Comments by "J Groovy" (@jgroovy1973) on "Fox News"
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This happened AFTER Trump and his campaign found out Russia was attacking our election, and AFTER the FBI told them to call if they saw anything suspicious:
-- Trump said, "Russia, if you're listening..."
-- 16 Trump associates contacted Russians regarding the election. ALL except Roger Stone denied it until confronted, then said there was nothing wrong with it. (So, why lie?) Then, Stone denied his previous statements that he was in touch with Assange and Guccifer 2.0. (The very people who hacked the DNC and released the emails).
-- The Trump Tower meeting. (Straight-up collusion).
-- The request to change the RNC platform to benefit Russia against Ukraine.
-- Papadopoulos suggested a meeting with the Russians.
-- Trump continued to pursue a real estate deal in Moscow, and lied about it. (He is reputed to have offered the penthouse suite to Putin. If true, that's a major emoluments crime).
-- Paul Manafort offered to give briefings on the campaign to Russia. He gave them polling data. By the way, Manafort literally worked for Putin. Then he "just happened" to become Trump's campaign chairman.
-- Trump repeatedly praised Putin, never once condemning him. Instead, he cast doubt on the CIA.
-- Kushner met with a SANCTIONED Russian bank to trade sanction relief for personal favors and to set up a back channel to the Kremlin.
-- Flynn told the Russians not to retaliate for sanctions.
-- Trump, at Putin's request, invited Russian ambassadors into the Oval Office, where he spilled Israeli spy secrets and said the FBI Director he'd just fired was a "nut job".
-- Trump continued to cast doubt on Russia's guilt.
-- Trump sided with Putin in front of the world at the Helsinki summit.
-- They never called the FBI.
Did the Democrats make them do ANY of that? Are these things not cause for suspicion? If you say, "no", it would be pretty hypocritical to insist that the Page/Strok texts, Uranium One, and Obama's hot mic are proof of crimes, especially a deep state conspiracy. The above are all what's called circumstantial evidence. It's all right off the top of my head. There is so much more implicating evidence. Again, my point is that they KNEW what Russia was up to, but did those things anyway.
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When Trump says, "Mueller isn't looking at the other side", he shows how he fundamentally doesn't understand how things work. What "other side"? He is referring to Democrats - the "other side" in POLITICS. The other side in JUSTICE, in a potential case against him, is the Mueller team. Mueller is looking at what happened with Russia and the 2016 election IN GENERAL, whether it leads to the Trump campaign or not. He doesn't see that RUSSIA is on the other side of the US there. The US, you know, the country he is supposed to be defending! And why is he so sure Mueller is against him, anyway? Does it occur to him that Mueller could clear him? He clearly believes the report will be damning, so he is using the only defense he can - "witch hunt", even though he hasn't been charged with anything. At every turn, he does what a guilty person would do. It should bother everyone that he refuses to realize basic fundamentals, even after he has surely been advised of these things. Either he is incapable of understanding, or he doesn't care. Either way, he is incapable of doing his job.
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This happened AFTER Trump and his campaign found out Russia was attacking our election, and AFTER the FBI told them to call if they saw anything suspicious:
-- Trump said, "Russia, if you're listening..."
-- 16 Trump associates contacted Russians regarding the election. ALL except Roger Stone denied it until confronted, then said there was nothing wrong with it. (So, why lie?) Then, Stone denied his previous statements that he was in touch with Assange and Guccifer 2.0. (The very people who hacked the DNC and released the emails).
-- The Trump Tower meeting. (Straight-up collusion).
-- The request to change the RNC platform to benefit Russia against Ukraine.
-- Papadopoulos suggested a meeting with the Russians.
-- Trump continued to pursue a real estate deal in Moscow, and lied about it. (He is reputed to have offered the penthouse suite to Putin. If true, that's a major emoluments crime).
-- Paul Manafort offered to give briefings on the campaign to Russia. By the way, Manafort literally worked for Putin. Then he "just happened" to become Trump's campaign chairman.
-- Trump repeatedly praised Putin, never once condemning him. Instead, he cast doubt on the CIA.
-- Kushner met with a SANCTIONED Russian bank to trade sanction relief for personal favors and to set up a back channel to the Kremlin.
-- Flynn told the Russians not to retaliate for sanctions.
-- Trump, at Putin's request, invited Russian ambassadors into the Oval Office, where he spilled Israeli spy secrets and said the FBI Director he'd just fired was a "nut job".
-- Trump continued to cast doubt on Russia's guilt.
-- Trump sided with Putin in front of the world at the Helsinki summit.
-- They never called the FBI.
Did the Democrats make them do ANY of that? Are these things not cause for suspicion? If you say, "no", it would be pretty hypocritical to insist that the Page/Strok texts, Uranium One, and Obama's hot mic are proof of crimes, especially a deep state conspiracy. The above are all what's called circumstantial evidence. It's all right off the top of my head. There is so much more implicating evidence. Again, my point is that they KNEW what Russia was up to, but did those things anyway.
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This happened AFTER Trump and his campaign found out Russia was attacking our election, and AFTER the FBI told them to call if they saw anything suspicious:
-- Trump said, "Russia, if you're listening..."
-- 16 Trump associates contacted Russians regarding the election. ALL except Roger Stone denied it until confronted, then said there was nothing wrong with it. (So, why lie?) Then, Stone denied his previous statements that he was in touch with Assange and Guccifer 2.0. (The very people who hacked the DNC and released the emails).
-- The Trump Tower meeting. (Straight-up collusion).
-- The request to change the RNC platform to benefit Russia against Ukraine.
-- Papadopoulos suggested a meeting with the Russians.
-- Trump continued to pursue a real estate deal in Moscow, and lied about it. (He is reputed to have offered the penthouse suite to Putin. If true, that's a major emoluments crime).
-- Paul Manafort offered to give briefings on the campaign to Russia. By the way, Manafort literally worked for Putin. Then he "just happened" to become Trump's campaign chairman.
-- Trump repeatedly praised Putin, never once condemning him. Instead, he cast doubt on the CIA.
-- Kushner met with a SANCTIONED Russian bank to trade sanction relief for personal favors and to set up a back channel to the Kremlin.
-- Flynn told the Russians not to retaliate for sanctions.
-- Trump, at Putin's request, invited Russian ambassadors into the Oval Office, where he spilled Israeli spy secrets and said the FBI Director he'd just fired was a "nut job".
-- Trump continued to cast doubt on Russia's guilt.
-- Trump sided with Putin in front of the world at the Helsinki summit.
-- They never called the FBI.
Did the Democrats make them do ANY of that? Are these things not cause for suspicion? If you say, "no", it would be pretty hypocritical to insist that the Page/Strok texts, Uranium One, and Obama's hot mic are proof of crimes, especially a deep state conspiracy. The above are all what's called circumstantial evidence. It's all right off the top of my head. There is so much more implicating evidence. Again, my point is that they KNEW what Russia was up to, but did those things anyway.
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The media didn't lie to start a probe into Russian collusion. The probe started because Trump lied about collusion with Russia. Imagine if Clinton had won, and during the campaign we knew that:
- Clinton said, "Russia, if you're listening, if you can find Trump's deleted emails..."
- The Russians were meddling in her favor and hacked the RNC.
- Knowing about this meddling, Clinton had the DNC platform changed to favor Russia's war on Ukraine.
Then, after Clinton won - but lost the popular vote, it was revealed that:
- New President Clinton appointed a man to head the State Department who had received Russia's highest award for a foreigner. (This goes too deep to summarize in this post. Funny, Tillerson was one of Trump's most qualified cabinet picks - until Trump fired him the day after he publicly criticized Putin).
- During the campaign, Chelsae Clinton, John Podesta, and Uma Abeden had met with Russian government surrogates to discuss trading sanction relief for dirt on Donald Trump.
- Clinton's son-in-law/top advisor was working on lifting sanctions imposed for the very offense of meddling, plus those imposed for illegally invading Ukraine.
- After denying ANY Russian contacts by ANY associates, it turned out that 16 of them had Russian contacts during the campaign.
- One associate, a Watergate figure, and self-described "dirty trickster", bragged about contacts with the VERY HACKERS of the RNC, and the VERY WEAPONIZERS of the hacked information.
- Clinton's White House Security Advisor was caught discussing sanction relief with a Russian Ambassador during the transition.
- Clinton fired the FBI Director and said that she did it "because the Clinton/Rusher thing is a 'hoax'".
- President Hillary Clinton continued to cast doubt on the fact that Russia meddled at all, against the findings of the FBI and CIA, and continued to resist imposing sanctions for that very meddling.
- More was revealed about Clinton's financial ties to shady Russian banks known to be involved in money laundering. (The analogy gets a little crazy here, since Clinton was a New York Senator and resident. You get the point, right? Lots of Russian money is laundered through New York real estate - Trump's home state and lifelong profession).
NOW, WOULDN'T YOU WANT AN INVESTIGATION?? If you say no, you are a liar!
But wait, there's more...During the investigation, imagine that we found out that:
- After saying she had no deals pending in Russia, Clinton was revealed to have been working on opening a huge hotel in Moscow during the campaign.
- John Podesta was offering insider polling data and briefings on the campaign to a Russian intelligence officer to whom he owed money.
- Podesta is convicted of multiple felonies, including Conspiracy against the United States.
- Clinton's lawyer pleads guilty to multiple felonies and implicates President Clinton, herself, as an unindicted co-conspirator in an FEC violation involving bank fraud and tax evasion. The feds cite her as "Individual 1".
- Clinton's disgraced National Security Advisor pleads guilty to lying to the FBI about those sanction discussions with the Russians.
- Clinton's "dirty trickster" is arrested for multiple felonies.
- Yet another Clinton staffer, a campaign National Security Advisor she swears was just a "coffee boy" pleads guilty to lying to the FBI about suggesting a meeting with the Russians for their help with the election.
- I'll just throw out a few more names here: Carter Page, Rick Gates, Hope Hicks, Jeff Sessions...all tied to the Russia thing in varying degrees...
If Mueller declined to recommend indicting Clinton - who was unindictable anyway...If Mueller declined to indict Chelsae and her husband, who President Hillary would surely pardon, WOULD YOU SAY, "NO HARM, NO FOUL. GEE, I GUESS IT REALLY WAS ALL JUST A WITCH HUNT AFTER ALL. WE OWE CLINTON AN APOLOGY"?? I didn't think so.
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