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How can you ever have equality when there are Corporate Democrats and Republicans in the World? Remember when the self professed “Liberal” Obama said to an African audience in Johannesburg, “Ultimately, if you think about all the youth that everybody has mentioned here in Africa, if everybody is raising living standards to the point where everybody has got a car and everybody has got air conditioning, and everybody has got a big house, well, the planet will boil over”. Now that we know the old saying of “Growing the Pie” is garbage. No matter how ingenious humans believe themselves to be; in a finite world, there is clearly a limit to the size of the pie or the height of the water level in “a rising tide lifts all boats”. Consider the irony of Obama telling Africans “the World” can’t afford for them to develop to Western standards.
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I see Hartmann is still doing his part to divide Americans on behalf of the plutocratic class. It wasn't enough to push the lies of the now defunct Russiagate for four years along with the mainstream media to protect the corrupt Democratic establishment (e.g. Clinton, Podesta, Wassermann-Schultz); Hartmann is now using selective polling data to enrage the emotions of the gullible. Hartmann and his plutocratic masters have spent years massaging the emotions of these buffoons, and now the plutocrats are going in for the “Divide-and-Conquer” kill. Don't these dolts realize that Hartmann is one contributor in the plutocrats' vast Divide-and-Conquer strategy? Don't these dullards realize that even the Republican establishment is also complicit in this plutocrat Divide-and-Conquer scam? Haven’t any of these rubes ever read the “Two minutes of Hate” in Orwell’s “1984”? Can’t they understand they are being played like a fiddle? Don’t they understand the plutocrats are using Orwell’s book as a playbook for their control strategy? Hartmann, the Democratic establishment, and the plutocrats themselves well understand that when the rubes only run on emotion, whatever residual reasoning and analytical skills the rubes may possess is significantly compromised.
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Remember the words of Milton Friedman, "The only function of a corporation is to maximize the wealth of the shareholders". Capitalism is a system where psychopaths can thrive.
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Hartmann would have you believe all will be well when Trump is gone from office. He would like you to forget that Clinton brought in NAFTA; deregulated Wall Street, and stripped much of the social security safety-net away from the people. All with the help of the Koch funded Democratic Leadership Council and the Clinton-Gore "New Democrat" "Third Way". Then we had Obama who refused to prosecute the Iraq war criminals "Don't look back"; failed to prosecute the Banksters that stole trillions from the American people; started nine new imperial wars and continued Bush's imperial wars while trying to sell Obamacare written by lobbyists for the benefit of Wall Street. Maybe it's time the majority learned the makeup of the political stratification in the US. I would like to start with the name change of Democratic Party to Liberal Democratic Party so as to differentiate them from the Progressive movement. First there are the Neoliberal-Neoconservative Republicans; these have the same political goals as the Neoliberal-Neoconservative Liberal Democrats except the Liberal Democrats feign interest in the working class and use identity politics to differentiate themselves from their bipartisan cohorts in crime. Political differentiation is important as it gives the illusion of choice. Unlike the Liberal Democrats, the Republicans are rather honest in their intent. Neglecting the Trump primary deception, the Republicans don't pretend to consider the working class or the poor; they revel in their attempts to introduce Malthusian-Eugenic Darwinian Capitalism and exploiting those who need a religious crutch, food to eat, and shelter. And secretly the Liberal Democrats are with them all the way to the bank. Then we have the “Progressive”. The label of “Progressive” has been so badly corrupted I don’t know where to start. Sometimes Hartmann describes himself as progressive while he attempts to sell you Pelosi who is for imperial wars, the interests of Wall Street and is silent on Medicare for All; Hartmann also tries to sell you on individuals such as the Wall Street puppet and Chair of the DNC, Tom Perez. To many, this deception of conflating “Progressive” with “Liberal” should be obvious, but far too many who haven’t been paying attention to current events still believe they are synonyms. Nothing could be further from the truth! The second most accurate description I have ever heard for a “Liberal” is as a “Political Ratchet”. A Political Ratchet is sometimes known as the “Ratchet Effect on American Politics” and is used to ensure Wall Street always wins. To benefit Wall Street, the Liberal Democrats are in bed with the Republicans to continually move the Overton window to the right. The Liberals may feign outrage at some Republican policy but as the Republicans retreat, the Democrats give a little ground. Yes, this death of a thousand cuts is an excellent strategy to deceive the population over decades. Even Obama admits his policies thirty years ago would have been considered moderate Republican. And the last major role of the Liberal Democrats is to feign progressivism with their Trump rants and feign support of the “Minorities” through their identity politics. The most accurate description I have ever heard for a “Liberal” Democrat is someone feigning as being of the people while conspiring with the Republicans to ensure the Real Progressives never take power. So I hope you can tell the difference between a Progressive and a Liberal. Examples of Real Progressives are Chris Hedges and Max Blumenthal and examples of Liberals are Nancy Pelosi, Dianne Feinstein, Chuck Schumer, and yes, Hartmann . If you read his work, even Charles Koch describes himself as a “Liberal”. For anyone who believes the Democratic Party has ever been anything different, I suggest you research the demise of the most popular candidate Henry Wallace at the 1944 DNC convention. If you wish to go further into the history of the Democratic Party, may I suggest you read about the alliance between the Democrat William M. (Boss) Tweed and the Rail Robber Barons of the late 1800s.
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You don't appear to understand that Hartmann works for Wall Street and the Democratic establishment. This is just a dog and pony show to keep the Left and the Right at each others throats. After all, the recent scare of both progressive and conservative constituents agreeing on health care and tax reform must have scared the plutocrats silly. It's Hartmann's job to continue the Plutocrats' Divide-and-Conquer strategy. And as for the politicians you believe are working for your interests, learn from George Carlin: "Forget the politicians. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don't. You have no choice. You have owners. They own you. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations. They’ve long since bought and paid for the senate, the congress, the state houses, the city halls, they got the judges in their back pockets and they own all the big media companies so they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear."
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How can you filter out the white supremacists and psychopaths from the military; there would be no one left except some gullible fools who will eventually attempt suicide when they learn they have been thrown into the deep end to secure resources and future markets for the oligarchs. Eventually, most will come to realize they are only fighting to thicken the wallets of those who actually own the United States. And all I hear from Pocan, the Chair of the Congressional (Not-So-Progressive and more Corporate Liberal) Caucus, is more Biden tainted promises that will never be realized. How can the corporate puppets in Washington compromise future earnings of the Military Industrial and Intelligence Complex; Northrop Grumman, Boeing and Raytheon’s stock prices will go down? One of the US’s major exports is military hardware along with imperialism wrapped in the fealty of “Freedom & Democracy”. The manufacturing centers for military hardware have been strategically located in each state so any pain in reduced demand will certainly hurt the interests of someone. And as for accountability, there is already $21 trillion unaccounted for at the Pentagon and $35 trillion in Accounting Changes in One Year; maybe they should attempt to find those missing trillions first. Again; so much speculation and talk, so little action while the US taxpayer gets taken to the cleaners. You have got as much chance of Pocan working for the people, as supporting the movement for M4A. All I can say is, don’t hold your breath waiting for Pocan to act!
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Notice how, when explaining the historical progress and the demise of US Democracy, Hartmann starts with the Powell Memo in 1971 that was the Republican strategy to subvert US Democracy, and then Hartmann says, 02:40 “Boom, that leads directly to Citizens United and then you got a billionaire oligarch running Fox News Network”; HOLD ON, you have left out the best parts of history. You have only included the Republican criminals, what about the criminals in the Democratic Party? Yes, Hartmann continues his rant with emotive labels such as “Rupert Murdoch” and then “Donald Trump”, and apparently, intentionally misses the contribution to this scam by the party he tells everyone to vote for, the Wall Street owned Democratic Party. Notice how Hartman leads Thomas Frank over the part of history where Bill Clinton and Al Gore created the Democratic Leadership Council (DLC) funded by the Koch Brothers; yes, the same GOP Libertarian Koch Brothers that introduced “Citizens United” to allow the oligarchs to buy the elections. The same Koch brothers that introduced “Money is Free Speech” where one’s voice was only limited by the size of one’s wallet. It’s interesting why Hartmann left out this piece of information especially when his diatribes against the subversive Koch and their Libertarianism are legendary. But as soon the Kochs interact with his Democratic Party and Corporate Democrats, you don’t hear a word. Hartman is neither an ignorant nor stupid man so I can only conclude this deception is intentional. Notice how Hartman leads Thomas Frank over the part of history where Bill Clinton and Al Gore also created the “Third Way”; the intentional strategy of formally changing the idea of working for the majority and asking Wall Street to fund the Democratic Party; and here’s the killer; to benefit the workers of America. Notice how Hartmann totally forgets about the deregulation of Wall Street, started by the Reagan administration (Don Regan – Merrill Lynch) and finished by, you guessed it, Bill Clinton. So Hartmann; did that turn out as expected? As you would expect it didn’t work without the Democratic Party removing its cloak of questionable intent and start formally working for Wall Street. The joke of Wall Street is they could hold out the money just out of reach, and move to the right, and the Democrats would follow them. Notice this is the same Hartmann who told you to vote for Hillary. I can still see Hillary, the Wall Street employee and sycophant, paid by Wall Street and owned by Wall Street, and Hartmann leading his audience into the same old strategy of “voting for the lesser of two evils”, where no matter the outcome, Wall Street always wins. Sadly, the more intelligent voters that understand the scam become more and more disheartened. So Hartmann, why the intentional deception; are you working for Wall Street? Are you being paid to keep at least one of the doors of democracy always open for the oligarchs should the Republicans become a complete laughing stock? What’s the scam? Notice how Thomas Frank hints at the scam by saying, 03:10 “You have got to have a second political party if you want to do that; you have to have a party that opposes it if you want to reverse it”, to the query about why the actions of the Reagan era haven’t been reversed. And Thomas Frank is correct when he said, 03:35 “Everything you have said is exactly true”, but what Frank apparently overlooks is the contributions by the Clinton, Gore, the “Third Way” and the Kochs. I have been watching Hartmann for long enough to understand that something is on the nose; but the avoidance and failure to clarify history by Frank disappoints and saddens me. So when I heard Thomas Frank avoid Obama’s complicity in the Wall Street scam, my heart sank. I would expect the Corporate Democrat Hartmann to distort the facts for his masters on Wall Street but I thought Frank was different. I’ve never heard Hartmann admit the Obama administration was selected by Citi Group, but I heard those words come out of Thomas Frank’s mouth when he wasn’t around Hartmann. Guess I was wrong about Frank; he is apparently part of the deception. I can’t watch anymore of this video, too depressing. I guess people get the democratic processes and the governments they deserve.
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At last, Hartmann gives a somewhat accurate account of history. The only parts where Hartmann got it wrong was the 1933 against the Roosevelt administration didn't intend to kill Roosevelt, it was intended to sideline Roosevelt into a puppet ceremonial role (much like there is now in the White House), and have an army of 500,000 selective troops run the administration (If you replace the word "troops" with "Wall Street and Military Industrial Complex executives"; that's fundamentally how the government is run now). And Hartmann was wrong about Roosevelt's intent; Roosevelt was a tool of Wall Street, and just like Obama, Roosevelt was a proficient thespian. Roosevelt betrayed the people when he failed to prosecute the plutocrats that instigated the coup, but he could have done little else as many of those plutocrats owned Roosevelt. I liken Roosevelt's betrayal of the people and democracy to that of Obama when he said, "Look forward, not back"; when Obama intentionally failed to prosecute the torturers and war criminals of the Bush administration. So always remember – “It’s a Big Club, and you ain’t in it”.
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The US is owned by plutocrats that still believe that slavery is justifiable. These psychopathic plutocrats own the only two parties that are allowed to exist in the US. And Black Americans have been targeted directly by the Republicans and Democrats alike. While the Republicans prefer overt exploitation, the Democrats give fake fealty using their scam of "Identity politics" to manipulate the majority into believing there is a democracy; and while you see Pelosi in West African kente cloth cultural makeup pretending to be "Woke", there are politicians like Biden and his historic 1994 Crime-Bill based on a crime-fear strategy that targeted Black Americans and gave a whole new meaning to mass incarceration. The obvious hypocrisy of liberals always astounds me.
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@josephmcnair5543 : Even the communication fails because people have their own definition of the meaning of words. If you look at the history of the word “Liberal”, it has changed many times over the years. Today, the term Liberal is so liberal, and political groups who profess to be “Liberal” have such a broad political spectrum, the term has lost all meaning. This broad “Liberal” approach and being “be all things to all people” is usually designed to attract the populous to a set of vague doctrines. But somehow I suspect that was the intent all the time by individuals such as the minion Hartmann. You can find a definition of Liberal that describes Martin Luther King, just as you can find a definition of Liberal that describes Charles Koch. A Progressive may unwittingly believe they are a Liberal, but that only shows their ignorance of the intentional corruption of the meaning of the word. In other countries like Britain and Australia, the “Liberals” fall on the Conservative side of politics and follow doctrine very similar to that of Libertarians. You may believe you understand the meaning of Liberal, but that is a delusion in isolation; remember most on Wall Street (e.g. Lloyd Blankfein) call themselves Liberals when they would be better described Libertarians. Maybe read a little Orwell, he is excellent at exposing the insidiousness of the intentional corruption of the meaning of words. As for Libertarians, that’s a whole different animal. There are three main types of Libertarian in this world; the wealthy Libertarian (Charles Koch) who gains advantage from Austrian economics; the Libertarian minion (Tom Woods – Mises Institute) who is recruited to promote the Austrian-Libertarian doctrine, and the army of rubes (e.g. Tea Party) that unwittingly and blindly follow the “Freedom, Liberty, Prosperity” garbage the Libertarian minions promote. Don’t just look at both David Koch and Bill Clinton both having tickets on Epstein’s Lolita Express; take a close look at the Clinton-Gore “New Way” Democratic Leadership Council funded by Charles Koch and promoted as a "Liberal" entity. Liberalism is a scam designed to be so nebulous it must create conflict between the poor rubes that latch onto and fiercely protect their own personal definitions of the word. This is why it’s so easy for “Liberals” to support US imperialism; this is why it’s easy for Madeline Albright to kill half a million Iraqi children in the late 1990s by sanctions, for which she has no remorse “It was worth it”, and still be able to promote Hillary’s 2016 campaign. This is what happens when you base your reality on lies. The plutocrats and their Hollywood minions have been corrupting actual history for years. Forget that crap you learned in school and grab yourself a copy of Howard Zinn’s “A People’s History of the United States”. As for the founding fathers, maybe you should read Zinn's book and delve into the Federalist Papers to see what was really going on. Research actual history and you will soon realize you have been sold a scam and there is no difference between the founding fathers and contemporary plutocrats; it’s just that you have either accepted the lies taught to you in school or you like the fairytale and have intentionally blinded yourself to the truth. You appear to have no trouble accepting George Washington slaughtering Native Americans and stealing their land, but throw up your hands in disgust at the smallest personal infraction. Yes; that definitely a “Liberal”.
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Yotn Pez : If you follow the same old failed simplistic strategy (Vote Blue no matter Who), I'll bet you the farm you're having this same conversation in 10 years under deteriorating circumstances; just as you probably had this same conversation 10 years ago. Bush jr. (Cheney) and Obama have set the road for the future in ways you can't even imagine. Mindless speculation, simplistic clichés, and anachronistic platitudes aren't going to prepare you for what is to come. If the people underestimate and fail to recognize their real enemies, and fail to organize, the majority is doomed. Much of the US will resemble the favelas of Brazil in 10 years. Think of this day as the slow start of a Malthusian Eugenics program using the Rahm Emanuel strategy of “You never want a serious crisis to go to waste. And what I mean by that is an opportunity to do things that you think you could not do before.” Through his writings, Roosevelt certainly gave the impression he want to save the system, but remember he had had the Communist, Socialist, and Union movements to use as leverage against the plutocrats. Due to the stupidity, ignorance, engineered fear (e.g. McCarthyism, Russiagate), and apathy of the population; those very useful tools for political change no longer exist. Understand the current system floats on a sea of corruption, as that has always been the Mission Statement of the United States. According to extraordinary gentlemen like Major General Smedley Butler, the good old days were exactly like today; nothing has changed in 100 years. Unlike the erratic and directionless fools of today, Butler understood the plutocrats were psychopathic, strategic, and very intelligent; and what strategic intellect they lacked was recruited to fill the role. What has changed today is the character of the people as the "extraordinary" are very thin on the ground. Those fools of today underestimate their enemy and all that remains is a dying mafia empire, a nation of cretins, the plutocrats positioning themselves using predetermined strategies, and a road to serfdom for the majority; while a few screaming rubes on Google and Facebook who have embedded in their ignorance, only some inclination of what is to come.
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The caller really doesn’t understand the GOP didn’t give us all of Reaganism; the oligarchs gave the job of selling much of the treachery to the "Third Way" Clinton-Gore Democrats. Reagan couldn’t sell NAFTA, the destruction of Social Security, or the repealing of Glass Steagall; but the Democrats were easily able to sell it to the rubes. After you watched Biden promise $2000, remove US involvement in the Yemeni War, and the $15 minimum wage; just watch the slow reversal as Biden shows his true colors. You can now expect to hear a litany of reasons from Biden why these can no longer be achieved. The only honest words to ever come from Biden’s mouth were, “If I’m elected, nothing will change” and that will be seen to be much more honest than Obama's "Hope & Change". But the oligarchs did pick the right man to sell Neoliberalism and Imperialism to the rubes; very few with more than 3 neurons can take a close look at Biden’s history of deceit, lies and plagiary and still take him seriously.
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Thomas, it is interesting to listen to Obama discussing the encroachment of fascism when it has been part of the American political process for centuries. Thomas, remember when you had truth-tellers like Chris Hedges; remember when Chris defined fascism as the mergence of corporation and state. Sadly, the days of Hedges’ truth on any Hartmann program are long gone as much of the Hedges’ truth no longer fits the current narrative. Consider the fact the Obama administration was selected by Citi Group executives; consider the speech of “only looking forward” in his refusal to investigate Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld war crimes. There is much you can consider but one thing is fact; Obama was well aware of US Imperial Fascism long before he took office. So what is Obama doing warning of the encroachment of something that already resides within the US political system? Obama might be an accomplice to the crimes of oligarchy and empire but he is no fool; why is he giving this speech? Is it because fascism is now so obvious even to the lesser fool?
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Why would the Democrats take over the Senate? If they did, they would have no excuse to why they "failed" to implement policy yet again. Remember, Obama owned both houses in his first term and he did NOTHING; so why would the Democrats leave themselves wide open to exposing their fraud by taking responsibility for the Senate. Never going to happen; the Democrats need some form of obfuscation to hide their bipartisan treachery and a "hostile" Senate is the perfect excuse. After all, Biden is now attempting to make excuses ("bring the people together") to install Republicans in his administration. Even an imbecile understands you can't make the treachery too obvious or even Hartmann's audience will be able to pick up on the scam.
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But that's Hartmann's job - to support US Imperialism. Remember when he supported the Washington's overthrow of the elected Bolivian government; remember how Hartmann supported Washington's attempt to crush the elected Venezuelan government and promoted the Washington puppet Guaidó? You should understand by now Hartmann has many priorities - to support US Empire; to ensure the two party system is maintained by pushing his viewers to vote Democrat and never consider a third party; and to help the mainstream media push the establishment's divide and conquer strategies (e.g. Putin, China, Russiagate) or anything that can be used to keep Americans at each other’s throats. It's Hartmann's job to sell his viewers on the mainstream media lies to support the interests of the plutocrats.
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@charliechocolate8276 : I guess you're still looking for Iraqi Weapons of Mass Destruction. Given the US is an Empire and the intelligence agencies work for the plutocrats that benefit from empire, may I suggest you take anything these intelligence agencies release with a grain of salt; and especially if the Clintons are involved. The next time you have such a delusion, may I suggest you remember Colin Powell lying to the World at the UN. Don't be embarrassed; Hartmann's narrative is designed to target those who are a little gullible and have a short attention span.
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Hartmann's job is to continue the plutocrats’ divide-and-conquer strategy as the plutocrats understand the power of the people if they join forces. You might say people are too intelligent to fall for that old scam. I would respond by saying you haven't studied Hartmann's audience. Hartmann knows if he can keep the rubes at each others' throats he will be successful, and his plutocratic masters might even give him a bonus for his effective treachery. If you actually believe most are too intelligent to fall for that old scam, maybe you should direct your attention to the comments. Yes, a quick read of the comments shows Hartmann's manipulative strategy is actually working.
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Unless manufacturing and its associated disciplines (e.g. R&D) are rejuvenated, the US is doomed. It can't exist only with empire, the military industrial complex, and manipulating the financial system (sanctions). If people believe Powell and actually believe they can compensate by printing as much as needed while maintaining historically high levels of consumption; that's the road to eventual dollar devaluation. Wall Street sold out the people decades ago when they exported labor, technology, and manufacturing hardware to developing nations to improve profits. Now they are attempting to get China to shoot itself in the foot; that's not going to happen. The days of exporting US dollars in exchange for goods and services is over; welcome to the new world.
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Careful; Silicon Valley is the liberals' domain of the oppressive FANG (In-Q-Tel) plutocratic system. It's interesting that most of these "liberals" are proponents of the "free market and deregulation"; and many of those "liberals" in the Valley are self-professed Austrian-Libertarians who thrive on anything Neoliberal - deregulation, privatization, etc. Don't you understand, you aren't supposed to ask these awkward questions? That's like asking Hartmann to be critical of war crimes in US foreign policy - Not Going to Happen!
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The elites’ shill from "Columbia" says the Democrats are fighting a symmetrical war - what a load of crap. There is no war between Republicans and Democrats; there is only collusion by both parties against the American people by the elite. What you are observing is a stage act; a choreographed production to give the illusion of democracy. You are watching bipartisan wrestling promoters stimulating your emotions as the wrestlers in the ring give an award willing performance of good-guy bad-guy. With his background in wrestling promotion, it’s no wonder why Trump was selected to run for president; but I digress. What you need to understand is what Biden told Wall Street, "If I get elected, nothing will change". This was probably one of the rare times Biden has told the truth. Democrats and Republicans are just two sides of the same coin. Sure, the Democrats will push the usual "Identity Politics" to take advantage and separate out those who feel isolated, but the actual policies will remain the same and the Democrats will do their utmost to ensure any actual progressive movement within the Democratic Party is stillborn. So if you want a label for this scam, it's called a "Political Ratchet". Do yourself a favor, look it up. So if you are so shallow and pathetic that Trump's demeanor and rhetoric ("grab them by the pussy") has compromised your sensibilities and this is why you want him removed, then vote for Biden. But if you are capable of critical analysis and actually want to stop holding your nose and choking back the vomit while you vote for the lesser evil, it may be time for you to think again.
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@Atmost11 : I'm not quite sure what "Conservative" means. But if you have a look at the Covid19 map, most deaths per million population are occurring in Neoliberal NATO Countries; those countries aligned with US hegemony and imperialism. Understand that Neoliberalism and Libertarian-Austrian Economics are identical; they both promote deregulation, privatization, and they see democracy as a threat. Both the "Right" and the "Corporate Left" have intentionally created an economic and political environment that promotes Malthusian eugenics. It will be interesting to see a demographic analysis of the deaths once this has abated.
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Thomas, haven’t you worked out what is going on. The Republicans main purpose for existence is to herd the voters towards the Democrats and the Democrats main purpose for existence is to herd the voters towards the Republicans. Remember, both parties are funded by the oligarchs, work for the interests of the oligarchs, and have the same oligarchical foreign policy. The only allowable difference is the Democrats are allowed to use the minorities to differentiate themselves from the Republicans. You may think the Electoral College and the host of other electoral mechanisms within the system are designed to benefit either the Democrats or the Republicans – WRONG. They are there to ensure only one of the oligarchs two parties will win. Look at who is allowed into the debates; these two parties are the only options allowed by the oligarchs. The short-term thinking voters are always looking for a way out and the oligarchs who control both parties are happy to oblige. There is a section of these pathetic short-term thinking voters continually believe in their perpetual escape from lies and deceit. With Obama it was an escape from the Hope and Change deception and now we see what Trump is doing to push them the other way. Even a dog will eventually give up and walk away when being teased with the hope of a nice juicy bone, but these cretinous voters just keep on going. They continually allow themselves to be deceived by the multi-billion dollar propaganda MSM election rhetoric even when they know both parties are controlled by Wall Street. And you Thomas intentionally facilitate that farce. How pathetic is that?
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@guyoflife : Yes, that appears to be Hartmann's role in life; keep the rubes distracted by throwing rotten tomatoes at the clown in the Oval Office; make sure these same rubes keep voting for either one of the oligarch's political parties; and continue to push the scam that change (Hope and Change) is possible. it appears Hartmann is the Alex Jones equivalent of the Corporate Democrats. At least Jones admitted in court he is just "role playing" for which he is handsomely remunerated. When will Hartmann also admit he is also controlled opposition being paid to maintain the status quo?
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@guyoflife : Yes, what Hartmann says and does are two totally different things. One minute he makes statements like putting limits on inequality and the next minute he is selling his rubes on Perez and Pelosi; Perez is an oligarch sycophant installed to ensure Wall Street maintains control and all Pelosi can say is "We're all capitalists now" when asked about inequality, the system, and Medicare for all. Hartmann isn't a stupid man but by his inconsistencies he must believe his audience are morons.
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@andrefasset3266 : Many are waking to this reality, but there is a stubborn and self delusional core that continues to believe the lies and deception from establishment pundits like Hartmann and so many others. It's as if this core refuses to acknowledge the corruption of their democratic process and refuses to waken to the fact the US is an Empire that steals their wealth and slaughters foreign innocents for profit. This establishment army of social media deceivers (e.g. Hartmann, Maddow) have been recruited to divide-and-conquer the American people and promote either the Democratic or Republican establishments just to maintain the status quo. As for the timing of the awakening, who knows? Chris Hedges may be correct in his prediction; he is a brilliant man with insights of which I could only dream. I would like to think the full awakening is just around the corner, but maybe that's just being hopeful. What concerns me are the systems the establishment has put in place to deal with just such an awakening - Complete surveillance; Fake news and filtering speech by "Surveillance Valley"; "Terrorist" legislation; Militarized Police; Cheney's NDAA; and never forget Obama's removal of Posse Comitatus that now allows the military to be used as domestic police should the state and county police side with the people. The establishment has learned well from previous uprisings around the planet and has thought of almost everything; but it's those unseen cracks in the system that must be exploited. Many western countries are now passing legislation to shut down any voice deemed too dangerous to "National Security". One example of this legislation is usually sold to the public as protecting the "innocents" on the internet. While they are manipulating your maternal and paternal instincts and emotions, they will be transforming the internet into a place where only "state sanctioned" voices will be allowed to speak, and "state sanctioned" narratives and "truths" will be heard. I expect that to be introduced sometime soon. But until that day arrives, it is our job to attempt to awaken as many of that recalcitrant core as possible.
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@bipolarbear9917 I would be hesitant to dismiss John Kasich's comments too quickly. Unlike Bernie and his pushing of Russiagate, John Kasich has shown his honesty and his commitment to democracy and the people time and time again. Just being ostracized by the corrupt media should give some idea of Kasich's integrity. Unlike Bernie, John Kasich is definitely a rare commodity - an honest politician with a track record to prove it. Kasich has battled corporate monopolies and corruption his whole life to the point where he had a bullet pass through his house just missing his head. If that ever happened to Bernie, you wouldn't see him for dust. Knowing the consequences of exposing the lies of Empire, Kasich went to Syria along with Gabbard to find the facts; you would never see that level of integrity from Bernie. The best you could expect from Bernie would be some off-the-cuff comment criticizing Putin to keep the Clinton-Democratic wolves at bay. The most favorable thing I could say about Bernie is he is politically flexible like so many others (e.g. The Squad). Reforming the electoral system is a nice idea, but the plutocrats are in charge and they aren't going to shoot themselves in the foot. From Gerrymandering to Superdelegates; the whole system has been carefully designed so it can be manipulated by the plutocrats; and they aren't going to change something that works so well anytime soon. If you read the Federalist Papers, you will understand the “Founding Fathers” never intended for the US to be a “democracy”; and it has been ruled by plutocratic families ever since. The stories you are told about the original Constitution and democracy are just Disney folk tales. Over the years, these plutocratic families have coordinated their puppets (politicians) in Washington to get the outcomes they desired. This fake democracy is a useful tool of the plutocrats as it gives the illusion of freedom and democracy. Understand that slaves are much more easily controlled if they are under the illusion they are free. So it’s now the job of the people to make this illusory democracy real. Just after we saw the Clinton “Shadow” App that compromised the Iowa primaries for Sanders, we watched as the Democratic establishment coordinated with their primary candidates to remove themselves from the race (2020) just so Biden would beat Sanders. At the time the establishment appeared to be unsure of Sanders motives and intent, but history has shown they had nothing to worry about. Over the decades, the Democratic establishment has carefully designed the system to filter out real progressives and either eject them from the party or just relocate them into an area where they can do no harm. The Democratic establishment has also designed the system to control the narrative and along with the corrupted media, filter that narrative to only pass what it deems "acceptable" speech. Anything other than "acceptable" speech is severely criticized by the establishment media and the culprits are usually ostracized. This is a coordinated network designed to keep real progressives out of the race independent of which voting system is in place, and independent of the will of the people. If you wish to understand this scam a little further may I seriously suggest you read, "A People's History of the United States", by the great historian Howard Zinn. And if you wish to learn more about the unwinding of Roosevelt's New Deal and how the plutocrats crushed the fledgling democracy after WW2, may I suggest, "One Nation Under God; How Corporate America Invented Christian America", by Princeton history professor Kevin M. Kruse. I'm just speculating, but it may not be too long before Howard Zinn's book is banned.
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@elephantintheroom5678 : I understand that truth can be scary for those embedded in the Clinton-Liberal cult, but may I suggest you get off the Corporate-Liberal Kool-Aid and embrace the reality.
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What Hartmann doesn’t appear to understand about Murdoch is he is one of those plutocrats who moves politicians around as if they were pawns on a chessboard. Murdoch uses his vast media network to create the political landscape that best suits his ideological interests. He has removed prime ministers and installed presidents with the help of the weak minded rubes that believe everything that’s printed. Sure, Trump was a grifter, a liar, and a petulant fool who was able to create fear in the weak minded. Trump was hated, not for his giving tax breaks to the wealthy as Obama did that and not a word was said; not for creating an administration out of Wall Street executives as Obama’s administration was selected by Citi Group; not for putting children in cages as Obama built those cages, but Trump was hated by those weak, pathetic liberals for his demeanor. The affliction of these weak minded cretins was soon named “Trump Derangement Syndrome” and it was real! “Trump Derangement Syndrome” removed the ability to reason from these poor fools and all they could do once afflicted was babble nonsense in one syllable words. Understand Trump was just another in a long line of presidential puppets of the plutocrats. Trump didn’t have the acting or coercive skills required to manipulate the majority of the rubes like Obama. When Obama scammed the rubes by promising “Hope & Change” most actually believed this grifter, but when Trump promised “Drain the Swamp” very few believed him. So I can understand Trump being a one term president; he didn’t have the skills necessary to manipulate, and that’s fatal for a politician. And in that way especially, I’m going to miss trump. If you asked Obama or Biden why the US invaded Iraq; they will give you some garbage about WMDs or some other proven fabrication of the time. But Trump is so stupid he blurts out the truth without even a second thought, “To take the oil”. And he even qualifies further by saying, “To the victor go the spoils”. You won’t hear that level of misplaced honesty from the rest of the lying sleaze in government or the mainstream media; and for that alone, he will be missed.
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If you listen carefully, you will hear the real intent of this program. When T.H. complains about the 00:52 "take apart NATO"; the possible disassembly of NATO, he must have some legitimate argument for it's existence. Maybe if Hillary gets back into office, she can again use NATO to overthrow another legitimate leader like Gaddafi, kill more innocents and turn another thriving state into a Mad Max hell run by warlords and terrorists just to appease the oligarchs that control the Republican and Democratic parties. Maybe T.H. has been paid by the oligarchs to keep the NATO argument alive so the Military Industrial Complex can just keep growing and expanding their extortion around the Planet. To understand intent, you don't listen to what people say; you listen to the Freudians and subtle statements that expose the real intent. Yes, T.H. appears to be a true Corporate Democrat; bought and paid for by the oligarchs. No wonder he 01:47 "doesn't do Israeli politics" or take a firm stand against Israel's atrocities; he gives all the signs of being controlled opposition working for them. I doubt you will ever see Max Blumenthal on the Thom Hartmann Program.
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I'm sorry; might I suggest you read it again. I never said "Republicans as the lesser of two evils". For some reason your brain extracted that interpretation from the text. Take a close look at the text you've interpreted; take a close look at the word "Republicrat"; if you are lucky, you may find an error in your comprehension. “Republicrat” means the oligarchs’ single party. Under this control structure there are the Republicans and Democrats that are allowed to fight it out amongst themselves. But they are all controlled by the same covert oligarchical interests. This is the problem with the lazy and apathetic that makes up the majority; you see what you want to see and hear what you want to hear. But you are not alone; the majority of the population has been programmed to emulate your behavior. Yes, those who are awake live in a land surrounded by these individuals with the attention span of a goldfish and who can be easily programmed by emotion and not reason. And even though democracy is an imperative for freedom, when you see the majority with such a compromised skill set, it makes the idea of democracy truly frightening. These are the type of individuals that are only reacting to a current event in the 24 hour news cycle; they are incapable of seeing the big picture and that's the way the oligarchs want it. Years of selfishness, materialism and mindless acts have lead to this nation of fools. You don't have to go far to observe these mental midgets; just read the comments on MSNBC or CNN and the abundance of ignorance is staggering. These are the type of cretins that support the Iraq War and never question the rhetoric or intelligence lies; these are the type of imbeciles that blame the Podesta emails for the failure of Hillary and are incapable of ever reading and comprehending the content. So what is the fate of a nation of engineered imbeciles; the answer is simple. They are bound to the infinite pendulum and are doomed to swing perpetually between the only two parties allowed by the oligarchs. It’s like tapping the heads of rats in a cage to get them to go where it benefits you. The entirety of the rat’s existence lies within a few seconds of time and the only thing the rat knows is if he goes in a certain direction his instantaneous suffering will lessen.
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@Lee-xb7lb : Don't be a naive fool. It took the power of capitalism for the few to accumulate enough wealth to control governments; it took capitalism to industrialise war and kill millions. Just look at the death toll of the US in their imperial wars since the end of WW2. Twenty percent of the population of North Korea was obliterated and all they infrastructure was destroyed; nearly 4 million killed in the Vietnam War later exposed as a scam for profit. Just look at the Iraq War where Trump said "Take the Oil"; over a million estimated killed. And what about the Clinton associate and psychopath Madeline Albright responsible for the deaths of half a million children. Eighty-five million killed just in the second world war and if the Soviets didn't sacrifice 25 million of their own fighting the two hundred German battalions sent into Operation Barbarossa, we would all be speaking German now. Remember, the combined allied forces only confronted 10 German battalions. So maybe you need to rethink your Hartmann-Libertarian scam of pushing the fake benefits of Capitalism. Maybe you need to cancel your subscription to the Mises Institute and tell Tom Woods to shove his Koch membership where the sun don't shine.
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@Lee-xb7lb : You started quoting Major-General Smedley Butler; it's misleading of you not to finish the quote, "I spent most of my time being a high class muscle-man for Big Business, for Wall Street and for the Bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism." If you want to follow that up, may I suggest you read John Perkins' book, "Confessions of an Economic Hitman".
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@uncontrolledsubstance7705 : You're wasting your time arguing with cretins.
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@Lee-xb7lb : I hear Libertarians all the time quoting Smedley Butler in some pathetic attempt to capture some of this great man's credibility for their own cause. But as soon as you explain Butler's real philosophy or point of view, you can't see these Koch-Libertarians for dust.
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@Lee-xb7lb : You're repeating the old John Birch & McCarthy BS that has resided in the US since the end of WW2. It's no coincidence the FBI was created the same year as the Russian Revolution; these institutions were designed to crush any competition to the plutocrats' capitalism. Sure, you can go down the road of the Austrian-Libertarian BS, but even there you see the plutocrats (Rockefeller Foundation) importing Austrian theory (von Mises) into the US for the benefit of the plutocrats. Everywhere you look, all this Libertarian rhetoric is total BS.
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@Lee-xb7lb : If you are interested, I can even show you the Libertarian "Non-Interventionism" is also BS. What you apparently fail to recognize is what we see today is the result of capitalism. Now if Bernie gets in, he may emulate FDR and save capitalism for a few more decades; but like after Roosevelt, the capitalists with again create institutions to crush democracy and the rights of workers (e.g. American Liberty League, National Association of Manufacturers) and the whole process will repeat. Now what did Einstein say about repeating an experiment again and again, and then expecting different results?
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@Lee-xb7lb : No problem; thanks for listening. And always remember, the historically positive term of "collectivism" may have been coined by Jean-Jacques Rousseau in the 18th century, but it wasn't until the 20th century that this term was then transformed into a pejorative by Charles Koch as a propaganda tool to push his ideology. The is the same Austrian-Libertarian Plutocrat who was behind Washington's assault on Venezuela and who gave you "Citizens United" and "Right to Work".
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@Achrononmaster : You are correct, but Hartmann has a narrative he has been recruited to sell to his rubes. Hartmann uses carefully crafted spin to protect the interests of the plutocrats and Wall Street while pretending to criticize the plutocrats and Wall Street. As the Democrats scam you by using delay tactics such as, "Don't let the perfect compromise the possible" and "Not yet", Hartmann will protect the corporate Democrats and their plutocratic masters until his dying breath while simultaneously pumping out BS (Russiagate) to enrage the rubes and have them at each other's throats. While the rubes are fighting each other, they are not looking at the big scam that's right in front of them. Notice how Hartmann never discusses a "Class War" and never pushes the oppressed on both sides of politics to join forces and fight against the elite. Hartmann has been recruited to apply the plutocrats' tactics of fear and anger to Divide-and-Conquer the rubes that watch his YouTube channel.
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Remember - Hartmann was initially been telling his viewers Julian Assange was guilty of colluding with Chelsea Manning to hack and should be prosecuted.
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@ernststravoblofeld Who says "You aren't meant to". I didn't realize this forum had such well defined strict rules; where can I get a copy. Guess I'd better abide by them or it may make the cretins angry.
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00:15 "What the Democrats should do about this Republican death-worshiping wealth-worshiping cult." The Democrats are part of the problem. They give the superficial appearance of opposition to manipulate the rubes, but if you look closely you will see they are in lock-step with the Republicans. In reality, you have no choice; you can either vote for fascist or fascist-lite. As Pelosi said, "We are all capitalists now!" The Democrats have to uphold their "Identity Politics" scam to create the illusion of difference, but mark my words; they too will eventually screw you - the same as the Republicans. Unless you haven't noticed folks, this is a one-party state - the Republicrats with the illusion of choice they call democracy.
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"If You Are Not a Conspiracy Theorist Then You Are an Idiot" - Charles Pigden. What better way for the Thom Hartmann Program to scam the people than to tell them they are fools if they even contemplate a DNC conspiracy? Isn't it more rational to engage your brain and start joining the dots than to sit back passively and potentially allow yourself to get screwed? So what are these dots of which you should be so concerned? Bernie was leading in the Iowa polls (30%); the vote count was corrupted by an app written by a company named "Shadow Inc"; Shadow Inc has links to Obama's and Clinton's campaign staff; records show Pete Buttigieg recently paid $42K to Shadow Inc; and now after the caucus members have counted the votes from other members, the DNC has now "nominated" itself to count Bernie's votes. Do you smell a rat? And never forget one important strategic fact - Turmoil favors the Establishment. As time passes, some of these points may be strengthened and some may be weakened, and new Machiavellian scams may also be exposed. We may even be given absolute proof of corrupt intent such as the 2016 Podesta emails by WikiLeaks that very few actually read. So, sit back and watch as the Democratic establishment proves yet again, it would prefer Trump to win than a true progressive to take power.
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Thomas, here you go again. Bush didn’t lie. To lie, you must be aware of what you are saying is false. Without Cheney, Bush would have had a hard time knowing what day it was. So it’s not rational to accuse an ignoramus of lying when they don’t understand their own intent. As for Oprah, she would make an excellent president but not for the reasons you might think. The primary role of a puppet president is to manipulate their moron base and I believe Oprah would do that well. In fact, being involved in the entertainment industry and being able to act should be prerequisites for the role of puppet president. One of the most successful presidents was an accomplished actor and he knew how to manipulate his base (Reagan). Reagan was selected by the oligarchs to sell Supply-Side economics to the fools and they bought it hook, line and sinker. So when Reagan said on behalf of his oligarch masters, if we push all the wealth to the top and it will trickle down, no one questioned his statement. Thomas, you assume the president uses their intellect to make decisions – wrong. The role of president is ceremonial as the real decisions are made within the Deep State. So yes, Oprah would make an excellent president. She has the ability to hold an audience of fools for an extended period of time and convince them they are super intelligent and have the world at their feet. What else do you need in a president other than to convince delusional people they are exceptional and live in an indispensable nation? When you have attained this level of self delusion, state propaganda filtered through a corrupt media works much more effectively. So Thomas, you say Americans want an outsider – that’s not possible. Sure the Corporate Democrats may be more Main street friendly than the Corporate Republicans but neither side will ever allow an outsider. The system is setup not to allow an outsider into the race; you of all people should understand that fact. And even if an outsider slipped through the impenetrable filter they could only achieve two terms of damage to the oligarchs. And if they were too much of an impending threat, there is also the JFK option. So if Oprah were elected, she certainly wouldn’t be working for the people.
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But Hartmann's job is to make excuses for, and sell you on the Democratic establishment before the next election. The Democrats didn't betray you, they just had a bad run of luck; or they just "miscalculated" or they made a "mistake"; or the Republican resistance was too strong. Just pick one - LMAO.
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@mischevious I believe "cognitive dissonance" is too kind as that infers some ignorance and a lot of internal conflict. I believe the words treachery, betrayal, and being paid for services rendered, describe the Hartmann condition more accurately. Hartmann is just a microcosm of the Democratic Party itself.
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@mischevious : If it was only Hartmann pushing "the lesser of two evils"; but Hartmann also pretends he is a "Progressive" while promoting scams like the now defunct Russiagate to distract from the fact the Democratic establishment screwed the politically flexible Bernie out of his 2016 opportunity. All documented in the Podesta emails; the content of which Hartmann would never discuss. Hartmann first supported the CIA coup of Bolivia and at the start wanted to see Julian Assange prosecuted before he realized his now-obvious treachery was compromising his "progressive" credentials. Hartmann is no Progressive; he is a Clinton corporate imperialist in disguise recruited to support US imperialism and sell the plutocrats the "lesser of two evils" narrative. But Hartmann isn't alone in his treachery, there are many others that push the interests of the plutocrats' corporate establishment at the expense of democracy. So it makes sense when you see Hartmann aligning himself with actual progressives like Richard Wolff to build his fake progressive credentials to scam his audience. Many of his genuine guests (e.g. Thomas Frank) have used Hartmann's platform to get out their "Corporate Liberal" message, but even they have given up in disgust. Even the more strategically intelligent progressives like Chris Hedges well understand the Hartmann scam and now avoid him like the plague. So it makes sense when you see Hartmann selling his viewers on maintaining the status quo for the plutocrats that own and control the US. The panicked expression on Hartmann's face when someone mentions a "third party" makes me laugh. Notice how Hartmann also sells the Democrat "Republican Fear" to his listeners; like tapping rats on the nose in a psychological experiment to ensure they follow the intended path. And Hartmann isn't finished yet; I'm sure the Clinton liberals have a lot more "Trump" fear lined up to ensure two party totalitarianism rules for decades to come. When the "Trump" icon is worn out and is no longer effective at scaring the gullible, I'm sure the new Podestas and Wassermann-Schultzs of the corporate Democrats will ensure there will be another distasteful oaf conveniently selected to irritate the sensibilities of the Limousine liberals sometime soon. And Hartmann will play his part until the money runs out.
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What many fail to understand is the only reason Bernie is allowed to exist within the Democratic establishment is to extend the Obama “Hope & Change“ scam. Hope is a powerful emotion and easily manipulated; and Bernie was allowed by the Democratic establishment to vote against the Defense bill to create some political capital to be used in the future. Why people tend to believe this same scam that gets played out again and again confuses me. Is it because they are just gullible fools, or are they so cowardly, they don’t want to face the reality of the one party antidemocratic state. They would rather stimulate their false hope emotions accepting scammers like Obama or Bernie, or whoever next the plutocrats allow the Democrat establishment to fill that role. Instead of these fake progressives, I wonder why Hartmann doesn’t ever get a real “Progressive” like Chris Hedges on the program who could expose this Bernie scam for what it is?
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@JTuaim : How can you Fact-Check an opinion? You liberals and your persistent "Trump Derangement Syndrome" make me laugh. You must have used Politifact - LMAO. But you have it wrong - Bernie is allowed to remain because "SUCKERS" vote for him. Bernie is an interesting dichotomy in politics. Given the opportunity, he could actually work for the interests of the people; but Bernie also knows where his bread is buttered and will betray the people when asked by the establishment. This makes Bernie very useful to the corporate imperial establishment because suckers will vote for him. Notice how Bernie pushed the now defunct "Russiagate" and never speaks out against US imperial atrocities. Bernie pushed the Venezuelan sanctions that has killed a hundred thousand and caused millions to flee. I never hear Bernie speak on behalf of Julian Assange or do anything to rock the boat; he is just a very useful patsy to attract rubes like you. And because Bernie has some semblance of credibility to the rubes, that makes him more dangerous than Joe Manchin. Try to understand that for politicians like Bernie; when they promote their vote when it would not make any difference to the result, this is nothing more than virtue signalling to generate some political capital. Now if Bernie's lone vote was the reason the defense bill didn't pass, then he would have the right to promote his decision.
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@JTuaim No Bernie is no fool, but he's a duplicitous individual; and that makes him dangerous to those who would trust him. "I fact checked if Thom a ND Chris had talks together" - What's that got to do with what I was talking about. You mindless liberal rubes and your "Trump Derangement Syndrome" make me laugh.
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Why does this sleazy show continue to whitewash war criminals? So the sleaze Friedman changed his mind about the Iraq war of aggression - big deal. I'm sure Hitler was having second thoughts in his bunker at the end of WW2, so what's so different about Friedman? That doesn't show any integrity; that just shows he is a lousy corrupt journalist and a liar. Remember, Friedman works for the same newspaper (NYT) that the great Christopher Hedges discarded without question when he was reprimanded for telling the truth about that same illegal Iraq War. C'mon Hartmann; you must remember Chris Hedges; there was a time long ago he used to be on your show. Thank God he saw the reality of this trashy BS channel that promotes liberal imperialism and hasn't contaminated himself since. C'mon Hartmann; even your audience isn't that gullible and stupid! The only relevant question here is - Is the sleaze Hartmann and his psychiatrist wannabe expecting his audience to actually believe this crap? If you want to talk about psychopaths; talk about the "We came, we saw, he died" liberal psychopath Hillary Clinton or the liberal psychopath Madeline Albright who was responsible for the deaths of half a million Iraqi children from starvation and disease through sanctions and then commented, "It was worth it" on 60 Minutes. Understand that psychopaths in politics are abundant and bipartisan.
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