Comments by "J Groovy" (@jgroovy1973) on "Fox News"
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On June 7, 2016, Don Jr. set up the infamous Trump Tower meeting. He denies he told his father about it. Later that day, Trump announced, "I am going to give a major speech on probably Monday of next week and we're going to be discussing all of the things that have taken place with the Clintons." It's noteworthy to add that both Steve Bannon and Michael Cohen say Trump knew. Is that cause for suspicion? ----- Roger Stone and Jerome Corsi "predicted", with astounding accuracy, that Wikileaks was to release hacked DNC emails "later in the summer". (Don Jr. had told the Russians that if it was what he thought it was, he'd "love it", especially later in the summer). Stone said he had communicated with both Assange and Guccifer 2.0. Now, Stone and Corsi are contradicting each other. Suspicious? ----- At the RNC convention, attended by Russian Ambassador/spy, Sergey Kislyak, a Trump staffer requested one change in the RNC platform - to end material support for the Ukrainian resistance against Russia. He says he was told to request this by senior campaign members. Both candidate Trump and chairman, Paul Manafort, deny having anything to do with it. Really? Some other "senior" member did that without the approval of the candidate or the chairman? Is there reason to be suspicious yet? These are only a few of MANY things that raise eyebrows about what these people knew and when they knew it.
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Do Republicans notice that they have power? For the first 2 years of Trump, they had the House, Senate, White House, and a conservative SCOTUS majority. They only lost the House, but pretend they're oppressed by liberal boogeymen - Socialists, media, the deep state, gun control, and BLM.
There's no socialist threat. There are only two socialists in Congress. Bernie LOST the primary to Biden, who is accused of being a capitalist, corporate shill. We pass laws bill by bill. Hyper capitalism is as problematic as hyper socialism. ALL governments are somewhat socialist. It's about balancing community and the individual, public and private sectors. Stop fearing a Marxist revolution. Venezuela isn't Cuba isn't the USSR, Canada, or France.
Which is it? Are the media "socialist liberals" or "corporate capitalists"?
People who think there's a leftist, deep state conspiracy don't know how things work.
Only 20% want to repeal the 2nd Amendment, and nobody wants to repeal the 4th. If you think Dems want confiscation, remember Beto O'Rourke? Soon, you won't.
BLM has a messaging problem, but a just cause. We have a police brutality problem. Anti-racism isn't racist. Rioters appear at protests like flies at picnics. They're usually thugs who don't care about social justice or politics. The Black Panthers won't replace police. We had a black president, and many Republicans say he didn't do enough to empower minorities.
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When media bashers say "The media lie," they can almost never name a specific lie. When outlets report a fact, 99% of the time, it is accurate. It would be a little closer to the truth to say the media DECEIVE. That's far from deliberately mis-stating facts.
Usually when I ask a media basher to name some lies the media have told, I get, "Trump colluded with Russia, Nick Sandmann, and Jussie Smollett." Those replies are nonsense. First, Trump DID collude with Russia. Collusion means COOPERATION, which he clearly did. It's not a legal term. Collusion does not mean "found guilty of criminal conspiracy." But set that point aside.
The facts made Trump look guilty. When it was reported that three of Trump's top people met with surrogates of the Russian government to trade dirt for favors, that was a FACT. No reporter said, "Don Jr took a flash drive from a Russian agent." That would be a lie. The facts looked bad, so naturally the opinions in editorials were negative.
Let's say media report that a man's wife is missing and her husband had blood in his car, gunshot residue on his hands, and lied to police. Editorials about domestic violence would cast the husband in a negative light, and nobody would say the media were lying.
Jussie Smollett lied to police, and media simply reported the facts. The suggestion that somehow the media know the truth about things nobody else knows is absurd. Believing that they deceive us every time a story makes a liberal look bad is ridiculous, especially when the liberal isn't even a politician, and the story has nothing to do with politics.
Nick Sandmann is the exception that proves the rule. The media didn't lie. They mis-characterized. It was a mistake, and they paid for it. If deception was standard practice, news outlets would have been sued out of existence long ago. Also, there is no objective truth in that story. It's based on what was going on in Sandmann's head, and what his intentions were.
There are many news outlets, many stories, and many reports every day. Media bashers love to say "the media" as if it's one homogeneous, connected group. So, even when a reporter makes a mistake or even lies, to paint the entire industry as liars is as absurd as saying "Starbucks cheats you" because a barista once over-charged you for a scone. The same type of conservative who says, "It's just a bad apple" when a trigger-happy cop shoots an unarmed person will call the entire media a group of serial liars when a single reporter makes a mistake.
There is a LOT I don't like about news media, and I don't believe everything I hear. But I assume simple facts are accurate unless there's real reason to believe otherwise. On rare occasions when the facts they report are inaccurate, I first assume they made a mistake before I start conjuring up wild conspiracy theories.
People should simply recognize the difference between FACT and OPINION. "16 Trump associates lied about their contacts with Russia" is a FACT. "All of their lying makes them look like they're hiding something" is an OPINION, but it's also a reasonable opinion to have.
News outlets compete with each other, often by way of sensationalism. They aim to get the facts right because if ABC gets it wrong, CBS will get it right. Sponsors are their masters, not the DNC. (That idea is laughable. Media have WAY more money and power than the DNC, which is made up of mid-level politicians who can't get elected to office). For the same reason, media don't block stories about dirty politicians just because they're Democrats. They're not the sole gatekeepers of information. Notice that the "liberal" media promptly reported on the Hunter Biden investigation. It's a sensational story. They work for sponsors. It makes no sense to limit themselves to half of the market.
It's ironic that the biggest media bashers nowadays are fervent Trump supporters who complain about bias. Trump coordinates with FOX News, and he habitually lies. Those people are hypocrites at best, but usually it's flat-out projection. Hypocrisy is accusing others of what you also do. Projection is accusing the innocent of what you do. It's notable that during Trump's first month in office, he actually told the press corp, "If you're going to hold us to getting every little thing right, I'm just going to stop having these press briefings." Yes, he actually said that.
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Facts:
This happened AFTER Trump and his campaign found out Russia was attacking our election, and AFTER the FBI told them to call if they saw anything suspicious:
-- Trump said, "Russia, if you're listening..."
-- 16 Trump associates contacted Russians regarding the election. ALL except Roger Stone denied it until confronted, then said there was nothing wrong with it. (So, why lie?) Then, Stone denied his previous statements that he was in touch with Assange and Guccifer 2.0. (The very people who hacked the DNC and released the emails).
-- The Trump Tower meeting. (Straight-up collusion).
-- The request to change the RNC platform to benefit Russia against Ukraine.
-- Papadopoulos suggested a meeting with the Russians.
-- Trump continued to pursue a real estate deal in Moscow, and lied about it. (He is reputed to have offered the penthouse suite to Putin. If true, that's a major emoluments crime).
-- Paul Manafort offered to give briefings on the campaign to Russia. By the way, Manafort literally worked for Putin. Then he "just happened" to become Trump's campaign chairman.
-- Trump repeatedly praised Putin, never once condemning him. Instead, he cast doubt on the CIA.
-- Kushner met with a SANCTIONED Russian bank to trade sanction relief for personal favors and to set up a back channel to the Kremlin.
-- Flynn told the Russians not to retaliate for sanctions.
-- Trump, at Putin's request, invited Russian ambassadors into the Oval Office, where he spilled Israeli spy secrets and said the FBI Director he'd just fired was a "nut job".
-- Trump continued to cast doubt on Russia's guilt.
-- Trump sided with Putin in front of the world at the Helsinki summit.
-- They never called the FBI.
Did the Democrats make them do ANY of that? Are these things not cause for suspicion? If you say, "no", it would be pretty hypocritical to insist that the Page/Strok texts, Uranium One, and Obama's hot mic are proof of crimes, especially a deep state conspiracy. The above are all what's called circumstantial evidence. It's all right off the top of my head. There is so much more implicating evidence. Again, my point is that they KNEW what Russia was up to, but did those things anyway.
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You people are really reaching. WAKE UP!! This is totally consistent with Trump's attitude and prior statements. The more you stay in denial, the harder it will be to leave the MAGA cult. Have you noticed that Trump followers won't criticize ANYTHING he does or says? He's perfect?
No. The weaker your case, the more you get defensive. But sure, EVERYTHING this obviously flawed, inexperienced man does is either the smartest thing in the world or a lie concocted by the Dems and the mecia, right? Everyone is lying but him, all the time? My God, then you take it further and play "gotcha" with every little thing you can spin up on a Democrat - usually false, but when true, almost ALWAYS something Trump, himself, has done WAY worse! Pure projection.
FACE FACTS. Trump is an unempathetic, inexperienced, elitist, cheating, habitually lying, narcissistic MORON with a major personality disorder.
ACCEPT IT AND LET HIM GO ALREADY!
Jeez, all you need to do is ask yourself, "If Obama or Hillary had done or said this, what would I think?"
Do I need to repeat that? If it was Clinton or Obama, what would you believe? Would you believe the media? Would you defend them?
Just ask YOURSELF, so you don't get all pissy and defensive from waging a losing argument with someone. Then wake up and grow up!!
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