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You mean... kind of like Xbox Series X XBox shipped in a series of boxes marked with X.
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Yep, I think he was confused by the way the specs read (the 3rd slot is listed separate as it doesn't have SATA, it also disabled the bottom PCIe slot) , Also x570 Taichi uses T-topology but he must have forgotten since his review: https://youtu.be/OUtvsAmD3Ws?t=1222 BZ set me straight below the Retail samples have daisychaining unlike the engineering samples https://i.imgur.com/v6LLuTf.png
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@mrmarecki1 he bought some crazy dragon thing... that was part of a display.
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Not really I am just ready to upgrade for instance... Had a RX480 for awhile, Then Vega FE, its time.... if AMD makes it I will buy it period.
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He's gonna get nicknamed Pace Car Steve lol...
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@miou-miou- Woah... people like you are the problem that don't reevaluate their decisions for 30 years... good grief you are so wrong it absolutely is not even close to being funny. AMD has the best drivers on Linux right now bar none, this does mean there is a several month delay as they are pushed into mainline but that is the nature of stable mainline driver support... you can typically get day one support these days by building your own kernel from AMD's branch of the Linux kernel or using a package repo that has it done for you. AMD has been the better choice for nearly 10 years... back then you lost some performance but the experience was so much better (no having to install binaries that might break).
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@GamersNexus If you are buying an x570 board for in the $250 range it would be dumb to stay on SATA or a slow NVMe drive when this is the one item you can buy to actually utilize PCIe 4.0 meaningfully. Bear in mind this is an SSD that was selling for over $250 a month ago. If you are cash strapped you shouldnt' be buying an x570 board but optimising your build better, for instance buying a B450 board and getting a faster CPU if anything. Basically your argument against the best value SSD on for the performance on the market right now has no teeth. Especially since IO bandwidth has been the limiting factor on PCs since the dawn of PC computing. Even at silly things like windows updates there is a huge difference between a SATA SSD and even a basic NVMe drive.... at this point you shouldn't be using SATA for anything but bulk hard disk storage granted I'm sure SATA makes more sense for swapping drives a lot between benchmark rigs but that is a truely niche case.
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@Gamers Nexus LLVM has nothing to do with "Virtualization" its just a compiler framework that happens to have an intermediate "Virtual Machine" representation during compilation of code very similar to for instance Java bytecode... except LLVM is more targeted toward ahead of time compilation instead of just in time compilation as the Java virtual machine is. LLVM is basically a modular library used as the basis of the Clang C/C++ compiler which is used on the PS4 apparently as well as FreeBSD and Mac OS and avaiable on Linux and Windows etc... also LLVM is used for the Rust programming language as well which is powering many of the changes being made to FireFox for the better as of late. Also note that LLVM powers the Mesa graphics drivers on Linux as well... being used to generate the code that runs on AMD's GCN and Intel GPUs. It's only a VM in the sense that the bytecode is made for an abstract very generic CPU that doesn't actually exist nor could it exist practically speaking (ie it has infinite registers and other wierdness) the bytecode isn't even executable... it has to be compiled by another stage of the LLVM toolchain into native code first.
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Because a new chipset with Intel means a new socket... which means you can't bring your old CPU for the ride.
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That is true... wierdly they are not all made on the same node though. So some of them are 12nm and some are 14nm.
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I have an uncle who is a tech industry CEO... he was having some badly cloned and branded fiber cables made in china and kept stoppping them through the court system there, and in 2 weeks they;d be back up and running. He said instead of continuing to do that he just paid off some people to ensure that nobody started doing so again.. and they didn't. That's how you get results in china.
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Us enthusiasts and early adopters that bought x370 boards when Ryzen was launched along side for instance my 1700x... well we are getting dumped on by AMD.... the whole point of through 2020 support of AM4 was pretty clear at the time, whatever CPU AMD was going to launch on AM4 would work on my new x370 board so I've been waiting to upgrade...well I guess I will never upgrade it since I certainly am not buying a board just to upgrade to Zen 3.
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Basically this move by AMD means I won't be a person that buys two CPUs and one board from them during 3 years... I'll be a person that buys 2 CPUs and two boards over 5 years.... STUPID!!!!!
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@GamersNexus You should probably throw this out there.... that RTX IO is mostly just DirectStorage, and is actually a feature driven by consoles, so AMD will definitely have support for it also on future cards. I think the first steps toward this were the hardware based scheduling driver updates (this allows the driver to allocate and map memory itself rather than request the OS to do it and this is a prerequisite for memory mapping files efficiently and DMAing them on and off the CPU willy nilly).
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@strohhuttv8848 Apparently you aren't a programmer or engineer so let me break this down, the SSD allows you to leave resources on the SSD and lazy load them with hardware acceleration (so the CPU itself isn't involved and latencies are faster) this means you cut the amount of textures you need to have in memory at any given time, which will vary game to game but still it should be a sizeable chunk, this means if you have 8GB of VRAM, you can basically pretend that it is 12GB effectively as you don't' need to keep it full of assets that aren't on screen. It has NOTHING to do with FPS, but everything to do with getting rid of muddy textures, the unreal 5 demo is a great example of this as it has 8k textures, and is also using the new geometry shader features to do LOD programmatically on all the meshes which means smoother and higher effective performance across the board with no mesh swapping as has been do in the past. The FPS increases come from better GPU bandwidth utilization by fewer cache flushes and potentially precaching, as well as dynamic LOD and culling on geometry which has never been available in consoles, the latter has the greatest effect on FPS.
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Tim Sweeny says that because he has a programming and engineering mindset... and from that perspective current PCs despite thier potential higher performance are markedly worse in many ways, for example a PC might need to have 16GB of vram to match the texture quality that a console will be able to achieve by dynamically swapping in and out textures from SSD as needed, now PCs can do that to some degree but currently have no hardware acceleration for that and it would all have to be done by the game developer.... so in that context yes PCs are old hat. At the time the PS3 launched, 100% of games were using a dominate single thread, and that is a bad programming habbit that is still not 100% broken, but by and large most game engines are no longer built that way, as it is not the best way and is decidedly old hat when you have consoles with 8+ cores (aka all consoles after PS3 are multi core in some shape or form),
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They AMD attacks provided no proof of exploit... which is par for the course. the problem is they didn't actually run these attacks on real CPUs but on simulations and then said the attack works... which is completely wrong.
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RTX IO doesn't acutally increase performance though AFAIK... its just a streaming IO implementation. So games that use it will load faster etc... SAM on the other hand is a broad feature.
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@Thesupremeone34 Sun Microsystems created Java, it was slower than C/C++ pretty much always but it started out on 50Mhz machines and was usable... at that point Java was not nearly as bad as it is now but its layers and layers and layers deep in bad design at this point so far from KISS it isn't even funny. Sun Microsystems was an awesome company that could not compete and was mismanaged in the late 2000s. Similar to how AMD was mismanaged and almost went completely belly up until Lisa Su turned them around.
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IPC does not scale linearly with clocks so when you screw with the core clock you throw it all out of wack anyway.... prime example is the completely nonlinear performance curve of Renoir due to having plenty of cache to keep up below 3.4GHhz but running a bit light on cache above that...
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@mansfield360 You realise DirectStorage was first developed for Xbox right...with AMD, and RTX IO is just a branding for the DirectStorage feature. Playstation also has an even more advanced than Xbox variant of a system similar to DirectStorage and you can bet your CMOS batteries than RDNA2 is going to have equivalent support.
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@John Richter That's because AMD has used both untill and through 2020 when talking about AM4... regardless it was the understanding that when we bought an AM4 board, it would support all AM4 CPUs with BIOS updates, and the only real limiting factors might be the VRM and missing features like PCIe 4. Do I expect to run a 3950x on an x370 ITX board... no.. but I do think AMD should support Zen 3 on there and a 6 or 8 core Zen 3 under 65W TDP should work fine. The only reason for dropping these is purely a cash grab... and a failed one at that as they lost the money I would have spent on a Zen 3 CPU upgrade from Zen 1.... I guess I am waiting on Zen 4 or 5 then.
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@pl0dman925 If they do make it it would just be a refresh... of x570 most likely.
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x570 Taichi at microcenter (newegg is cheaper when in stock).
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There was a graph of failure rates by mobos with 5700xt GPUs... all the x series boards were pretty good, B series worse intel boards worst... so yeah I'd say the x370 boards are perfectly fine they aren't that old either and due to AMD's SoC architecture there is no reason for AMD to be dropping support for them other than a cash grab same as with x470 (which is just a refresh of x370 anyway with a few power management feature added).
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@raspas99 which one x470 or x570? I'm a little partial to the x570 Taichi myself... the 2.5Gb lan is a bit pointless on the ASUS board and it doesn't have the option to trade the bottom PCIe slot for an extra m.2 slot.
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You gotta get this up to 2300Mhz / 1200Mhz on liquid... note there are powerplay tables online for 100% power and 2400Mhz/1400Mhz.. and an ice run at 2400Mhz :P people are breaking records on reddit!
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BIOS size is irrelevant... they ought to just make a single BIOS..... and a tool to strip extra microcode out of it when flashing, and you just select the CPUS you need supported. For instance I don't own any of the original Phenoms that ran on AM4... or any Zen 2 or any APUs.... so that's a ton of CPUs that could be automatically stripped out.
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@whatisbow2865 AMD hires Davie504 .... RAGE MODE... EpyICaL...
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No mention of Amds anti lag... is a travesty. It came to market first and provoked Nvidia to this at all.
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Brad Viviviyal TSMC is one of the largest fabs in the world... if not the largest. Thier revenue is nearly as much as Intel's and they are only focused on being a fab.... intel has other R&D they have to spend money on. It's arguable that TSMC's fabs are more profitable than Intel's.
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Remember slot 3 disables the bottom PCIe slot and doesn't have SATA electrically, also the board is actually T-topology which he actually did note in his previous review when looking at it under a scope.
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You mean like Davie504.... RAGE MODE.. EpyCaL....*bass slaps*
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lt lets you route displayport from a GPU with an internal displayport to your mobo, which will then let you connect up displayport over USB-C etc...
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@4fiHysteria Well go get a x370 board and run a 1700x like me if you wanna be cheap :P , but when telling a friend what they should include in a new build with a decent budget, I would be wrong to tell him if he is going to get a Zen 2 CPU and X570 to skip the PCIe 4 SSD... especially when it's at an all time low price. $170 is cheap for 1TB note there are several SATA 1TB ssd's that are literally more expensive than this. I mean sure, it's a safe thing to ignore if you need to cut some fat from your build but if if fits in the budget by all means go for it.
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@lifemocker85 All Navi GPUs are already PCIe 4 but it doesn't matter.... and it probably won't matter unless you run 2 high end next gen GPUs together.
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Been working on an ammo can build for awhile now (3d printed insert + either a laid back air cooled or external radiator liquid cooled).
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I have two AsRock x370 ITX boards... kinda pissed at AMD.
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Or just a super expensive cryocooler with a high enough watt load rating. (would set you back a cool 10-15k) probably.
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Exercising that 1st amendment like a boss... perhaps AMD can brand some guns or ammo, maybe a crossbow (such as one design by Jeorge Sprave)... then Steve can exercise his 2nd Amendment also!
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@jamegumb7298 No you can definitely boot from cache with a BIOS designed to do so... that kind of implies coreboot which doesn't support zen much yet...
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@tisjester And if you want to go Retro kitty case... there were actually a couple of these at computer reset if I remember correctly and you are in the Dallas area next time it is open and are willing to spend an entire afternoon hunting one down in that place lol. http://www.atxcases.com/Cases/kitty.htm
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It's on a standard E key M.2 card... so you can upgrade it if you need to.
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I won't be surprised if AMD switches to xGMI for the chipset links since they are bringing it in house, which would mean more bandwidth available to the chipset, if they are designing the chipset on the same process as the Epyc IO chip then why not make it PCIE 4.0... I imagine if it doesn't happen this generation it's almost a certainty for x670 etc...
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@Gamers Nexus shouldn't you be testing with 1usmus custom power plan for Zen 2 since we know the default power plan is broken for multi CCD cpus... another consideration is people doing new builds, can buy PCIe 4.0 SSDs and get a boost in disk performance that is unavailable on Intel at the moment as well.
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It's because PSU vendors want to ensure that you buy thier cables and nobody else's... the Minifit JR connector type is basically a defacto standard and if anything they are only making minor modifications so that it doesn't match other vendors. In short there is no technical or engineering reason why they can't they just don't because money and or liability if you use another vendor's cables.
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Probably both... probably means this is what the HAGS driver betas were testing... it doesn't help much on last gen GPUs but suspect that they have the hardware in RDNA2 to make it effective.
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The fact is they aren't and AMD is just cash grabbing... AsRock for instance supports the 3950x on my original x370 board.
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PCIe 4... DDR5 doesn't exist on any board anywhre yet and won't untill at least 2021, and probably 2022 for consumers. Also PCIe 5 is likely what DDR5 boards will have PCIe 4 is a stopgap.
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@MazeFrame Formally known as a "Widlarizer" https://www.autodesk.com/products/eagle/blog/bob-widlar-life-engineering-legend/
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