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Whatever you think it was designed for, it was used as an LMG... so in its role obsolete. Poland made a much better job of trying to get the best out of it in the 1930s than the USA if you watch Ian's video on the Polish version of the BAR. As an autorifle... well Ian's fired it here and we can make of that what we will. Interestingly as full calibre autorifles were introduced in the 1950s (-ish) they were made to be fired from the shoulder, and Ian shows how hard this is with something that weighs nearly as much as a 'proper' LMG. Also interesting is how having developed rifles such as the M14 and FN FAL that could be fired as a normal automatic rifle, there was then a realisation that in full auto mode, they were almost uncontrollable so the trend then moved on again. The idea that if everyone had a BAR instead of a Garand... would it have made any difference? NB - TFB TV has a rather interesting view of the Thompson SMG as well in a comentary on overrated weapons. Spooky.
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You go get your machine gun /assault rifle etc to 'defend' yourself and be democratically happy then but I'll bet my boots our murder rate is somewhat lower than yours.
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Robert, an emergency surgeon will tell you that any wound's severity depends on its size location etc not just the mechanism that caused it. I have not stated that one type of wound is more dangerous than another, simply because of such variables. My first point to Mr Obama is firstly that his allegation that there is more violent crime in Europe than (I am guessing) in the USA is poppycock. My second point is that for someone who claims to be a medical professional, their knowledge is as questionable as their spelling and criminological research (eg a 'full body laceration' - a term I guess they invented...)
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gump my 'expert book type knowledge' is that the Canadians were not permitted to manufacture the SMLE under license so had to look for a home grown alternative. The SMLE is much easier to look after - the bolt can be removed in one easy operation with no tools required - but I'd hesitate to call any rifle favoured by snipers for long range shooting 'junk' or suggest they should not be fired... An interesting video in many ways - my main interest was whether the bolt could be operated without moving he head out of the aim and it seems not. It also suggests that tales of bolts flying out of the action may be somewhat exaggerated.... Am I also right to think it's a 5 round magazine so any bonus in rate of fire is lost in any case, when compared to the SMLE which holds 10 and doesn't need you to break the sight picture when operating the bolt.
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stormywindmill aye the gas regulator is adjusted with the tip of a round. Genius.
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+NormanMatchem summed it up nicely - thank you for your knowledge
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There was a similar kit for the UK L1A1 SLR too.
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Bravo Ian! NB my Polish Resistance Fighter t-shirt just arrived in the UK today - happy Christmas to me :-) EDIT - in a moment of really wanting this project to come together I've tripled my original pledge. Hopefully - Belgium here we come!
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I am wearing my battle studded thunder shorts while watching this.
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Ah - I mistakenly thought it was part of a T-34's gearshift assister.
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@dbmail545 nice explanation - thank you
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The slow motion of the Beretta ejecting spent brass was poetic. Excellent shooting - both weapon and camera.
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No volley sights? Rubbish gun....
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@mikael7084 because some of us a) like the fact that there is content yet to come and b) if a 23 word comment is a blog to you, then good luck!
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I am no way experienced enough to say I know better, but thought Ian's comment about sighting/instinctive shooting was not really such a big factor. Otherwise the OU shotgun's bottom barrel would be less than optimal. Thank you for your experienced thoughts sir.
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Two Boer wars on record Ian, not several. And I always wonder why in just under 40 yrs since I first fired a Rifle No4, never heard them called smellies in the UK only ever heard it on the www from non UK sources. Ess emm ell ees is fine for me :-)
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Based on this - I will now be a C&Rsenal subscriber. Well done gents - the goal is better knowledge for us all. A total win. :-)
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Lovely video. When counting your hits Ian, just remember all those bits of research about how many bullets it took for each kill in various wars. As has been said already, many of those near misses would have me eating dirt, filling my pants, and generally keeping my head down. Brill video, thank you.
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Hi and welcome to Forgotten Ammunition. Yes I am aroused already.
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@mek1429 Thunderbolt and Lightning - very very frightening!
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Alexander erm yes we can... check your sources please.
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@turbogerbil2935 thank you for clarifying
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@dominicrichardson5546 (and Motoben) - you can have all the fun of the fair with air weapons, and pistols make great garage guns. Ive shot the target style, and also the Umarex 8 shot types...I think there are clubs that run practical air pistol comps if you want to go tacticool and do as Ian does.. just more cheaply and more quietly!
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@flynlion-p9i indeed - I know Ian said it's x3, but I am wondering what the field of view will be; early sniper scopes were very narrow field of view. I am also not clear so far as to whether the iron sights were replaced or not, as I am alos puzzling over why the scope is offset to the left... I'll type that all out in my own response!
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pancholom But I'd not like to call the infantry man unqualified --- Empire troops were very well trained in the use and care of their own weapons. Ok - misassembly when tired or stressed can happen, but having started to read up on this in response to another thread, the actual cases of injury caused by a bolt seem to be rare and of minor significance. The basic point of the video is that if the rifle is assembled correctly then you have nothing to fear, and that as soon as there were cases of the reversed carrier, a modification was ordered to prevent it.
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+Vince L it's worth watching Ian's BAR video where he shoots the WWII version; as a man who knows his guns from shooting them, his conclusions are worth listening to. I've used BRENs in both .303 and 7.62 NATO, and it stayed in service because it did so well. The BAR was intended as an automatic rifle and for its time was good, but heavy. Its adaptation into a light machine gun had the limitations you describe, and I'd say it falls between two stools, designed as one thing, used as another. It was outclassed by the time 1939 arrived.
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Thanks Jake - I'll see if I can get that title as an e-book. I'd recommend Gary Sheffield's biography of Haig; it does a lot to put several myths to bed. Interestingly you both misquote Haig, and the actual correct quote is invariably given out of context to further the ends of making Haig seem a dinosaur. http://quoteinvestigator.com/2012/11/30/horse-in-war/ The fun of history from the sources - it's always good to check the original sources as anyone with an agenda can write a book nowadays.
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Well let's not stray off topic - I think we can agree that this is about guns and also an interesting discussion about not relying on poorly informed and poorly researched "sources".
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Intentional homicide in western Europe is about a quarter of that in the USA. And you claim to be a medical professional? I wouldn't like you treating myself then as gunshots, especially high velocity or high energy ones are very complex compared to blade penetrations. I'll leave it there.
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I know - this was simply about gun control in the UK and western Europe having a significant and notable affect on public safety. Then we have people saying that we're all killing each other with knives and clubs instead, and cuts are more dangerous than firearms injuries. Good old www - lets you pretend to be anyone you want to be!
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Used by the machine gun detachment of the 3rd Seaforth Highlanders, Ross' own unit, in the Boer War. Read "the Ross Rifle Story". I think when we get to the point of seeing you copy and paste your view a few times then we know what your next response will be if we carry on trying to talk with you. If you wish to believe Canadians were sold short by naughty British imperialists - carry on!
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gump and your reference is.... missing, but at least you're pretty clear about your anti British bias now. Junk then, junk now, and you're best forgotten.
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I wonder if Cap and Ball has watched this hunt with such a primitive firearm? Kidding apart, I do believe every meat eater should either do this or go veggie ;-)
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@SpiderGeometry I am sure you can as well if you know the right people, safe with a rifle, and so on. Plus you can do courses with the British Deer Society, which I think covers all of the UK... yes you have to pay but... well that's down to what you value in your life.
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Bloody hell I remember when Steve Hislop managed the first 120 mph lap in the early 90s... things are indeed moving on fast!
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A good point, but consider the cost and scarcity of telecopic sights at this time in history, plus I don't think anyone expected the trench warfare where modern sniping has its roots. By the end of the Great War, I would suggest Empire troops were possibly leaders in the field, but I am usually wrong :-)
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I will easily recognise your cameraman by the ejected brass in his forehead ;-)
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Ooooh - oh not on display. I'll see if I can catch Jonathan and bribe him to let me see it.
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yup spot on; additionally there is the 'spherical bastard' a phraise coined by physicist Fritz Zwicki. No matter which way you look at it from, it's still a perfect bastard.
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@Tunkkis well remembered sir!
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@ajaxribaldo bless the nerdology! And AFAIK, none of the post war upfettlements went back to the drum sight, so (if Ian agrees) it's pretty likely that drum sighted BRENs will be the first generation of the thing?
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Quite right - history was full of wonder weapons that never quite worked and still is. Meanwhile in 1812, the limits and expenses of factory manufacturing set the bar at muzzle loaders, let alone the limits of drilling and training soldiers who had very limited experience of machines. Even the muzzle loading rifle was used in small numbers because of these reasons
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mrjockt - lies, we don't even get proper snow, we just get sleet and pretend. That day two years ago was in June as I recall.
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Interesting they used N for NATO when in French it's OTAN
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Funny - maybe even true - but in northern England we say it "garridge" with the stress on the first syllable, and that will probably be true for Small Heath too, but the people that paid for it say "gararge" with the stress on the second syllable just as it would be in French. (See also grass vs grarse, ass vs arse and so on....)
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Possibly more of a "Fat Girl Guide" rifle? I have heard there is a bipod currently being built at Cammell and Laird.
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What a lovely bit of iron, and beautifully presented too Ian. So what is in my mind is why the Mauser and not this? The disassembly and operation look squaddy proof. All it needs is a ten round mag and it might almost be as good as an SMLE, and I'd bet a 10 round mag in that calibre would barely upset the balance of the rilfe, and would win in terms of shooting comfort?
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Very nice video, watched it on WaW. One downside is no comments/discussion so a question; the internals: are they from something like a Ruger .22 tweaked a bit, totally original, or is it hard to tell?
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@stephenbarker5162 , it's not probably, it's a fact. The UK changes came about after 2007 when a pair of arms dealers were busted for converting possibly over 3,000 deactivated firearms back into viable weapons, and funnily enough, they weren't sold on to FAC owners but to criminals who I presume were not into punching holes in paper targets or collecting rare and historical weapons. Link to news report here: https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/dec/09/ukcrime.ukguns
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Thank you Ian; we have just completed a small one week tour of many RAF stations/museums and possibly have seen more RAF Brownings this week than I have ever seen - wing guns, turret guns and pintle guns. Very good timing to watch this tonight - thank you Colt and J.M.Browning, and thank you Ian. PS - I wonder if this WWII video is interesting to any of you? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NScptsa5zJA&t=2s&ab_channel=JoluqaMalta
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