Comments by "SaBa" (@saba1030) on "A Different Bias"
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@Kasper It's not up to the UK/GB to "rejoin", it's the EU27s decision to wether send an invitation with a long list of "things" which have to be fulfilled to reach the status as a "EU membership candidate", then, if the required things/=EU standards are fulfilled, the negotiations for EU membership can start (could take decades), and only then, if no EU member vetoes, the UK/ GB could be an EU member again. As a third country no other way around, no fast track because of being an ex EU member, no exceptions possible either.
On top of that, after bashing the EU for 40 years there is education needed, about how the EU works and what it is all about, otherwise it doesn't make sense at all, and with the next elections Brexit 2.0 could happen.
Btw, the EU never was an "economic block", but first of all a peace project, which is using trade as one of aspects to keep peace in between the European country's, but also the FOM is doing its work, bringing peace, friendship, solidarity (hopefully) and better understanding of each other into the European family.
Greetings from the EU 😉
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@ david cousins I'm sorry to say, there is no "Swiss deal" available anymore, stated by EU Commission, because off "too much hustle". EFTA or full EU membership are the only options.
Norway (EFTA) stated since 2016 until now, that it'll veto the UK/GB joining EFTA, as they don't want a "trouble maker in their club".
"Reversing/re-joining" the EU isn't possible either, stated by EU Commission: no "fast track" for any country in the world, not even for Ukraine, being at war.
Therefor the following procedures will/have to take place: the UK/GB has to ask for the EUs "application form" which comes with a very long list of issues following the CopenhagenCriteria, which have to be fulfilled. If by then non of any of the EU27 member states has vetoed the UK/GB joining the EU, the UK/GB might get the status as a "candidate for EU membership", and then the real negotiations with the EU start, which could take decades.
No exceptions for any country in the world.
Forgot to say: there is severe education needed about the EU, how it works and what it's all about, should allready start at school. If you're interested, have a look up about Robert Schuman, the "father of Europe" and his idea of an European Union, which started in the 1920s.
Greetings from the EU
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@lellyparker Five years ago the EU27 negotiators offered ALL available deals/treaties/modells to the UK/GB, which the British Gvt refused vehemently all the time, because:
the British negotiators were demanding continiously full access to the SM without any of the coming duties with it, which is the case with all of the mentioned before treaties (Swiss modell, Norwegian modell = EFTA).
This was the attitude, the EU is calling:cherry picking/ fairy tale dream of the Brexiteers.
Meanwhile the "Swiss modell" isn't available anymore, as stated by the EU Commission, because of "too much hustle". And Norway (EFTA) is stating since 2016, that it'll veto the UK/GB joining the EFTA, as they don't want a "trouble maker in their club".
The only option is joining the EU as a full member, but therefor the UK/GB has to go the official way like any other country now, applying for EU membership by fulfilling the Copenhagen Criteria. No "fast track", no exceptions for any country in the world, as the EU Commission stated recently, not even for Ukraine, being at war.
Greetings from the EU
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@binkyboobosh1 NO.
It doesn't matter, if you or the UK/GB "do or don't accept" the four freedoms, as they are always coming along with the all mentioned before issues:
SM, four freedoms, paying the membership fee, accepting the European High Court = full EU membership.
That or none of it, no "cherry picking" or exceptions for any country in the world, as the SM is the core/heart of the EU and therefor highly protected.
Btw, the EU27 are fine without the UK/GB. The EU27 has moved on, Brexit is no subject anymore, as written before, infact the EU27 have progressed quite well since Brexit.
Being "usefull for the EU" is no criteria for anything.
For your better understanding of how the EU works and what it's for I recommend to look up for Robert Schuman, the "father of Europe" (born in Luxembourg, then German, later French), who's idea of the European Union started in the 1920s.
Greetings from the EU
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@terrydaktyllus1320
To "re-join" no negotiations are needed, but it goes like that only:
the UK has to apply for EU membership by fulfilling the Copenhagen Criteria FIRST (which would be monitored by the EUs Commission), if NONE of the EU27 member states vetos the UK/GB joining the EU again, only then the UK/GB would receive the status as a "candidate for EU membership ", and then the 35 chapters (which would be monitored by the EUs Commission) have to be fulfilled/implemented properly (if not done properly, joining process stops instantly), which could take decades.
No exceptions, no cherry picking, no fast track, no opt outs, as stated by various EU spokesmen/negotiators recently.
It's mandatory for ALL NEW EU member states, to join the Schengen area and adapt the €/Euro, as soon as the new EU member state has a stabile enough economy.
Estimated time needed for joining the EU is about 15+ years AFTER fullfilling the Copenhagen Criteria, as stated by various EUs negotiators/spokesmen, they know about the needed timespan due to experience of other countries joining process.
At the moment the UK is moving away from fulfilling the Copenhagen Criteria.
Also needed urgently in the UK is education about the EU, how it works and what it's for, that there is a Parliament (with PR) and its democratic elected MEPs working on behalf of the democratic elected EU27 member states Gvts and their 450ish million citizens, otherwise the UKs electorate might vote "leave" again at the following GE, and the EU27 definetely wouldn't want a "Brexit 2.0 " again.
Greetings from the EU27 🖐
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@horatio8213
It's all available in the Inet, which all of us are using here...
Giving you a hint... first one was agreed 1945, that the NEW Polish-German border will be the
"Oder-Neisse-border", while Poland would loose territory to Russia, Belarus and Ukraine, because Russia wanted that Polish land.
Compensation for those Polish losses on its eastern borders would be the German territories on its western borders.
Those new borders, which were decided by the Allies, got confirmed various times again, 1970, 1989, 1990....
Germany lost 20% of its eastern territory to Poland, those territories were East-and West Pomerania, Silesia.
Btw, before doing the usual "German bashing", it might enlighten you, to look up about your own history about the so called "British Empire = invading, occupation, so called colonialism", which had cost about 165 million peoples lifes....
nothing really, to be "proud about" either...
Add on: it's like with the NIP/Windsor agreement, when the UKs Gvt would "leave" the ECHR, the TCA and the NIP/Windsor agreement would be "crashed" as well, because being in the ECHR is part of the TCA and NIP/Windsor agreement.
Same goes for those International treaties, those agreed borders are fixed, if one gets "moved", the other borders agreed in those treaties would be
"at the disposal" again...
Greetings from the EU27 🇪🇺🖐
Edit typo/autocorrect
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