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The CIA website has a PDF file with the following name.
“Memoranda for the President: Japanese Feelers”
The following is an excerpt from that PDF:
“12 May 1945
MEMORANDUM FOR THE PRESIDENT:
The following information, transmitted by the OSS representative in Bern,9 originates with a German source, an authority on the Far East who is
considered anti-Nazi but pro-Japanese:10
The source, on 11 May, talked with Shunichi Kase, the Japanese Minister to Switzerland. He reports that Kase expressed a wish to help arrange for a cessation of hostilities between the Japanese and the Allies. Kase reportedly considers direct talks with the Americans and the British preferable to negotiations through the USSR,11 because the latter eventually would increase Soviet prestige so much that the whole Far East would become Communist.
Kase allegedly believes that one of the few provisions the Japanese would insist upon would be the retention of the Emperor as the only safeguard against Japan's conversion to Communism. Kase feels that Under Secretary of State Grew, whom he considers the best US authority on Japan, shares this opinion.
Added by hand: Should we pursue this? Donovan”
This PDF file shows that the Government of Japan was asking the United States to talk the end of the war. And it was recorded that they admitted defeat and argued that maintaining the emperor system was the only condition for surrender, which was necessary to prevent Japan from becoming a communist nation.
The draft of the Potsdam Declaration was supervised by Joseph Grew, a former ambassador to Japan.
The draft contained a sentence that allowed the continuation of the emperor system.
Because Grew was known the above information, knew well why Japan wanted the continuation of the Emperor System, and knew that Japan would surrender as soon as the Potsdam Declaration allowed the continuation of the Emperor System.
This Grew’s effort is proven by the Truman memoir.
It says:
"Grew arrived at the end of May and suggested to make a declaration urging Japan to surrender. The declaration provided Japan with a guarantee that the United States would allow the Emperor to remain head of state."
"I told him that I had already considered this issue and that (Grew's suggestion) seemed like a sound opinion."
However, when Truman annouced the Potsdam Declaration, the sentence that allowed the continuation of the emperor system had removed from the declaration.
It was because the atomic bomb was completed the day before the declaration.
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@imrnadit
The attack on Pearl Harbor was not the reason for the atomic bombing.
And, as it has been said, it was neither to avoid landing operations nor to end the war early.
Those atomic bombings were examinations.
The US’s purposes of dropping the atomic bomb in Japan:
1. Experiments on how the atomic bomb destroys and kills living cities and people
2. Experiments on contamination by radioactivity and its effects on the human body
3. Demonstration to the Soviet Union
It seems less well known that after the atomic bombing, a US general announced that "we have succeeded in the atomic bombing examination."
After the end of the war, the United States established the Atomic Bomb Casualty Commission (ABCC) in Hiroshima and Nagasaki and began investigating the effects of radioactivity.
ABCC put people who were harmed by atomic bombs in their facility saying they would treat those pacients.
But no treatment was given. Never.
They took blood from survivors, photographed wounds and keloids, recorded their condition, took organs when they died.
They sent those organs and etc. to the United States as samples with various investigations and records.
On the other hand, the treatment of Japanese doctors was banned. Their medical records were taken away and the request for medicine to the Red Cross was stopped.
In addition, by GHQ, it was banned to report all of above things about ABCC and GHQ.
ABCC announced in 2018 that they had not treated the survivors.
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@zzasDDAA1
The following is a testimony of a honest Korean
“Japan had never slaughtered us Koreans before and during the war.
On the contrary, we slaughtered the Japanese. Especially at the end of the war, we slaughtered many Japanese, slaughtered up to more than 200,000 Japanese, and also robbed and raped them.
In the North Korean territory, it is said that there are as many as 8,000 Japanese remains that are currently known, and it is said that the massacre would be more than 10 times that number.
South Korea is a country where human bones come out from here and there after a little construction. Because if they kill it, they will bury it. Many Japanese believe that many Japanese were slaughtered in the North Korean territory, but to be clear, it's not.
Many Japanese were slaughtered by South-Koreans" just because the truth was buried because GHQ banned criticism of Korea.
What's worse than North Korea is that it doesn't even bury its remains, it doesn't know where it was buried, and it's still unknown where and who was buried.
Before that, they has pretended that they didn't do the slaughter itself.”
The United States is a record demon. They would have also recorded the postwar occupation of the Korean Peninsula. The record will be disclosed in the future. I am looking forward to that time.
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The CIA website has a PDF file with the following name.
“Memoranda for the President: Japanese Feelers”
And, the following is an excerpt from that.
“12 May 1945
MEMORANDUM FOR THE PRESIDENT:
The following information, transmitted by the OSS representative in Bern,9 originates with a German source, an authority on the Far East who is
considered anti-Nazi but pro-Japanese:10
The source, on 11 May, talked with Shunichi Kase, the Japanese Minister to Switzerland. He reports that Kase expressed a wish to help arrange for a cessation of hostilities between the Japanese and the Allies. Kase reportedly considers direct talks with the Americans and the British preferable to negotiations through the USSR,11 because the latter eventually would increase Soviet prestige so much that the whole Far East would become Communist.
Kase allegedly believes that one of the few provisions the Japanese would insist upon would be the retention of the Emperor as the only safeguard against Japan's conversion to Communism. Kase feels that Under Secretary of State Grew, whom he considers the best US authority on Japan, shares this opinion.
Added by hand: Should we pursue this? Donovan”
This PDF file shows that the Government of Japan was asking the United States to talk the end of the war. And it was recorded that they admitted defeat and argued that maintaining the emperor system was the only condition for surrender, which was necessary to prevent Japan from becoming a communist nation.
The draft of the Potsdam Declaration was supervised by Joseph Grew, a former ambassador to Japan.
The draft contained a sentence that allowed the continuation of the emperor system.
Because Grew was known the above information, knew well why Japan wanted the continuation of the Emperor System, and knew that Japan would surrender as soon as the Potsdam Declaration allowed the continuation of the Emperor System.
This Grew’s effort is proven by the Truman memoir.
It says:
"Grew arrived at the end of May and suggested to make a declaration urging Japan to surrender. The declaration provided Japan with a guarantee that the United States would allow the Emperor to remain head of state."
"I told him that I had already considered this issue and that (Grew's suggestion) seemed like a sound opinion."
From the fact above, we can see no landing operations or atomic bombs were needed for the early end of the war.
However, when Truman annouced the Potsdam Declaration, the sentence that allowed the continuation of the emperor system had removed from the declaration.
It was because the atomic bomb was completed the day before the declaration.
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This video is just an example of "what can happen in general when an atomic bomb is dropped on a city".
Therefore, it does not say how the GHQ, which occupied Japan after the end of the war, including Hiroshima and Nagasaki, actually treated the Japanese who were injured / adversely affected by these atomic bombs.
For example, after the end of the war, the United States established the Atomic Bomb Casualty Commission (ABCC) in Hiroshima and Nagasaki and began investigating the effects of radioactivity.
ABCC put people who were harmed by atomic bombs in their facility saying they would treat those pacients.
But no treatment was given. Never.
They took blood from survivors, photographed wounds and keloids, recorded their condition, took organs when they died.
They sent those organs and etc. to the United States as samples with various investigations and records.
On the other hand, the treatment of Japanese doctors was banned. Their medical records were taken away and the request for medicine to the Red Cross was stopped.
In addition, by GHQ, it was banned to report all of above things about ABCC and GHQ.
ABCC announced in 2018 that they had not treated the survivors.
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@infidelheretic923
Over the last two years, you have seen what happened all over the world, and from what nation the cause came from. Didn't you realize that they were willing to lie for their benefit? Nevertheless, I don't understand why you only believe in their claims.
It was Chiang Kai-shek who announced that the Japanese army had carried out a massacre in Nanjing. But, Chiang Kai-shek escaped before the Japanese troops arrived in Nanking. He had the Shanghai reporters write the articles as he requested.
CCP insists that the number of victims is 300,000 “for now”, but the number of unarmed people in Nanjing the National Revolutionary Army announced before fled from Nanjing was 200,000.
And when the Japanese troops left Nanjing, there were about 250,000 citizens in Nanjing. It can be confirmed from multiple documents that there were 250,000 "alive" citizens at that time.
The reason why the number of people is larger than the number announced by the National Revolutionary Army is that Nanjing citizens who had been evacuated for fear of fighting returned Nanking.
In order for all of the above to happen at the same time, it means that 350,000 refugee Nanjing citizens "inadvertently" returned to Nanjing during the massacre.
I don't think such a many Nanjing citizens were such a stupid.
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@infidelheretic923
It was Chiang Kai-shek & Communist Party Allied Forces that started the war with Japan.
Chiang Kai-shek had received funds and weapons from the Western Powers in the name of destroying the Communist Party.
However, at one point, he was caught by the Communist Party(Xi'an Incident). He was threatened to "If you finish destroying the Communist Party, you will not be able to make money in the war. Instead of destroying the Communist Party, fight with Japan. Or..." He agreed.
This was also supported by Europe and the United States, which were worried that Japan would gain China's interests due to the creation of Manchuria with the backing of Japan.
Today, Manchuria is said to be a nation that Japan cut from China and colonized, but that is not true.
Prior to the Manchurian Incident, Chinese warlords frequently attacked civilians, including Japanese civilians.
They were like gangsters.
Civilians who could not withstand the victims of robbery, rape, kidnapping and murder sought help from the Japanese Kwantung Army.
The Kwantung Army was a security unit of the South Manchuria Railway that was ceded by Russia after the Russo-Japanese War.
The Kwantung Army wiped out the warlords to restore security in Manchuria. This mopping operation is called the Manchurian Incident.
It is true that Manchuria was founded with the backing of Japan's economy and military power, but it was a nation for the Manchurian people by Manchuria people.
Japan made a huge investment, cultivated with the people of Manchuria, developed soybeans that grow even in cold regions, and transformed Manchuria into one of the world's leading soybean producing nations.
It was clear that if Japan continued this on an ethnic basis, the West would lose their interests in China, that is, they would not be able to exploit China.
In the Marco Polo Bridge Incident, the Chinese National Revolutionary Army fired at the Japanese army, but Japan, which was based on non-expansion, immediately started peace talks, and the negotiations were about to end within a month.
However, at that time, about 200 non armed Japanese were slaughtered in Tongzhou, a Japanese settlement. These victims included infants, children, women and the elderly. All men were killed after being tortured, such as being tied up with ropes and dragged around, and all women were cruelty killed after being raped. The misery photos of Japanese women’s bodies can be seen in the photos stolen by the book:“Rape of Nanjing”.
Shortly thereafter, an assassination of a Japanese officer took place in Shanghai.
Both were terrorist attacks by the Chinese side, and negotiations failed.
Many Japanese(about 20,000) in China had gathered in Shanghai to evacuate to Japan for fear of Chinese attacks. Chiang Kai-shek troops besieged Shanghai to attack these unarmed Japanese, and the Japanese troops responded.
This was the China-incident, and the war began.
In other words, it is taught all over the world that “Japan invaded China” or "Japan fought Chiang Kai-shek for the purpose of invading China," but that is not true.
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@comandercarnis
Prior to the attack on Pearl Harbor, Japan conducted diplomatic negotiations with the United States to lift the embargo.
Almost entirely at the request of the United States, including the withdrawal from China, the United States further requested the immediate withdrawal of Japanese troops from the continent, and there was no guarantee that Japan would lift the ban.
This is the same as giving Manchuria and the Korean Peninsula, which have made large investments, to Chiang Kai-shek and the Communist Party forces or the Soviet Union or the both.
And that means that the lives and property of the Manchus, Koreans, and Japanese who were there will be deprived.
If the Soviet Union acquires the Korean Peninsula, the Japanese archipelago is also in danger of aggression.
The United States knew that Japan would never accept it and demanded it.
From the handle name, I think you know the above.
So why do you think the United States made even more unacceptable demands without a guarantee to lift the embargo when Japan said it would gradually withdraw from China?
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@blackwatchpilot5329
Sigh
As I already mentioned above, it was Chiang Kai-shek & Communist Party Allied Forces that started the war with Japan, by slaughtering many unarmed Japanese and repeatedly attacking the Japanese army.
Prior to the attack on Pearl Harbor, Japan conducted diplomatic negotiations with the United States to lift the embargo.
Almost entirely at the request of the United States, including the withdrawal from China, the United States further requested the immediate withdrawal of Japanese troops from the continent, and there was no guarantee that Japan would lift the ban.
This is the same as giving Manchuria and the Korean Peninsula, which have made large investments, to Chiang Kai-shek and the Communist Party forces or the Soviet Union or the both.
And that means that the lives and property of the Manchus, Koreans, and Japanese who were there will be deprived.
If the Soviet Union acquires the Korean Peninsula, the Japanese archipelago is also in danger of aggression.
The United States knew that Japan would never accept it and demanded it.
So why do you think the United States made even more unacceptable demands without a guarantee to lift the embargo when Japan said it would gradually withdraw from China?
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@atlas3556
It was Chiang Kai-shek who announced that the Japanese army had carried out a massacre in Nanjing.
But, Chiang Kai-shek escaped before the Japanese troops arrived in Nanking. He had the Shanghai reporters write the articles as he requested.
CCP insists that the number of victims is 300,000 today.
On the other hand, the number of unarmed people in Nanjing that the National Revolutionary Army announced before fled from Nanjing was 200,000.
And when the Japanese troops left Nanjing, there were about 250,000 citizens in Nanjing. This number of 250,000 is the number that John Rabe also wrote in his diary.
The reason why the number of people after leaving of Japanese troops is larger than the number announced by the National Revolutionary Army is that Nanjing citizens who had been evacuated for fear of fighting returned Nanking.
If all of these are correct, it means 350,000 people of Nanjing, who had been evacuated for fear of fighting, inadvertently returned to Nanjing during the genocide.
in another words, it means that people who think masscre was exist, regards 350,000 Nanjing citizens, who had the talent and resources to evacuate for fear of fighting, did such a terribly stupid thing.
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It was Chiang Kai-shek who announced that the Japanese army had carried out a massacre in Nanjing.
But, Chiang Kai-shek escaped before the Japanese troops arrived in Nanking. He had the Shanghai reporters write the articles as he ordered.
CCP insists that the number of victims is 300,000 today.
On the other hand, the number of unarmed people in Nanjing that the National Revolutionary Army announced before fled from Nanjing was 200,000.
And when the Japanese troops left Nanjing, there were about 250,000 citizens in Nanjing. This number of 250,000 is the number that John Rabe also wrote in his diary.
The reason why the number of people after leaving of Japanese troops is larger than the number announced by the National Revolutionary Army is that Nanjing citizens who had been evacuated for fear of fighting returned Nanking.
If all of the above are correct, it means 350,000 people of Nanjing, who had been evacuated for fear of fighting, inadvertently returned to Nanjing during the genocide.
in another words, it means that people who think masscre was exist, regards 350,000 Nanjing citizens, who had the talent and resources to evacuate for fear of fighting, did such a terribly stupid thing.
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@DevinMacGregor
First, It was to prevent the invasion to Japan from Russia / Soviet Union / Communist forces that fought the Russo-Japanese War, Japan annexed Korean empire, became the backing of Manchuria, and fought against Chiang Kai-shek & CCP Union.
It was Chiang Kai-shek & Communist Party Allied Forces that started the war with Japan by repeatedly attacking Japanese people and troops.
I mentioned the Tongzhou incident and the assassination of Shanghai, but even before the Manchurian Incident, there were frequent cases of harassment, looting and rape kidnapping etc. of Japanese by Chinese warlords.
During the Boxer Rebellion, each country sent PKO troops to China to protect the lives and property of their people.
However, due to the Spanish flu epidemic, troops from Western countries returned.
The countries that returned the army at this time entrusted the Japanese army to protect the lives and property of their people.
Thus, the Japanese army became the target of China's expulsion activities.
Chiang Kai-shek had received funds and weapons from the Western Powers in the name of destroying the Communist Party.
However, at one point, he was caught by the Communist Party(Xi'an Incident). He was threatened to
“If you finish destroying the Communist Party, you will not be able to make money in the war. Instead of destroying the Communist Party, fight with Japan. Or..."
He agreed and teamed up the communists party.
This was also supported by Europe and the United States, which were worried about losing their property in China.
Western countries had supported Chiang Kai-shek.
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@DevinMacGregor
You said Japan was aiming to expand into the Pacific Ocean.
However, Japan moved south to the Pacific Ocean in order to break the Allied embargo siege.
Please check the time series again. The Japanese army attacked the colonial forces of Southeast Asian countries on the same day as the attack on Pearl Harbor.
Entry into Indochina was done with the permission of France. The purpose was to stop the supply from the West to Chiang Kai-shek & CCP Union.
And the ultimate goal of this was to end the war in China.
As MacArthur said in his Senate speech shortly after his return, the Japanese war was for security.
Japan did not want the aggression to expand.
Prior to the attack on Pearl Harbor, Japan conducted diplomatic negotiations with the United States to lift the embargo.
Almost entirely at the request of the United States, including the withdrawal from China, the United States further requested the immediate withdrawal of Japanese troops from the continent, and there was no guarantee that Japan would lift the embargo.
This is the same as giving Manchuria and the Korean Peninsula, which have made large investments, to Chiang Kai-shek & the Communist Party forces or the Soviet Union or the both.
And that means that the lives and property of the Chinese, Manchus, Koreans, and Japanese people who were there will be deprived.
If the Soviet Union acquires the Korean Peninsula, the Japanese archipelago is also in danger of aggression.
The United States knew that Japan would never accept it and demanded it.
Why do you think the United States made even more unacceptable demands without a guarantee to lift the embargo when Japan said it would gradually withdraw from China?
Dexter Hull handed over Hull Note with the above contents to Japan and ended diplomatic negotiations.
This note was a kind of declaration of war. Therefore, this Hull Note should have been scrutinized by Congress. But the Roosevelt administration did not.
What do you think about it?
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