Comments by "Jack Haveman" (@JackHaveman52) on "Jordan B Peterson Clips" channel.

  1. It's the attitude and beliefs those students, at the Christian school have, that gives them the drive to be better scholastically. They've been taught to feel gratitude for what they have and that if they work hard, they're giving themselves a chance at a better life. However, like Job, it may not come but they know that in the gratitude they'll be rewarded by a place in heaven. Secular kids don't see that reward. Life is hard and then you die. That's depressing and can only lead to nihilism. Once you reach that point, what's the difference whether you work hard or not and they're not as prepared as the one who's grateful for their lives and opportunities.
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  2.  @mon_avis2978  The parents allowed it because it was 1966 and they were poor, uneducated and desperate. They didn't know that the person that they were turning to for help was such a monster. Back then, Doctors were treated with reverence because of their education and ability to save the lives of their fellow humans. I have to agree with you about Oprah, though. She used them just like John Money did.
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  3.  @joelmaharry3697  The guy who used the word "save" when he should have used "saved" is lecturing someone about spelling mistakes and then dismissing what he's saying based on that spelling mistake. What hypocrisy. Also, you glossed over the part where he said "medical field did more good than harm" which acknowledges how medicine has been very good. You pretended that he didn't say this in an attempt to prompt others to reject his main point. That point being that good intentions don't always end with good results and when those bad results do happen, human nature will tend to ignore the evidence for it in order to absolve themselves of blame. "If people don't know then I'm not guilty".
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  4.  @andrewbolingo  The Reimers were uneducated blue collar workers, just like my parents were at that time. Good hard working people but I had more education when I was in grade 8 than what either one of my parents would EVER have. They depended on the abilities and knowledge of doctors because they had no access to information like we would today. Even reading was a problem for them. Now, YOU sit in judgement of people, who lived in a time, where learning these things were near impossible unless you went into post secondary education. That's NOT guilt. That's the reality of life before the eighties for most adults. If you had asked my parents to define the term "critical thinking" back in 1965, they would have given you a blank look and shrugged their shoulders. It just wasn't something that the average person would know in those times. It would be like asking a Viking to define "airplane". It was way beyond them. That doctor took advantage of naive, uneducated and desperate parents, with little to no recourse but to go to someone that had the credentials to help them. Unfortunately, the man, who was being touted as a genius in academic circles and on TV, was no better than Dr. Mengele. The blame rests ENTIRELY on the shoulders of Dr. Money, no one else. He was an ideologue, eschewing scientific processes to find fame and glory. Someday, he will be remembered as a Mengele clone.
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  5.  @theonealien5245  She did but this was clipped from a much longer interview.
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  6.  @Max-jm6md  My point is that when you believe that life is hard and then you die, is that you're not looking at the good things in life or that things can get better. The religious believe that implicitly but the secular have to believe it through their own nature and personality. The secular that believe the life is hard aren't feeling any gratitude for the good things in life. There are secular folk, ME INCLUDED, that love life and see hardship as a normal part of our good life and prospects but it's not integrated into a social belief system. It comes from within. That's the one thing that Christians do and Muslims do it too. They express gratitude for their lives, no matter how hard, through prayer. Gratitude is the big difference and the secular can have it, too. "Life is hard and then you die" is nihilistic and it offers nothing. To say "Life is hard but it's good" that's what allows one to work towards prosperity. Every person that I ever worked with that carried a negative attitude were always unhappy and quite often mired in debt. Be grateful, whether religious or not and you'll find that you're life will be happier. Also, the squeaky wheel gets the grease. The complainers are the ones that are heard and it's unacceptable to complain in a religious setting. However, the secular complainers are encouraged. That's what's happening now with all this talk about oppression and privilege. It's complaining that's actually being propagated in a lot of our schools. It's a complex topic and it needs a lot more attention than I can give in a YouTube comment section. I was only hoping to start people to thinking about why they're so upset about their lives so maybe they could work towards fixing it.
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  7.  @hester234  That's she's reached adulthood in such a stable mindset is a good thing. Hopefully, that continues. You can ascribe that to her strength of character, surrounding herself with good people or even the power of the infinite. I understand the undertone of your point but you're denigrating an idea of good intention to pick a fight. It's rather nasty. If I'm wrong, explain why and I will take it back.
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  8.  @eddyf4426  I don't get what you mean. Could you give us an example of what you mean. I'm not even sure how Peterson could have any control who goes on Rogan's podcasts. Does Rogan have to call Peterson to make sure any guest meets with the approval of Jordan Peterson? Your comment doesn't make sense. At least, not as it stands.
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  9.  @victormature344  Yes.....creepy vibes. It's not evidence that he is creepy but we all have felt that way about someone.....unless you're a sociopath. One should take that feeling and watch closely to see if the object, of that feeling, has the personality that would warrant that initial feeling. Emotions are a useful tool to guide one through life. A tool, NOT evidence. Just an important tool.
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  10. This is so reminiscent of the Chinese Cultural Revolution of the sixties and seventies. That's what it was like in the universities in China by the staff and the students. Incredibly brutal. The book "The Cowshed Memories of the Chinese Cultural Revolution" by Ji Xianlin, a professor at Beijing University gives a chilling description of what it was like. Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it. Hard to believe that this is happening in America.
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  11. I'm sure that being on the same team, as the famous Douglas Murray, would have added to his humility. I like his humble manner. He says what he means to say calmly, rationally and succinctly. It's the only way for a decent human being to act.
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  12.  @eddyf4426  You've made some good points. However, I'm not looking at people as perfect human beings. We ALL have our flaws. I got the vibe, from your comment, that because you've found his flaw, that's grounds for his dismissal as an intellectual leader, that we shouldn't listen to him at all. Your comment back was more nuanced and is not so dismissive. I might not have said a thing had your original comment been as nuanced as your second one. Sort of along the lines of appreciating his contributions but not being comfortable with this aspect. I tend to agree with you on that. I've always been critical of the tyranny of the expert. Experts have caused a lot of problems over human history and one of them has been their insistence that only THEY are knowledgeable enough to offer opinions and dispense information.
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  13.  @Nill757  Those who knew were ideologues and could care less.
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  14. The door is open, he says, unless you're a trucker protesting his mandates. Then he won't talk to you. He'll talk at you and about you through the media. He'll call you names but don't you dare EVER disagree with him.
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  15.  @knightone57  If you reject God, why would he protect you? A relationship with God isn't much of a relationship if you're only doing it for self benefit. That's another form of greed which is one of the 7 deadly sins and leads to self destruction. You have little to no understanding of what he's saying.
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  16.  @RynMayhem  But if gender is a social construct, and I've been told multiple time that it is, then, logically, we should be able to socially construct a gender for anyone. If you're born transgender, then it's NOT a social construct, if I'm to follow your logic. So....are you saying that gender is NOT a social construct? I need a little clarity here.
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  17.  Un Hurte  Except that Christianity teaches that we should be humble and to praise God for the blessings that He as bestowed on us. That we should be like Job who, no matter how badly things got, we should still serve God. If a Christian is a doomsdayer, he's not showing God the gratitude that is demanded of him by his own religion. However, our public schools must be secular, by law. There is NO mandate set that says that we MUST be grateful for any blessings bestowed upon us in our schools. In fact, it's quite often those schools that are teaching our kids about privilege and that our country is unfair, racist and based on white male colonialism and capitalism and that all others will be oppressed no matter what they do. That's as nihilistic as it gets. It offers no hope for a future. What's the point in even trying if society is systemically conspiring against you? That's my point. It's not that you're forced to be that way but it's the standard in many of our schools. It's become a social pressure just as the Church puts pressure on Christianity to be humble and give thanks to God. Christians are overtly taught to be grateful and it's not overtly encouraged in secular institutions. That's the difference and it will show in how they deal with life.
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  18.  @collin4194  Even if they disagreed, why turn it into a debate? Why not discuss the differences and find common ground. Try to understand one another. Understanding doesn't mean agreeing. To counter an argument you have to understand what that argument is all about. To do that, you have to listen. Finding truth isn't about winning an argument. It's about knowing ALL aspects of the issue that you're trying to learn about. Some people have trouble communicating effectively. That will render them lousy debaters. A glib tongue doesn't make one correct.
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  19.  @tinfoilhatter  "That was one....LOOONG....incoherent, run on sentence" to quote a remark, left on a term paper, by my professor. No punctuation, no capital letters, horrific grammar.....it left me wondering what it is you're talking about.
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  20. I watch the legacy media to get a gist of what's going on in the world. Then, I scour the internet to find out what really happened.
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  21.  @VaetanThought  Give it a break. I was circumcised when I was 5, due to an extremely painful infection. The operation was nothing and quite a relief. Thanks, though for being horrified and appalled for my "mutilation", though. I sure feel better now. Had the Reimer circumcision gone the way it was intended, you'd NEVER have heard of the Reimer's or this story. The Reimer twins would have lived a normal life just like the other approximate 2.5 billion men around the world who are circumcised today. The horror of this story is how Money used this unfortunate boy to further is own ideas. It's a story of horrific abuse. One thing is certain, my situation should NEVER be used as a comparison to what happened to that little boy and his brother.
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  22.  @bellumxyz1421  Such a small, myopic and arrogant view of human history. Religion has been a part of human society for tens of thousands of years, in every corner of the planet, in every race and nationality throughout all of our known history. Then you come along and proclaim that this phenomenon is pure brainwashing. You then throw in a little of your own personal bigotry, just to round things off. Has it ever occurred to you that religion is a natural evolutionary process? If it is consistently in every human society, it may have been essential to human survival.....but I guess it's easier to set yourself above others, peddle your own ego trip and thereby dismiss others than it is to look deeper into the psychology of the human spirit. Before you go all weird on me.....I'm not religious so don't bother using bigoted comments in an attempt to smear me. It's ultimately illogical, anyway.
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  23.  @Selenium764  She's a minor. She's not old enough to even give consent to have her tonsils removed because the law feels that she's NOT mature enough to be able to process all the necessary information. Not mature enough......that's at the heart of all this. Yet, a minor, going through severe emotional stress, is suddenly and magically mature enough to give consent and DEMAND that she have her breasts removed. They manipulate a mixed up teenager in order to fulfil their own ego, ideology and bank accounts to perform Mengele like experiments on them. That's not just malpractice. It's depraved indifference. The doctors are SUPPOSED to tell you about all the benefits AND risks of every surgery or medical procedure. That's their job and obligation......and she was only 13 when those doctors "affirmed" her self diagnoses and gave her the puberty blockers almost right away. No discussion, no assessment of her emotional state, just making sure that she has the money to pay for the procedure before she signs on the dotted line. It's amazing what greed will do to people.
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  24.  Jack Richardson  Peterson was suffering from an addiction to anti-anxiety drugs that were prescribed by an actual doctor. So...yes his addiction is the result of a type of illness. It's not as if he started doing crack or heroin for the high. He had health problems and the drugs prescribed reacted badly, causing addiction. It could happen to anyone, even you. But maybe not. When your perfect, bad things don't happen to you.
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  25.  Jack Richardson  My father in law was a brick layer and builder who had his own business. I can drive around town and see multiple homes, office buildings and a local bank that he built. He also developed a serious drinking problem which killed him before he was fifty. It was awful to see him go that way. Was he a "pop" bricklayer and business owner? No....everyone that knew him, liked and respected him and couldn't understand how this could happen to him, including me. He was a good man who had demons that plagued and destroyed him. Your smugness says a lot about you as a human being and it's not very flattering.
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  26.  Jack Richardson  What do you think? You think a psychologist is some super human being, a godlike figure who could never have emotional and physical difficulties? He's just as human as anyone else, no different than you. He happens to have high intelligence but that's not some superpower that will shield him from having personal issues. You sound like a little kid, ascribing super authority to a something that's only a profession. His being a psychologist, in of itself, doesn't make him right or wrong. It just means that he's trained in a certain field of study....no more, no less. And it doesn't give him a secret ring of power to fend off all emotional problems. Grow up.
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  27.  Jack Richardson  Who has he bullied or belittled? Name one.
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  28.  Psychonaut  First....you don't understand addiction. Second....you're stuck under an illusion that just because one has problems, that means that he isn't intelligent. Third....you're not discussing anything that he's saying. You're reacting like a school yard bully who thinks that if he calls you stupid, he's won the argument. He presents ideas for the intelligent and thoughtful to discuss and consider. Those incapable of discussion, call out names. Grow up and discuss those ideas. If you can intelligently discuss his ideas, then you'd have something. If all you do is denigrate, you're a talking head with nothing to contribute. You should have outgrown that when you were 15 years old.
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  29.  Psychonaut  I'm retired and I worked as a machine tech and a business manager and I have a college diploma in business systems.
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  30.  Psychonaut  Well, I'm not getting it. How is my profession tied to the legitimacy of what Jordan Peterson has been speaking about? "I'm a business manager, therefore Peterson is great" as opposed to "You're a business manager, therefore Peterson is a loser". How did I get into the picture?
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  31.  Psychonaut  Still not discussing ONE thing that Peterson has ever said or written. All you do is attack personalities. If you're representative of what is being taught in academia, no wonder the country is in the mess its in. Don't discuss ideas and learn from them. Berate people and refuse to discuss ideas. "John" agrees with me therefore he's smart. "Jack" says things I don't like therefore he's stupid. A 5 year old can do that.
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  32.  Psychonaut  As a weak man, I started with nothing. Worked hard, raised a family. Lost my son in an accident when he was 18, a year after finding my wife in bed with another man and I lost everything. It hit me extremely hard and after being aimless and lost for a couple of years, I went back to work, real work and helped start a business from scratch, rebuilt my life through hard work and smart decisions. Re-established a strong relationship with my daughter and now I'm financially secure, retired and have a great life. Maybe I am weak. Maybe not. I did the best I could. One thing that I'm proud of. My 88 year old dad, told me that I'm the only one of his seven kids that never asked him for money. We were never very close, not like he is with my brothers. He also told me that he was impressed by how I came back from a terrible life experience and have put myself in good place in life. That tops anything that you or your pop analysis can say about me.
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  33.  Psychonaut  You just called Peterson weak and then implied that I'm the same because I happen to show a little empathy towards what's he's going through. I was trying to show you how you make judgements on people that you've never met, have no idea what their lives are about or like and then pretend that you've just made some kind of deep intellectual statement of an over arching truth. You've not discussed ONE thing that would pertain to Peterson's work. NOT ONE THING. All you've done is call him names. Once again....a five year old can do that. "Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people." Eleanor Roosevelt. Which mind have you, thus far, shown yourself to be? Just a little self reflection and answer this question honestly.
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  34.  Psychonaut  Do you really think that every thought in your head is your own? Everything that you know is the result of others teaching you. You were taught to speak, to read, to do math, everything you know is the result of ideas and facts that you've been exposed to. Peterson talks about more than just psychology. He's putting out ideas for you to think about. Using your own mind to judge the things around you, to understand what others say, their motives, what "quotes" mean and how they might apply to you. You don't become a better person or accomplished by regressing into your own head and considering nothing outside of it. You look at the world and what's in it, interact with it, think about it and try to understand the wisdom or foolishness of it. I'm not that egotistical to think that I'm the ONLY one that has a thought worth relaying to others. If I did, why would I even talk to anyone. Whatever they say would be stupid by my standards. It takes one narcissistic person to believe that they're the only person that has anything of worth to say. The world doesn't revolve around me. If someone has something of value to say, I appreciate it. I'm NOT the only "wise" person alive and I rather doubt that you're not that "wise" person either. "Try thinking for yourself". The justification that a person that can't think beyond his only little thoughts would say. My God....what an ego to think that "yourself" is the ultimate.
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  35.  Psychonaut  Right now, I'm sitting in the sunshine, enjoying the fruits of what I did over my life. Wisdom isn't about never making mistakes, either. Peterson has made them in the past and he's talked about them. Wisdom is gathering all the knowledge that you can, assessing them and then knowing that mistakes are not the only thing that defines you. If that were so, we'd all give up after we'd made the first poor error in judgement in our life. Apparently, we're all not as lucky as you are. Never EVER made an error in judgement in your life. I'd hate to be one of your kids. Make one life mistake and you're forever saddled with the "loser" label. Peterson is recovering from his problem. He's made enough money in his life that he could do whatever he wants. He's one of the most successful people, not only in his field, but on the planet, known and admired by millions. Who are you beside that? Some internet hack calling people names. No one has ever heard of you and when you're gone, there goes your influence on the world. You're a nobody, a talking nothing on the internet. No one even knows your name. You didn't even have the courage to identify yourself.
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  36.  Psychonaut  Rather one dimensional aren't you. You don't discuss ideas. You talk about people. You're a gossip. That old lady on the phone continuously muckraking about the neighbours. No wonder you won't use your own name.
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  37.  Psychonaut  So....being a business manager is a menial job. Rather condescending aren't you. You don't think much of the average worker do you. I'm surprised you took the time to get off your high horse and to bother and type off a response to my comments. It must hurt the ego to have fallen this far. Don't give your real name. You're too important. I'm sure that there are hundreds, THOUSANDS, just waiting to pounce on you, if you give them the chance.. After all, can't let an intellect like yours just run amuck. Get over yourself.
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  38.  Psychonaut  You never explain what I'm not comprehending. You don't know me, yet you assert that I've never had any life experience. You just construct a figure that you decide is me and then you proceed to knock it down and declare yourself the victor. They call that a strawman, you know. Still not talking issues. You've made this all about me. You don't even have the intellectual capacity to discuss any thing that Peterson has ever touched on. It's as if this "mental weakling" has ideas that you can't even begin to discuss, either because you've never ever listened to him or read his material or it confuses you. So, to make up for these deficiencies, you just start calling everyone names and change the subject.
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  39.  Psychonaut  Assumptions? Listen to you. The great one. "I've done things you can't imagine". Wow....a guy that incorporates "psycho" in his YouTube name. A person who may suffer from , among other symptoms, delusions of self importance. You have this idea that you have "special insight and wisdom and then you use this "gift" to call people names. Once again, get over yourself. You're not that special. Some guy, with a made up name, on the internet, thinking he's special. A guy that doesn't even understand what a strawman is and insists that he knows what another person, on the internet, is like and what he's done. Delusions of grandeur. We should anoint you "King Psyhconaut" Emperor of way out there. PsychoNUT would be more fitting.
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  40.  Psychonaut  "Extensive awards" LOL. I'm supposed to believe all this? I don't even know who you are. You won't even use your correct name. Maybe I'm talking to Donald Trump!!!! Wow!!!! He's always talking about how great he is. What an honour to meet you your Royal Orangeness. Could I get a personal tour of the White House? Or maybe we could do a round of golf? As long as you don't cheat. LOL. What a maroon!!!!!
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  41.  Psychonaut  Going for the low hanging fruit, are you? You're demonstrating exactly what I've been saying about you. You're incapable of any intellectual thought or conversation. It's all insults and bulling. The mind of an adolescent.....and you seem so proud of it.
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  42.  @gerardo49078  Thanks a lot for the comment. It does mean a lot to me. It's not easy but I used to think about my grandfather when things were really bad. He had 22 kids by 2 wives. 7 of them died before their 5th birthday, most of them were the older ones. I can't imagine what that would have like, except to realise that this wasn't out of the ordinary back then. People are tough and most of us work through the bad things in life, like I'm sure Peterson will. Self pity doesn't help and hating on people just rots the soul. Once again, thanks.
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  43.  @professordogwood8985  I had to undergo a circumcision due to a severe infection when I was 5 years old. It wasn't indecent or a tragedy. In fact, at the time it was a HUGE relief as the pain, from the infection, was horrific. Once done, I never gave it a second thought unless people, like YOU, brought it up, calling it an indecency, like you did, or an abomination. A great thing to hear when you're only 11 years old. Don't be so damned judgemental.
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  44.  @catrionamacfarlane4949  I sure hope that's not how you behave at funerals. "He's DEAD. Face it and grow up". I suppose RIP needs correction, too. "He's not resting. He's DEAD".
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  45.  @professordogwood8985  A lot of circumcisions aren't prescribed by doctors. It has ancient religious and cultural significance to a very diverse range of people. I can't say this for sure but I have to wonder why it's so prevalent in the more tropical regions, especially in sandy deserts. It may have to do with infections due to heat or sand getting under the foreskin. I do remember that my infection, in the beginning, felt as if there was something under the foreskin and it grew from an irritation to severe pain. Circumcision is more of a holdover from ancient times than a medical procedure. As for calling it an amputation, I've lost more skin of my knee falling off my bike. It's not the big deal that people make it out to be. The poor Reimer kid was saddled with a poor doctor, that's all. He, and his brother, might still be alive today if John Money hadn't come along and tried to "fix" things with his perverse ideas. The botched circumcision was an accident. What Money did was truly shocking and appalling.
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  46.  @professordogwood8985  I don't want my foreskin back. Why would I? It hasn't changed my life one bit. There are other body parts that I wish I still had but that little piece of skin is completely inconsequential. Why it bothers people that other people would do it, completely perplexes me. A tattoo hurts worse. A breast implant must REALLY hurt. I know getting your ears pierced is painful, let alone the tongue, lips, nose, naval, nipples or other sensitive locations. The circumcision thing is a big deal about nothing, compared to some of the things that people voluntarily do to themselves. A tempest in a teapot.
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  47.  @professordogwood8985  Yeah......lots of big secrets out there. They don't let us circumcised folk know the deep stuff. Rather intolerant if you ask me.
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  48.  @catrionamacfarlane4949  It's pretty easy to call my comment "ridiculous". It's another to explain WHY you think that. I notice that you didn't even try.
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  49.  @tinfoilhatter  He was talking about the human condition and if you're fixated on all the bad things in your life, because we all have them, you'll end up angry, bitter and vengeful. That helps no one and can only makes things worse than what they already are. It's not that difficult. I'm going to say that you're being intentionally obtuse because you feel as if the message is directed at you.
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  50. If the release of methane, in the Arctic, due to the melting of the permafrost is going to cause a run away effect, would that not have happened at the end of the last ice age, about 10,000 years ago? There was a great deal more land affected back then and surely there must have been copious amounts of methane released. Why didn't this release cause a run away effect and render the earth unlivable?
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