Comments by "Hobbs" (@hobbso8508) on "TIKhistory" channel.

  1.  @oscartang4587u3  The Vampire Economy does not say otherwise. Syndicalism is about workers controlling unions, which in turn leverage their power on the state. Nazi Germany was the literal opposite of that. The state controlled the fake unions, who in turn controlled workers. You are comparing bottom up to top down, then using a completely irrelevant source to prove something.
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  2.  @colebehnke7767  He can claim that all he wants, it's total bollocks. Those councils were not made up of workers, but government appointed officials.
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  3.  @oscartang4587u3  Which Nazi Germany was not. Fake unions had no power to control the state, they did not have equal power to the state. The state appointed the fake unions' leaders.
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  4.  @super_sigma_  Clinton had sex with an adult. Hunter isn't even in politics. Drag shows show less skin than the beach. Hate to break it to you, but the Conservative fear mongering and moral panic is nothing new. First it was about gay people, not it's about drag shows. You want to see "get them young"? Go watch children saying the pledge of allegiance. Nationalism starts very early in the US.
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  5. ​ @oscartang4587u3 Except they are included, they just aren't monarchs and business owners any more.
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  6.  @oscartang4587u3  Right, they become the same class. That isn't the same as saying they don't exist.
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  7.  @oscartang4587u3  "The action of forcing people in other classes to becoming poleteriat itself is already a differential treatment." No it isn't. Everyone is treated the same, that's the whole point of not having classes. "Reducing the number of people in one class to 0 by extermination , exile, re-education or any other means, still make people in that class(treated differently) no longer existed." Again, not really. Monarchs are already treated differently. Removing them as monarchs doesn't suddenly make them stop existing, it just makes them the same as everyone else.
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  8.  @oscartang4587u3  They were treated exactly the same. We don't complain when criminals are prosecuted, or claim they are "being treated differently". These monarchs have been treated differently their whole lives, they are in fact finally being treated the same.
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  9.  @oscartang4587u3  "The definition of Socialism is social ownership of mean of production." Meaning the people need to have some say in the running of the means of production. Hitler's anti-democracy top down authoritarianism did not allow that. "The socialise entity can be race, class or even gender." That's not what socialism means. The whole point of Marxism was that it saw capitalism as a barrier to socialism. It specifically outlined the idea that business owners and land owners were diametrically opposed to equality and human rights, and that they only survived off the work of others. In what way was racial hatred a barrier to social ownership of the means of production in Nazi Germany? Hitler also did not succeed in social ownership, and it would appear he never intended to, as the amount of things in private hands increased during Nazi Germany. He simply gave those pieces of private property to his sympathisers, and sold off a bunch to boot. The increased restrictions from government did nothing to change the fact that the property was private and Nazi sympathisers were making profits off the businesses they owned.
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  10.  @oscartang4587u3  You literally quoted a section about communism requiring democracy to be implemented, then whined about how it didn't really mean that, then whined some more because when I pointed out the dozen or so ways that the manifesto is similar to modern society you were upset that I left out the ways that it's not similar. Give me strength you utter bellend.
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  11. ​​ @praxlandy  Actually I liked his comment. You are confusing private property rights with private property. Conflating the two is dishonest and you know it. Nazis expanded the total amount of private property by selling off government assets and even gave capitalists slave labour for their factories.
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  12. ​ @colebehnke7767  Since when did we take Nazis at their word?
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  13.  @colebehnke7767  Correction, people claiming to be socialist but not wanting any actual socialist policies and actively working against socialism. So not socialists at all.
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  14.  @night6724  Except if workers cannot vote then appealing to the government is just as useless as appealing to a business.
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  15.  @colebehnke7767  Both.
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  16.  @oscartang4587u3  "The socialized entity can be race, class, or even gender." If you have to split hairs like this, then it's not socialism. Social ownership is not a segment of society, it's all of it.
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  17. ​​ @oscartang4587u3  No, they had their capital removed. They were still alive and still voting people, just not capitalists. It represented everyone.
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  18. ​ @oscartang4587u3  Again, not the Soviets, we've been over that. The Victory of the Counter-Revolution in Vienna is describing attrocities committed by the bourgeoisie. It talks of the Croatian freedom being celebrated with arson, rape, looting and other atrocities. So no, he is not advocating for violence. He is saying that the only way to stop these atrocities, the current violence that is ongoing, is to stop putting the bourgeoisie in charge.
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  19.  @oscartang4587u3  Apologist, not apologising. He is defending Nazism by distorting what they actually believed so that modern Nazis like himself look distinct enough that he isn't immediately called out as a fascist.
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  20. ​ @colebehnke7767  Correct.
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  21.  @colebehnke7767  Oh, they didn't call themselves socialists so it's totally different. Nevermind definitions or any of that nonsense.
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  22. The US has a long history of banning strikes. They aren't big fans of workers acting as a collective.
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  23.  @colebehnke7767  Any factual take is a bad take to you Cole. Maybe next time you watch your lord TIK you can separate his propaganda from the facts.
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  24.  @TheImperatorKnight  "Democracy is nothing other than "people power" (State Power)." Those two things are separate. You are literally contradicting yourself with your brackets. People power is not state power when the people have no say. That's literally the whole point of democracy.
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  25. @NoNameNoWhere  Cry harder fascist.
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  26. ​ @oscartang4587u3  That's not what he's saying. He's saying that Hitler changed his political position over the years.
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  27. Literally the first thing the Nazis did was imprison then kill Marxists. All you're proving is that you have never actually read Marx and Engels.
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  28.  @colebehnke7767  More like ignoring sources.
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  29.  @colebehnke7767  He should try again then.
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  30.  @colebehnke7767  That Nazism isn't a form of fascism. We've been over this.
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  31.  @colebehnke7767  Nothing you said makes any sense at all. This is what happens when you listen to the guy that thinks North Korea is a democracy. Some real right is wrong, up is down shit.
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  32.  @colebehnke7767  No, he does. He told me so himself. And no, they aren't socialist ideologies. You just don't seem to understand what socialism is.
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  33. ​ @billmitchell2080  Damn, you actually destroyed him.
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  34.  @colebehnke7767  "Marx was not the founder of socialism, in fact Hitler states that Marxism is a Jewish prevention of “real socialism”" Good job you put "real socialism" in quotations so we know for a fact that is was not in fact socialism. In fact he tells us so. He described his version of socialism as a return to old Germanism, where all the members of society look towards a government to make descisions on their behalf, including the allocation of resources and who is in fact in charge. Of course, his version of what he considered socialism is entirely indistinguishable from feudalism, which definitely is not socialism, but don't let that obvious detail confuse you.
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  35. @colebehnke7767  Except what he actually produced looked nothing like an old germanic tribe. It was just feudalism with extra steps.
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  36.  @colebehnke7767  There was no RIGHT to private property. Private property still existed.
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  37.  @colebehnke7767  Want to also talk about the numerous government industries the Nazis oversaw the sale of?
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  38.  @colebehnke7767  600 million Reichsmarks.
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  39. He didn't put up a box. He paid for 24 hour toll operators.
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  40.  @colebehnke7767  So people privately owning property is not private property?
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  41. @colebehnke7767  You get that people still owned things right?
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  42. Since TIK decided to make things up.
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  43.  @oscartang4587u3  Completely. They aren't part of the state, they are private individuals. Party members number in the millions.
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  44.  @oscartang4587u3  Again, a planned economy is not the same as ownership. Nobody said capitalism has to have a free market.
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  45. He didn't collaborate with trade unions, he gutted them.
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  46.  @oscartang4587u3  But workers having control of the means of production is the definition of Marxism, and is built on the socialist foundation of the means of production being owned in common. Your argument is basically "even though it doesn't meet the defintion of socialism, it's still socialism", which is nonsensical.
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  47. ​ @oscartang4587u3  There is.
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  48.  @oscartang4587u3  No, it means that if the voting went a different way it would not be socialism.
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  49.  @oscartang4587u3  In non-democratic states, as laid out in the manifesto. You should read it all the way through.
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  50. ​ @TheImperatorKnight  They can't both take over businesses while also giving those businesses to party members. It's one or the other. Either they are privately owned or state owned. Neither of those options are however socialism. They didn't socialise society. They in fact did the exact opposite by destroying the voice of the people.
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