kyle, among others, should not have had to be there that night, but their town was being burned by rioters and looters and the elected officials were doing NOTHING to protect the community. So, what do you do when criminals are destroying everything that you own and the people that you've elected to protect you, turn their backs on you? Do you turn tail and run? That's exactly what the German people did when the Brownshirts smashed windows, set fires and threatened people. Their government did nothing and they acquiesced to one of the most murderous groups of ideologues in human history. In Kenosha, they smashed windows, set fires and threatened people. The local governments, city, state and even Federal governments did NOTHING and you want the people of the Kenosha area to back down and let the rioters destroy their town. That strategy worked really well in Germany. (deep sarcasm) Had only the people of Germany stood against the Brownshirts....but they were cowards. Their cowardice ended in over 50 million deaths before that ideological base was finished.
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