Comments by "bakters" (@bakters) on "The Allied crime against humanity WW2 (Operation Keelhaul E1)" video.

@Drain_Life_Archive "crimes from allies" Not combing through all of them with a fine comb in order to find the innocent is hardly a crime. It was a post war period, the Allies could hardly afford such measures. Simply feeding those people was not a trivial task at the time, which people are quick to forget. TIK overreacted and overacted.
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@DawnOfTheDead991 That's not how you think when you were a literal slave in the country of your enemy. Probably homesick most of the time. I mean, I'm not saying nobody wanted to stay, but I doubt there was a massive problem with people refusing to go back home .
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@DawnOfTheDead991 "what about the civilian slave laborers, who were majority?" What about them? In general, they wanted to go back home. Were there any reports of forced deportation on a mass scale? I'm not aware of those.
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@DawnOfTheDead991 You make it sound like "the Reds" had no legitimate reasons to be vindictive. I'm a Pole, not a "red", by any stretch. I would have helped to round up those guys and send them off to hell. (Or at least I feel this way at this moment. I mean, I couldn't do women and children. That's beyond my limits.)
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@DawnOfTheDead991 "allies sent back Red Army men whose only "crime" was to be captured" Assuming they didn't actually want to go home... (No, they were not persecuted. That's mostly a myth.) Re: "some of those collaborators" - WaffenSS units were used to punish my nation. For resisting. Whoever participated in what they did, was guilty. Some were unluckily guilty, I'd hu*g them nonetheless.
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@TheImperatorKnight "debates in the comments" Okay, let's debate why those people preferred the suicide over the return to the Soviet Union. You seem to argue, that they simply loved the free world so much, aka communism is worse than death, which suits your narrative and political views (mine do not differ by much, just to be clear on this). I argue, that they knew what they have done, so they expected a fate worse than death, therefore they chose to escape it by more painless means. Sending them off was not a crime against humanity. Sending off the innocent, and I'm sure there were quite a few of those mixed in the broad stroke of global politics, was a crime, at worst. However, not a crime against humanity. To fall into that category, the Allies would need to purposefully oppress some populations and commit atrocities against them. I argue that nothing of the sort happened here.
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@billd2635 What is a supposition? That there was no systemic oppression against a population here? I find it hardly debatable.
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@nurifidei4056 " systematic " Systemic. That means that the system is out to get you, just because you were born into some oppressed group of people. The way I see it here, it's just that the West couldn't be bothered to sort those people out according to their "sins", so they let the Soviets do it. Yes, that's a bad deed, maybe a crime even, not a crime against humanity, though. Anyway, it wasn't certain death. I'm sure even quite a few of the self confessed perpetrators survived the ordeal.
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@nurifidei4056 Youtube deleted my reply, where I explained how people from my region can't even understand your approach. Youtube really wants you guys to stay the way you are, apparently...
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@nurifidei4056 You are being shielded from information. That's a fact. It still won't work. Once you guys start feeling the heat under the seat of your pants, you'll change right away.
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@heijimikata7181 If Germans did the same, it still wouldn't have been a war crime. Say, they captured some Hungarian communists during Barbarossa, and Hungary wanted them. Regardless of what Hungary did with those dudes, it's on them. " illegal imprisonment and banishment " They were POWs with no legal right to stay in any Western country. You can't banish someone who's not your citizen, so there was no banishment. POWs can legally be held captive. Anyway, let me quote my other post, since almost nobody seemed to read it, and it's relevant to the whole picture: "But let's not forget, what those people did in Nazi service. Was I a Polish guard in one of those camps (as TIK reported that happened), I'd not lift a finger in their defense. They were the worst of the worst. They were the most brutal, immoral, absolutely awful people purposefully sent to Warsaw in order to punish it for the uprising, just to give an example. So, cry me a river over a rezun slitting his own throat for a change..." Yes, those people you guys so valiantly defend were the actual perpetrators of both war crimes and crimes against humanity.
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@aleksazunjic9672 "many committed war crimes against civilian population, since they were mostly anti-partisan troops" I'm almost jealous of those Polish guards, who got the satisfaction of sending them off to hell.
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@DawnOfTheDead991 I don't hate Russians. They didn't have Waffen-SS units. The people responsible for atrocities against the Poles were not Russian (Dzierżyński, Stalin, Beria etc). Even when it comes to the nations who have committed the atrocities, I don't hate the whole nations. Only the people who actually participated in the deeds themselves. (Even if they'd claim to not do it, that's not enough for me. Because an actual perpetrator would claim the same. So you wore the uniform, you were a member of said unit, you are guilty in my eyes.)
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@DawnOfTheDead991 "officers who merely surrendered risked geting shot" No, not really. They were sent to "clearing camps" (for a short period) and the vast majority subsequently was either sent home or re-drafted into the army.
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@adrianshephard378 Where did that come from?
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But let's not forget, what those people did in Nazi service. Was I a Polish guard in one of those camps (as TIK reported that happened), I'd not lift a finger in their defense. They were the worst of the worst. They were the most brutal, immoral, absolutely awful people purposefully sent to Warsaw in order to punish it for the uprising, just give an example. So, cry me a river over a rezun slitting his own throat, for a change...
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