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I think because people in many countries don't see any light at the end of the tunnel. People also like to simplify things down to a single concept. Mask wearing is an example, from a public health perspective it is actually the last line of defence. So pro maskers and anti maskers want to argue about that single issue. All evidence points to masks slow spread but in no way will stop spread. People rationalize lockdown to mean one thing only that is direct measures against the individual in an area without considering travel restrictions, quarantine , contact tracing etc. From observation a draconian but partial lockdown does more harm than good. However a draconian full lockdown is highly effective and has overall support where it is done , for example in Victoria Australia or New Zealand. Most other Australian states did also until things under control, draconian travel restrictions still exist and sometimes go too far but better to overdo than underdo.
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I thought the Iranian Professor was much like John, very good at explaining difficult concepts in a way normal people can understand or at least understand a bit.
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It doesn't surprise me the state that you mentioned. They delayed data in October up until after the presidential election, said it was about checking their systems for reporting or something. The date it occurred must have been a remarkable coincidence.
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That's good but what about Japan it has problems in that area also.
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@ljo642 0.16% of New York state population is now dead from it. Your number is not correct and still people are dying but at a much slower rate. My opinion have a little more compassion or even be selfish, more dead is bad for business in medium term based on previous and current information including the Spanish flu 100 years ago.
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The 10 days was adopted in part in the US because the "quarantine" is/was voluntary, so the thinking was there would be higher voluntary compliance. It was never intended to stop the virus just slow it down a bit.
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@xponen I disagree with the last part of your statement, actually the Western Pacific WHO region we all did the same thing regarding borders, 14 days mandatory enforced usually hotel quarantine. PAHO Pan-American Health Organization and European WHO region countries all opted for open borders eventually. It's either a billion to 1 coincidence or the WHO region had a lot to do with it. Australia had that one occasion for a 3 weeks period regarding India because we didn't know how to deal with large numbers of a very contagious variant coming in, look at New South Wales now and Vietnam and Taiwan, it was the right decision. In the Western Pacific WHO region 3 countries stand out as having the toughest quarantine restrictions normally regarding food and agriculture, Australia, New Zealand and Japan and also the experience with SARS which hurt tourism in the whole region. So it's not a Western thing but more about the particular WHO regional offices I would suggest.
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Hang in there and look overseas, Melbourne looks much better than London at the moment. I understand you are angry but there is light at the end of the tunnel and the problems appear to have been fixed with a very low death toll by international , not Western Pacific standards. You are right about the contact tracing which was a much bigger issue actually because other states and New Zealand had outbreaks from quarantine breaches even if the actual breach is unknown without the problems of Victoria. It should be over in a few weeks and you can go back to less restrictions than Sweden soon after that I expect. The point John made is about getting back in control has been done well and it has.
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@daverok1113 yep so urgent to change testing method they are waiting for 5 months. They want a test that detects both SARS COVI 2 and flu at the same time. Your statement that the PCR is not working is incorrect.
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@conorwhite2889 Due to interventions the virus has barely spread in many countries. What's happening in Europe though is interesting. What John says is correct, that we don't know many things.
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It was the gap that mattered, not sure which dose they eventually went with.
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@deborahhebblethwaite1865 when you reach 0 cases it makes no difference if your population is 1 million or 1 billion, how quickly a quarantine breach or an infection from an unknown source is identified and how quickly containment actions occur , that's all that matters in any urban area.
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@davidscully2414 I'll correct you pretend lockdowns with free travel and voluntary quarantine are a total disaster. Look at Western Pacific region of WHO out of 13 countries (ones over 1,000,000) 53,000 deaths with a total population of about 1.8 billion, worst performing country is the Philippines with deaths a bit over 200 per million. The evidence is in clearly lockdowns do work if done properly and less effects on economies on average and less deaths from other causes also because on average proper lockdowns are far shorter than ongoing pretend lockdowns which only hurt local businesses. Length of lockdowns is the killer the effectiveness of lockdowns has no relevance or very little in how many other deaths occur, probably hard lockdowns are less harmful because at least from a mental health perspective people can see an end.
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I think you should qualify your comment, SA is actually monitoring and collecting data better than some 1st world countries. I hope you are all ok and if you have had it twice plus a vaccine should be pretty safe but nothing is 100%. Best of luck.
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Some provinces do fairly well, not as strict as Australia and any new variant they will all have troubles.
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Australia has no reason for emergency approval which is what is occurring in the US and UK. They are basically saying it seems good but doesn't meet our usual standards at this point in time but doing nothing is a higher risk.
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@stevegraham3817 it's extremely hard to envisage but not impossible. I want to see from my covid free state in Australia some jurisdiction make the move , possibly Republic of Ireland or Wales, get it under control on a path to elimination and stuff those who want the borders "open" without enforced quarantine. I am working on the domino theory which certainly worked in Australia. Victoria Australia to this day has never put in interstate travel restrictions , but they have been the most infected state, if a major outbreak occurs in another state I think a stop watch to count the seconds of how quickly they become one of the rest of us willing to impose restrictions should be used .
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Astrazeneca vaccine is a modified virus along with a few others but it can't replicate. Creating a virus that spreads could go very wrong, many conspiracy theorists believe that's how covid 19 started.
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They are future lawyers, their job will be in the future to prove why a particular law or rule didn't need to be followed.
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@FordesBreakingNews Have you even bothered to look at the PNG situation, the antivaxxers are literally attacking healthcare workers trying to get vaccines to people. Australia has sent significant aid to PNG to help with the situation including some vaccines, medical teams and medical equipment. Although slow Australia's total commitments on a per Capita basis to deliver vaccines is the second highest in the world behind the US, so we are doing our part.
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They think it was a possibility but pretty sure they never found out anything other than it was a strain present in Victoria Australia and UK and a person who tested positive did work in a warehouse with frozen food imported from Victoria. So tests were done on the site but they didn't find anything that would suggest it was spread by the frozen food.
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MHRA logo looks scary, that bottle just makes me think of poison, and then a needle and a row of something to experiment with, 4 possible cures or whatever. Someone in the UK tell them to change it , if people are slightly sceptical that logo will terrify them.
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@lisag1153 Population density with 0 restrictions means nothing, Mississippi is one of the least densely populated states in the US as in urbanisation rate and the worst death toll per capita from covid 19 of any wealthy jurisdiction on the planet. If Florida was a country and you ignore other US states it would be the worst wealthy country on the planet. As you would be aware Florida is subtropical which has its advantage of not having major spikes in transmission and you would also be aware by the statistics or from DeSantis himself that cases actually have a small spike in summer, come summer Florida will likely overtake New York in deaths per Capita and it's way ahead of Texas and California already. As far as Floridian being a bit older than average, so what , deaths per million in Japan, South Korea and Singapore with as old or older populations are at about 200 per million compared to 3,300 per million for Florida. If that's not failure I don't know what is. Wealthy retirees which bring the age up in Florida are very highly vaccinated also , educated rich people get vaccinated that's just how it is. It's how well a jurisdiction gets the vaccine hesitant vaccinated that counts and DeSantis and his hand picked propaganda agent for Surgeon General have actually done nothing to encourage and to some extent discourage such people to get vaccinated. Anyway I guess you can cling to well at least Mississippi and a few other mostly Republican states will always look worse when compared to Florida.
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It's exponential everywhere, look at my country going from covid 0 to 30,000 cases or so today in Australia, about 10% of our overall cases and of course not accurate anymore probably is higher with testing delays and encouragement in every state and territory I believe to not get tested if no symptoms. I am lucky , my state is majority Omicron but one of our states it's probably majority Delta and unfortunately looks like more dying there due to that. Sorry to ramble on (I've had a few), hope all goes well with you and your family, take care.
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New South Wales is the state most reluctant to lockdown, that's what happens when lockdowns are slow. They did however get away with it until the Delta variant. I am in Queensland, we lockdown at the drop of a hat, so far about 12 weeks lockdown since start of pandemic and mask mandates for about 7 weeks. Lots of extra sporting events moved to Queensland from the states that don't like lockdowns. Victoria previously was like NSW and they both spent 6 months along with the federal government demanding Queensland keep it's border open to them. They don't say anything anymore for some reason. So yes lockdown is benign if you assume which has been the case in every country that lockdown lite for over a year is far worse. Lockdown lite in itself has probably killed a million people worldwide.
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It doesn't matter now, it's spreading through the US, maybe will or won't outcompete the B117.
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@aengusmacnaughton1375 I know it's actually getting more and more bizarre, especially the wearing a mask might kill you one. It's true proper N95 masks are annoying and hard to breathe through, not gonna kill you though, but all that's being requested in most countries if not all is a cloth mask. Bill Gates is great , a pity not every billionaire was so generous. I do hope there is an effective vaccine , that's safe. I think everyone wants that regardless of how their country has done so far.
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@anfieldreds_1892 if the Western Pacific countries did the Swedish way there would be approximately 2,000,000 deaths in our region spanning from East Asia plus ASEAN plus Australasia. You have to remember secondary deaths also and that lockdowns would occur when hospitals overflow because people demand it. In other words it's not going to happen and even a partially effective vaccine will give the population the same level of protection as has occurred in places with many deaths and still counting and back into lockdown in most cases once hospitals can't cope like many European countries and US soon I expect.
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LoL one of 6 major countries on the planet virus free and we are too relaxed? Truth is quarantine breeches will occur it's impossible to stop them, just remember we are importing far more cases than those other 5 countries combined because Australians travel a lot. Queensland alone has imported twice as many cases as Taiwan.
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@jesmmifs As of a month or so ago slightly lower than previous year. I am from Queensland and actually we are in general far worse with a far higher suicide rate historically. In Australia you might see suicides decline overall because much attention and funding has been put into this because of the concerns.
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You have difficulties even leaving Western Australia now because the government super strict. I am in Queensland so a little less strict and the freedom all Australians has given up with travel is better than being in Europe or anywhere in the Americas.
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@JP-ks9nh You know why NSW hasn't had 15,000 deaths, because they kept eliminating the virus but this time looking different because of Delta you know all this , I don't believe you are stupid. You even commented that thousands will still die when Australia opens up even if high vaccination rates.
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@douglas_gemini the mask bit is correct but Sweden does have restrictions including a 50 person gathering limit which I believe is still in place. Florida is in it's own league, they even have covid 19 nursing homes where they put all the infected ones I saw it on one of the governor's speeches. I have admit as an Australian I think Sweden has gone down the wrong path , but Florida is just B*t shirt crazy.
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@michaelowens7792 With regard to the US vaccine scheme it is good. A vaccine company directly especially in the context of US liability laws which are probably the most generous on the planet a company will just fight forever. It is known that even the best vaccine on the planet might kill for arguments sake 1 in 1,000,000 people. So a vaccine that could save for arguments sake 10,000 lives and one person dies is good to use and as the scheme itself says was set up so people using a vaccine know they have an easier recourse than taking on a multinational corporation directly yourself at your cost. As the scheme states if you disagree with the compensation you don't fight the government you take on the company direct, but you must go through the scheme process first. So you lose nothing it doesn't remove any rights you have. As far as are any compensation payouts appropriate or not it would seem they are because otherwise I would expect to see news to the contrary if it wasn't the case. The scheme also helps people in other countries because it would set precedence. Unless people are complaining of the 75c price tag I can't see what the issue could be. If a company acted negligently or forged trial results for arguments sake they are still liable, this is for the rare cases of serious adverse reactions including death which are unavoidable. Most of what I stated is on their website. The rumour as stated by the original commenter that it's impossible for a company to be held directly liable is incorrect.
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@charliefoxtrot5001 No the military enforces nothing, tagging along behind a policeman with a pen and notepad or whatever with no powers. Sydney is a city within Australia, it is not Australia. No different if I see something happen in a US state , it's not the country.
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I am going to give you a few pro's and cons to getting vaccinated in an effort to encourage you. 1. Selfish pro on my behalf QLD currently has the least deaths per million on the planet for a jurisdiction of over 1 million outside of a Chinese province and I want to keep it that way, your elevated risk of potential death from covid 19 could assist in making that so. 2. We have to beat WA, they're not far behind us in deaths per million and they are pretty cautious to genuinely open their border. Also want to beat SA. 3. If you are a permanent employee well you can pull a couple of days sickies whether you need to or not, just don't go overboard. 4. Your risk of dying from a vaccine is far lower than the virus , this is well proven unless you are a female below 40 and choose Astrazeneca, just go with Pfizer if you are concerned because dose is half that of Moderna and because you stated "in the last 20 years" you can't be very young. 1. The con, you might feel crook for a day or two and extremely rare but possibly something worse than that, no matter how you travel to work each day your risk of death on that daily journey is higher than the vaccine. Best of luck and hope you consider my reasoning or at least I give you a laugh. Happy Christmas.
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He sings country music so he must be ok.
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@jamestiberiuskirk3277 Your comment doesn't apply to all countries or even all people within any country, unfortunately the loud minority cause a lot of problems and political leaders have made a big difference in both negative and positive ways, negative is sometimes unintentional and sometimes because it seems they don't care.
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That's because you're in the middle of the pack or the grey man, in the 5 EYES we have Australia and New Zealand doing well, Canada doing reasonable and everyone knows about UK and US.
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Except for the separation of kids thing you could have been talking about Queensland Australia. We put all positive cases into hospital, sort of forced because they in border quarantine to start with so I think no choice, but if cases in the community which haven't happened for quite a while other than a couple of hotel quarantine worker I think encouraged strongly to quarantine in hospital. The thing is though it can only work when cases are minnescule.
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If your government leader ( assuming it's the president) gets infected it's an ominous sign, others infected include government leaders of Brazil, UK and US , not known for the best response.
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@klonowskierklartrohrleitun4241 In 3 cases Perth and Melbourne Australia and Auckland New Zealand, at certain points in time those cities surrounded by checkpoints to stop any unauthorized travel out and China does similar things of course. So saying it can't be done isn't true if checkpoints everywhere noting that the ratio of military personnel and police to overall population in wealthy Western countries will be similar , the resources required in a relative sense are the same. In reality very few people get turned around because people just comply , why bother waiting for arguments in a 1 or 2 hour queue at a checkpoint knowing you will be turned around and you know you don't need to travel.
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The plan is elimination, they just don't want to say it because certain publics don't want hear that because think impossible and also the plan might not work. The plan is almost a carbon copy of what we did in Queensland Australia a year ago but far fewer cases and no vaccine. The 5 week gaps are not only scientific reasons but to give people something to look forward to and also to hopefully achieve better results than required for each measure. So keep your chin up this plan seems real with a good chance of success.
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Well there's 7 billion or so people on the planet, bound to find a few idiots.
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It's urbanization rates that matter , however as we have seen in the US even states that are about 50% rural it might slow the spread but if you do nothing at all those states such as South Dakota and Mississippi end up just as bad eventually. The other thing that matters is demographics, I think age is actually secondary to socio economic groupings, poor and especially recent immigrants live on top of each other with housing, wealthy people have their own stand alone residence or a large condominium with few people in it and tend to be more health conscious.
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The Australian and New Zealand TGA is independent, are you suggesting the Australian or New Zealand governments should unreasonably interfere? There is no emergency use requirement in Australia or New Zealand or the Pacific nations we will be assisting and likely use the ANZ TGA as their general guide I would expect. It's not typical because look where we are versus the emergency use countries that failed to contain the virus. Australia did 10,000 covid 19 tests by the end of February, UK around 13,000 but no lockdown and US 500. Per capita however we come second at that point with 100,000 tests in South Korea. Don't bag your own country/s. Proactive actions is why we have very few cases.
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I always wonder why Americans fight to pay high taxes for publically funded healthcare and expect so little in return. I am Australian so lower public healthcare costs and a 5 year greater life expectancy. Somehow the rest of the world are called communist because of our healthcare systems by certain US groups, so they want to pay more tax and buy private healthcare because they don't trust the healthcare they just paid for. Seems messed up to me and you are pretty relaxed about the situation, if the US healthcare system was imposed on just about any other wealthy nation in the world we would be rioting.
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January 23 Wuhan was locked down completely, no commercial flights. The number of cases outside of Wuhan was really low so no more than 100 cases would have got out through other air flights and also it was known it was around the world on January 21 anyway. The majority of cases to leave China would likely be repatriation flights , that is governments evacuating their citizens and then not quarantining them. Could China have acted a little quicker noting that they locked down Wuhan when it got 600 daily cases, UK and US never locked down anywhere.
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I listened to Osterholm's latest update which is on youtube and he said the B117 or UK variant is now 30 to 40% of US cases so it's a race between that variant and the vaccine currently, he predicts cases will increase soon because of this.
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Every strain is in the US, completely open border to US citizens with a voluntary self isolation scheme. UK 8 months after West Pacific countries started doing hotel quarantine is now going to do it but only people coming from some countries and 10 days instead of 14, so full of holes.
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