Comments by "J Groovy" (@jgroovy1973) on "Fox News"
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This happened AFTER Trump and his campaign found out Russia was attacking our election, and AFTER the FBI told them to call if they saw anything suspicious:
-- Trump said, "Russia, if you're listening..."
-- 16 Trump associates contacted Russians regarding the election. ALL except Roger Stone denied it until confronted, then said there was nothing wrong with it. (So, why lie?) Then, Stone denied his previous statements that he was in touch with Assange and Guccifer 2.0. (The very people who hacked the DNC and released the emails).
-- The Trump Tower meeting. (Straight-up collusion).
-- The request to change the RNC platform to benefit Russia against Ukraine.
-- Papadopoulos suggested a meeting with the Russians.
-- Trump continued to pursue a real estate deal in Moscow, and lied about it. (He is reputed to have offered the penthouse suite to Putin. If true, that's a major emoluments crime).
-- Paul Manafort offered to give briefings on the campaign to Russia. By the way, Manafort literally worked for Putin. Then he "just happened" to become Trump's campaign chairman.
-- Trump repeatedly praised Putin, never once condemning him. Instead, he cast doubt on the CIA.
-- Kushner met with a SANCTIONED Russian bank to trade sanction relief for personal favors and to set up a back channel to the Kremlin.
-- Flynn told the Russians not to retaliate for sanctions.
-- Trump, at Putin's request, invited Russian ambassadors into the Oval Office, where he spilled Israeli spy secrets and said the FBI Director he'd just fired was a "nut job".
-- Trump continued to cast doubt on Russia's guilt.
-- Trump sided with Putin in front of the world at the Helsinki summit.
-- They never called the FBI.
Did the Democrats make them do ANY of that? Are these things not cause for suspicion? If you say, "no", it would be pretty hypocritical to insist that the Page/Strok texts, Uranium One, and Obama's hot mic are proof of crimes, especially a deep state conspiracy. The above are all what's called circumstantial evidence. It's all right off the top of my head. There is so much more implicating evidence. Again, my point is that they KNEW what Russia was up to, but did those things anyway.
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-The Trump Tower meeting was a QUID PRO QUO with members of the Russian GOVERNMENT to trade illegally obtained DIRT for SANCTION RELIEF. That's collusion as part of a conspiracy.
- Trump's campaign chairman, felon, and cooperating witness, Paul Manafort, was at the Trump Tower meeting. He offered polling data to a known Russian intelligence officer. 21 states' voter rolls were hacked. Manafort had been a lobbyist for Putin. He helped install a crooked, pro-Russian dictator in Ukraine.
- The Trump campaign requested one change to the RNC platform. At the convention, attended by Russian ambassador, Sergey Kislyak, a Trump staffer made this request. The staffer says he was asked to do it by senior campaign members. Manafort and Trump have publicly denied any involvement.
- Trump campaign self described "dirty trickster", Roger Stone, said he had contacts with Guccifer 2.0 and Julian Assange, the very hackers who hacked the DNC and the guy who weaponized the information.
- Trump's personal lawyer, convicted felon, Michael Cohen, has named Trump as an unindicted co-conspirator in an FEC case that involved bank fraud. Cohen was convicted of lying to investigators about his willingness to travel abroad to further a Trump Tower Moscow deal. Trump lied about pursuing the deal. Both lied about working on it during the campaign. The Steele dossier asserts that Cohen met with Russians in Prague. (Not willing to travel?)
- Trump foreign relations advisor and convicted felon, George Papadopoulos, suggested to the campaign that Trump should meet with Russians to get dirt on Hillary Clinton.
- On June 7, 2016, Don Jr. set up the Trump Tower meeting. He denies he told his father about it. Later that day, Trump announced, "I am going to give a major speech on probably Monday of next week and we're going to be discussing all of the things that have taken place with the Clintons." Both Steve Bannon and Michael Cohen say Trump knew.
- 16 Trump associates lied about 87 contacts with Russians after Trump said there were no contacts whatsoever. Mike Pence was asked if there was any contact. He replied, "Of course not. Why would there be?" Yeah, Mike. Why would there be?
- Trump's son-in law and Sr. advisor, Jarred Kushner, met with the head of a SANCTIONED Russian bank to discuss setting-up a back-channel to the Kremlin. They discussed a deal in which the US would provide sanction relief in exchange for help with Kushner's 666 5th Avenue money pit of a real estate venture.
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- The FBI had asked the Trump campaign to call if they saw anything suspicious, but nobody did. Later, Trump would say, (about the Trump Tower meeting), "I think anyone would have taken that meeting".
- During the campaign, former National Security Advisor, convicted felon, Michael Flynn went to Moscow for an RT event. (RT - Russia Today, aka, Russian propaganda), and made a speech disparaging US/Russia policy. He lied about his compensation. He failed to register as a foreign agent.
- Trump security advisor, Carter Page, went to Moscow and made a speech disparaging US/Russia policy. (Note that Page had gotten caught-up in a Russian spy ring in 2013).
- Trump said, "NATO is obsolete". NATO exists to protect Europe from Russian aggression.
- At a NATO summit, Trump refused to reaffirm Article 5, (The 'all for one' article only evoked once, by the US, after 9/11).
- Trump chose Rex Tillerson, former CEO of Exxon, as his first Sec. of State. Tillerson had received Russia's highest award for a foreigner. Exxon lost a $500 billion oil deal with a Russian, state-run, oil company when the US sanctioned Russia for its illegal invasion of Ukraine. Trump fired Tillerson the day after Tillerson publicly criticized Putin.
- Putin did NOT want Clinton to become President. As Secretary of State, she was tough on him. Since taking office, Trump has defunded and refused to fully staff the State Department.
- "Russia, if you're listening..."
- Trump has NEVER criticized Putin.
- Trump has never expressed anger or disappointment with any of his people for dealing with Russians, supposedly behind his back.
- Trump has repeated Russian propaganda many times. Recently, he said the USSR occupied Afghanistan in '79 because of terrorists, and was "right to do it". (The US was instrumental in driving out the Soviets).
- Against the advice of the US military and Secretary of Defense, Trump ordered a troop withdrawal from Syria. (a day before Putin's annual press conference). Russia is in Syria to protect the Assad regime.
- Under Obama, the official US position on Syria was that Assad should go. Trump changed that to allow Assad to stay for now.
- Around the time Putin was running a disinformation campaign against Montenegro, Trump told FOX News he thought Montenegro might start WWIII.
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John Allen Lauridsen Jr. - Canada, France, the US, and half of Europe have socialist elements. Cuba is not France is not China. And China has been very successful. Democratic Socialism is NOT code for Communism. That's exactly what I'm talking about- If you slap labels on ideas in order to demonize, you shut down debate and new ideas don't get a chance. Socialist movements start at the grass roots, then a leader emerges who is NOT actually representing socialism. It's the habits and histories of those people and those countries, not the idea, that caused THOSE governments, (USSR, Cuba, Venezuela...), to fail.
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Trump said the election could be tied up in litigation for years - a strategy he's used all his life.
He hasn't suggested any solutions to the "problems" with mail-in voting. It's absurd to want school open now, but say it's too unsafe to vote in November.
He asked Russia, China, and Ukraine to help him win, even by investigating Americans. He said taking foreign government help is okay. (It's illegal). He says it's "oppo research" (when HE does it. When opponents do legal oppo research on him, he calls it treason).
It's likely Russia will attack the election. Obama prepared for a cyber attack on election day. I'm pretty sure Trump hasn't, and Putin knows it.
In 2012, Trump said Obama would start a war with Iran to get re-elected. Apparently, Trump thinks that could work. It wouldn't surprise me if he did that.
Turnout favors Democrats. Trump knows that. 50% of voters say they wouldn't vote for him under ANY circumstances. He's never reached across the aisle, and never had a day with over 50% approval. He considers everyone who didn't vote for him an enemy. He HAS to cheat to win, and he's given every reason to think he will.
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Try to understand, Trump followers: Spying on a campaign is bad. Surveillance on an enemy is good. So, when a campaign gets in bed with our enemy, it REQUIRES surveillance of that enemy.
Christophe Steele, former British spy, reporting his oppo research findings to the FBI was GOOD. The British are our allies. We have a COMMON GOAL - to reign-in the Putin regime. Putin wants to do harm to the US.
If Steele had given his findings, THOSE findings, to Clinton, it would have been wrong. But he DIDN'T do that. He went to the FBI instead.
Clinton didn't use the dossier in her campaign. She never saw it. MSM didn't even want to report it. It couldn't be verified, and might have been TRULY fake news. Only "cat video" Buzzfeed put it out. MSM is NOT working with the DNC and the FBI. There is no "leftist deep state". That's just paranoid, tribal, conspiracy theory, That's not the way things work.
On the other hand, Trump DID invite and accept help from a foreign GOVERNMENT - to help his CAMPAIGN, not to help his COUNTRY.
Do Trumpers not understand this?? The findings of the FBI's counterintelligence probe, as with ALL counterintelligence probes, weren't meant for public eyes, and certainly not for the eyes of political campaign operatives. The Mueller probe started later, because Trump was acting so shady and obstructiony that we needed an independent, non-political body to look into it.
And you can't have it both ways. If the Steele dossier was collusion with Russia, then the Trump Tower meeting was super-duper collusion. Got it? Tell me how it isn't.
Any questions?
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We know Trump and his people use every tool they can to dig up dirt on their opponents. And what have they ever found? Obama? We know how the birther thing worked out for them. Wire "tapps"? Nada. Good luck with the embedded spy thing. They found nothing when they tried to get dirt on the people involved in the Iran deal. Trump can't even prove that the Iran deal, DACA, or anything else Obama did turned disastrous. Hillary Clinton? They had the help of the Russian intelligence services - all of the DNC emails - and barely a thing. So, some DNC staffers once talked about going after Bernie Sanders over his religion and didn't even follow through. Created some scheduling conflicts for him? Ooooh, maajor corruption! Hillary's emails? Not one single instance of classified information getting in the wrong hands. Podesta's "spirit cooking" ?? Nonsense like "pizzagate" and the wholly debunked Uranium 1 thing? (Bribed ONE of NINE heads of agencies??). The notion that Clinton controlled the FBI, CIA, DNI, NSA, DHS, the entire mainstream media, the Obama White House, British, Dutch, and Australian intelligence is absurd. Rosenstein has been giving Nunes more than he legally deserves, and found nothing but some vague texts about an "insurance policy". Yeah, that proves everything (sarcasm)... Now - What has the Mueller probe turned-up? And the Mueller probe hasn't even leaked!
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