Comments by "rockethead7" (@rockethead7) on "8 News Now — Las Vegas"
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@zenmeister451
If Bob Lazar had any ground to stand on, he wouldn't be sitting there decades later pretending to be working on nuclear reactors powering his old Corvette, or still claiming to have attended MIT (yet still, decades later, can't name a single professor there, nor any classmates). If they tried to "erase" him, he'd have gathered up as many records as he could. He'd have gone to his banks and asked for copies of canceled checks written to MIT (or any surrounding business, or his landlord, etc.). He'd have gone to his credit card companies and gotten copies of old statements to prove that he made purchases at MIT, meals, books, pencils, whatever. He'd have gone to professors and classmates and asked them to talk to the press with him, to say, "yes, Bob Lazar was in my Physics 205 classroom." He'd have gone to his apartment landlord and asked for copies of the lease, and/or asked the landlord to say, "yes, Bob Lazar rented an apartment from me just outside of the MIT campus." He'd have presented his diploma from MIT, and demand that they authenticate it. He'd go to United Airlines and say, "yeah, those miles I flew back and forth from my hometown to MIT, I need records of those flights." THAT is what you'd do if someone was trying to "erase" you from MIT.
Meanwhile, what DOES Bob Lazar produce? Stories. That's it. Just words. No evidence. No diploma. Nothing. And, the only records anybody can find are from his junior college, and his felony convictions. I mean, even if, in some insane nonsensical way, you could claim that Bob Lazar's stories were true, there'd STILL be no reason whatsoever to believe those stories. They're just stories. No evidence of any kind. Nothing. How can anybody tell the difference between Bob Lazar's claims, vs. the claims of someone lying about all of this? (Hint: there is no difference.)
For a guy who went to MIT, the top scientific university on the entire planet, he sure is stupid. How'd he get into that school, if he's not smart enough to start gathering up records when people are trying to "erase" him? How'd he manage to forget all of his professors and classmates? Not very bright, it would seem. Can't produce the name of his favorite professor. Can't produce the names of girlfriends (or boyfriends, if he's gay, whatever). Can't say, "yeah, I took Physics 205 in the Sampson Hall, 1st floor classroom, last door on the right." Nothing. I mean, sure, I've forgotten a lot of my university class details. Everybody does. But, to remember NOTHING?? To not even be able to produce a single name of someone who might remember him???
Good grief.
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You believe him? Why? Because he hasn't changed his story? THAT is your criteria?? Bob Lazar said he went to MIT. Yet, he can't produce any plane tickets to/from there, no leases for an apartment there, no friends from there who remember him, no professors who remember him, no credit card record of ever buying a meal on campus, no student records whatsoever, etc. Meanwhile, people DO remember him from his non-accredited junior college electronics classes. And, of course, he has a felony record on top of it. Oh, but you believe him, huh?
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@zenmeister451
You sure have thrown all critical thinking skills out the window, haven't you. We have a guy who claims to have a degree from MIT, but can't produce a single record of doing so, nor can name anybody who even knew him at MIT. He does have a felony record, though, as well as a record at a junior college (can you name anybody else in history who simultaneously attends a junior college at the same time as the highest ranked scientific university on the planet?).... And, he claims to have witnessed alien technology in a secret base. And, YOU find this believable. I shouldn't need to spell this out to you. You're a bigger crackpot than he is, if you find anything he says to be credible. He offers not a single shred of evidence, just his stories. But, you believe it.
Do yourself a favor: forget about stupid alien conspiracies and crackpot claims about an insane guy who plead guilty to running a prostitution outfit while being an MIT graduate and who runs his old 1980s Corvette via a nuclear reactor in back. You've got much bigger problems, if you find such a person to be credible. You are apparently so gullible that you simply are going to lose every dime to your name, sooner or later. It's going to happen. It's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when. Anybody with your level of gullibility is doomed to give everything away to some scam artist that will sell you some sort of magic beans. So, the favor you need to do yourself is to give every dime to your name, now and in the future, to someone who is very trusted in your family circle, who isn't as gullible as you are. Have that person run your finances for you. That's the only way it will be safe.
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Who is "they," and what evidence is there that any such record scrubbing ever even happened? His own words? And, I can only imagine that you haven't actually been reading what I've written. I mean, how would they get rid of personal experiences? How would they prevent Bob Lazar from simply saying things like: "My favorite MIT professor was James Shepard, for my Physics 314 class." "I dated a gal named Samantha Rose, and she can verify that I was in classes with her." "My best friend on campus was Charles Swithman, we played basketball after classes in the H-wing of the Garmel Athletic Center." "I rented an apartment near campus at 315 Oak St. from a landlord named Shirley Schwarz. Her husband David had recently died and left her three buildings that he rented to MIT students." "I have the diploma from MIT right here." "There's a program from my graduation ceremony, and they printed thousands of copies for the audience, which includes the names of everyone getting their degrees that day. I didn't keep my copy, but, after the big bad wolf tried to erase my records, I phoned up a couple of my classmates and their proud parents kept that program as a keepsake, so you can find my name there." "I contacted my bank while the super secret powers tried to erase my existence, and I got a bunch of copies of canceled rent checks that I wrote to Shirley Schwarz."
I mean, HOW would you erase someone's existence anyway? This was theoretically in the 1970s and 1980s, you know. Computers started to have a role back then, but everything was still on hardcopy paper. And, forget that... just look at banking. Banks need to balance to the penny. How could you even erase someone's bank account without anybody noticing? Wouldn't the bank's balances suddenly be out of whack if you just deleted someone's existence?
And, why wouldn't Bob Lazar, MIT graduate in physics, just do NOTHING?? Why wouldn't he be fighting tooth and nail every single day to preserve the record of his prestigious degree from the planet's greatest science institution? No?? He's just going go on TV and simply claim that big bad people are erasing him, and that's it? He's not launching lawsuits at the university for not preserving his records? He spends a fortune for an education there, then does absolutely nothing to go back and get his degree reinstated? No? Just, "they're erasing my existence, oh well, I guess I wasted those years of my life and all of that money, I'm not going to do anything about it." No? I mean, he certainly doesn't ACTUALLY fear for his life. If the super secret bad guys were going to kill him, they've had almost 40 years to do it. Obviously, the super secret bad guys aren't trying to do that. So, why not sue? Why not fight for his degrees back? Why not go there, walk right into his physics classrooms and demand that the professors produce his records? Why not name a whole bunch of classmates as witnesses in court cases? No? Nothing. Just "they erased everything." And, that's it? Nothing else? No evidence? No PURSUIT of evidence? Nothing at all?
Nope, instead, he simply moved on to his next claim, that he put a nuclear reactor in the back of his 1985 Corvette, and claims he doesn't need to buy gasoline for it? Any proof of that? No, of course not. He shows you a couple of strange looking metal canisters in the back of the Corvette, and we just need to take his word for it.
After all, they erased his records, right?
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@zenmeister451
Hence why, in the absence of actual evidence, and you have only someone's word to go on, you're left only with the option of analyzing someone's credibility. And, when the claims are outlandish, and the credibility is zero, you have NO REASON to believe what you believe. And, yes, Lazar's claims are outlandish, and his credibility is zero. The guy spends a fortune and years of his life getting a Master's Degree from MIT, then does NOTHING about it when they mysteriously take it away?? Get real. You can hide behind your "investigation" until the cows come home, but your refusal to actually face the weakness of Lazar's credibility is quite telling. You only believe what you WANT to believe. That's your main criteria. It has nothing to do with evidence (there is none). It has nothing to do with credibility (he has none). Your criteria for what you believe vs. what you disbelieve is merely to figure out whatever aligns with your predetermined conclusions, and that's what you choose.
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@zenmeister451
Tell me, then....
You have person A, claims to have a degree from Harvard, can't produce any records of it, nor can name anybody who ever saw him there, nor can produce any records of ever spending a dime at Harvard. That person then claims that super secret powers are trying to "erase him" from existence, but he did absolutely nothing about it to gather up records to prevent that from happening. He then claims that he has witnessed lizard people running the government all the way up to the presidency, because he had a super secret job to gather up live rats to feed to the lizard people politicians, and the only time they take their human masks off and reveal their lizard faces is when they eat (which he says he saw happening).
You have person B, claims to have a degree from Princeton, can't produce any records of it, nor can name anybody who ever saw him there, nor can produce any records of ever spending a dime at Princeton. That person then claims that super secret powers are trying to "erase him" from existence, but he did absolutely nothing about it to gather up records to prevent that from happening. He then claims that he has witnessed a secret government project that built a successful time machine, which was used to go back in time to capture Adolf Hitler in his bunker before he committed suicide, and replace his body with a burned up corpse of someone else, and that Adolf Hitler is currently alive and well in Area 51.
Now, neither of these people offer any evidence whatsoever. Not one speck. Both just offer their words, that's it. But, one of these two is telling the truth, and the other is lying. What mechanism will you use to determine which is lying, and which is telling the truth? Can you even tell the difference?
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YOU SAID: "you know why he can’t? The government MADE SURE to cover every bit of his track record to make him seem incredible"
== Again, HOW would they do such a thing? If he went to MIT, like he claims, how could they prevent Lazar from naming his professors and classmates that might remember him? How could they get rid of bank records, like canceled checks, without completely trashing that bank's balance sheets? You can't just delete a record of a $1000 check (or whatever) without completely ruining the bank's balance sheets. If Bob Lazar paid MIT tuition, rent, food, books, etc., there'd be a record of it. And, if the super secret government forces knew how to "delete" such records in the 1970s and early 1980s, then that would immediately throw every bank out of balance, right? And, how could they prevent Bob Lazar from producing a diploma? And, like I asked already, does this even make sense to you? If they attempted to "erase" Bob Lazar from his history, why would Bob Lazar "MIT Master's degree holder in physics," just go down without a fight? Why wouldn't he gather up evidence? Any photos of him at MIT? Any friends he could list? Any classrooms that he could say he attended? Any rent at an apartment there? Any landlord he paid rent? Any food he ever bought? Any books? ANYTHING? Why is it that you nutbags are unable to answer any of these challenges I put forth? You clowns just summarize "they erased everything" without answering a single one of these challenges in any kind of detail. He got a degree from MIT, remember? That's what you believe? You believe that someone in the bottom third of his high school class was able to go to junior college, and then go to MIT (something that is quite amazing to begin with, because MIT is the top institution on the planet in scientific fields, and only accepts top-notch top-1% applicants)... but, Bob Lazar somehow got past all of that... got admitted to a Master's program at MIT somehow... yet can't produce an airline record, diploma, the names of any of his professors, nor classmates who remember him, rent, bank records, or ANYTHING, yet you find this believable??? And, then the guy doesn't sue MIT?? Wouldn't YOU sue? Would you spend a fortune and years of your life for the world's most prestigious physics education, at the most prestigious science university on the planet, and just, "oh well, they erased it, I guess I'll just go on with my life and ignore it."?? That's how you'd behave?? You find this behavior believable? I would be launching numerous lawsuits. I would be deposing witnesses. I'd be getting tons of friends at the university to vouch for me. I'd be getting professors lined up. But, nope, you don't think about those things, eh? For you, it's perfectly acceptable to just claim that the super secret boogie men erased him somehow. Close the door. Stop all conversation after that. They erased him, that's good enough for you. No further input needed, right? Well, ok, let's go with that nonsense for a minute. Let's pretend you're right. It's ridiculous, but, let's pretend that's true, and that Bob Lazar let them erase his education without fighting it at all. OK, how can you tell the difference between Bob Lazar, vs. someone who made the whole thing up?? This is a serious question. If Bob Lazar has the resume he claims, yet it was "erased" somehow, ok, now, tell me, what mechanism would you use in order to distinguish Bob Lazar ("valid" MIT Master's holder in physics), vs. John Smith, a crackpot liar claiming to have an MIT education that was erased?? How could you know which was honest, and which was the liar? Hint: you cannot. It's called an "unfalsifiable claim." Sorry, but unfalsifiable claims are the weakest sort of claims on Earth.
YOU SAID: "For his evidence"
== WHAT evidence?!??!!?! WHAT evidence?!?!?!?! He never even pretended to have any evidence!!! It's all stories. He has only ever offered his words. There is no evidence!!! Good gods.
YOU SAID: "They took away actual EVIDENCE"
== Then why did you just ask me to look at his evidence?? If the evidence is gone, then I cannot look at it!!! He never offered any evidence.
YOU SAID: "of him attending college for his sciences AND working for the government Air Force base."
== So, if this evidence is magically gone somehow... why do you believe it? Again, this is called an "unfalsifiable claim" and it's ridiculous. Even if your crackpot version was true, there'd be no reason for you to believe it. I mean, put aside the fact that you cannot just delete someone's experiences. He should be able to find paper copies of the roster for his graduation ceremony, a physical degree, naming some classmates, naming some professors, naming his landlord, naming where he lived when attending there, SOMETHING. But, put that all aside, and let's pretend that somehow there's a valid reason he can't produce anything, and that the rest was all "erased," ok, fine, let's say that's true (which is difficult to even write, because it's so insane, but let's pretend that's true). OK, now, again, how do you tell the difference between Bob Lazar and a random jackass who makes the identical claims, but never actually went to MIT? If a random "John Smith" claimed the exact same things as Bob Lazar claimed, and offered no evidence whatsoever, but merely claimed his records were "erased" somehow, how could you tell the difference between Bob Lazar "legitimate" MIT graduate, vs. John Smith lying about being an MIT graduate? What mechanism would you use to distinguish the liar from the truth teller?
YOU SAID: "He has family friends and EX COWORKERS that vouch for him and knowing he attended yet the government wipes the slate clean so he looks as if he’s a liar."
== Oh, well, then I guess if family and friend vouch for him, it must be true, huh? Rae Carruth's mother vouched for him, so I have no idea why he was sent to prison. She said he could have never murdered that girl. So, he must be innocent, right? Rae Carruth's friends said he didn't murder the girl either. So, I can't imagine why he went to prison!?!?!!? Friends and family vouched for him!!! Good gods, you're an idiot.
Hey, dummy, if he could produce actual people who saw him at MIT, took classes with him, professors who instructed him, etc., he'd have done that. He'd have sued MIT for his degree back, and millions of dollars for damages. Spare me your "family and friends vouched for him" idiocy. Almost EVERY criminal has family and friends who vouch for them. Good gods. You UFO conspiracy nutjobs are all alike. You believe Bob Lazar because his claims align with what you WANT to believe, not because Bob Lazar is actually believable. His behavior is the exact OPPOSITE from what anybody would do if someone tried to "erase" him. If someone tries to "erase" you from MIT, you gather up evidence, witnesses who saw you at MIT, professors who taught you at MIT, landlords you rented from at MIT, paper copies of publications with your name on them at MIT, etc. Then, you sue MIT. But, no, Bob Lazar is apparently the dumbest MIT graduate on the planet. He did none of that. And, instead, he just went on TV and said they erased him from MIT, and he did absolutely nothing to stop it.
Tell me, do you actually believe Bob Lazar put a nuclear reactor in his 1985 Corvette also, and that he doesn't need gasoline? That's another one of his claims, you know. He never bothered to actually prove it or anything... ya know, like submit it to any science organizations for analysis and review, driving it around without using the gasoline engine, etc. Nope, he just tells you that it's nuclear powered. Again, like his Area 51 claims, it's all based on his word, nothing else whatsoever. But, apparently, that's good enough for you, right? So, do you believe Bob Lazar's 1985 Corvette is nuclear powered? Yes, or no?
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YOU SAID: "Who uses a credit card for his school lunch?"
== I did. Credit card companies give perks. It's also far easier than carrying cash around.
YOU SAID: "(have you americans always been this broke?)"
== Sure, it depends on the person. Some people use credit cards because they don't have the money immediately available. Others use credit cards for convenience and perks, and then pay off the balance in full. The use of credit cards doesn't mean someone is broke. Shaquille O'Neal used credit cards to purchase hundreds of thousands of dollars of furniture and stuff (funny story you can view on YouTube). Is he broke? Have you non-Americans always been so ignorant about how credit cards work?
YOU SAID: "And who keeps airplane tickets after their flight?"
== Almost nobody. But, if someone is supposedly erasing your identity, you can call the airline and ask for the records.
YOU SAID: "Only reasonable question you made is the one about his apartment lease,"
== Pfftttt. That was my only reasonable question? None of the other questions were reasonable? So, it wasn't reasonable to ask why Bob Lazar never fought MIT for his degree back? That wasn't a reasonable question?
YOU SAID: "but on the other hand more than enough people either lose them or throw them away after some years,"
== Yes, that's fine. But, a landlord would have a record, even if you didn't keep your copies. And, a landlord would have the bank records of your canceled checks also. So, if the big bad wolf somehow got to YOUR bank to cancel the records of your rent checks from your side, this would mean that the big bad wolf would also cancel checks from the receiver's bank also. Hmmm. Don't you think maybe the landlord would wonder why thousands of dollars suddenly disappeared from his/her bank account? I mean, remember, if you write a check, both the sending bank and the receiving bank have records of that check. The government cannot secretly erase one side and not the other, because then Bob Lazar can just ask the landlord to provide the records for the receiving side of those checks, right? So, this would mean that the government would have to go delete the receiving side of those payments also, right? Don't you think maybe the landlord would be really anxious to get involved, if a couple of years worth of rent checks just suddenly evaporated from his/her account?
YOU SAID: "doesn't matter if it's a smart or dumb person, this happens to all kind of people."
== What does? Impossible "erasing" of records and all personal experiences?
YOU SAID: "So if all those information's would be stored on a computer or in the document folders of the city you lived in, or at your bank, of course it's gonna be gone if you don't have any copy of your own at hand and the government and banks erases their copies to discredit you."
== Computer records in 1978-1982? Um, no. Yes, they used computers to keep balances and stuff and to speed up the process. But, everything back then was backed up on paper. All bank records. All computer records. All medical records. Everything. And, again, this argument is WORSE for you!!! If it had been all computerized, and the super secret powers went and deleted the money transfers from history, then this means that the landlord's records would evaporate also!! And, MIT's records!! And, every financial transaction Bob Lazar ever had.
YOU SAID: "Why he doesn't name or call out anyone from his time at MIT or S4 was explained in his interviews, he doesn't want to get them in trouble for backing up his history, simple as that."
== Again, you find this believable?? Again, this is what's called an "unfalsifiable claim." He has set up a situation that he is pretending that he has to provide NOTHING to back up his claims. Nothing at all. And, it's ridiculous. Sorry, but that doesn't fly. Clearly, he is under no threat himself. It's been 40 years, nobody has harmed him. Nobody has killed him. Nothing has happened to him. So, if the big bad wolf isn't going to hurt him directly, then people who saw him at MIT wouldn't be hurt either. This is pure insanity. You find that excuse believable? In your mind, you're washing away all accountability. You're literally setting up a scenario in your head that justifies believing impossible things, based on zero evidence whatsoever!!! By that standard, ANYBODY could say ANYTHING, and all they'd need to do is say, "I don't want to name anybody else," and you'd believe it. That's how your mind works??? Nope, sorry, that's not the way the world works. That's how delusions work. You are putting up a mental wall to prevent you from actually analyzing Bob Lazar's credibility. You have set up a standard for accepting claims based on NOTHING!!! Anything anybody ever says can be believed, under this criteria of yours. That's not a pathway to truth. That's a pathway deeper into insanity. If you're never going to demand that people substantiate extreme claims, and your entire model for deciding what's true and what's false is based on unfalsifiable claims, then you are doomed to believe the most stupid things anybody can ever claim.
YOU SAID: "If they don't come out by themselves he's not gonna force them into the whole mess he got himself into."
== Well, maybe if he hadn't lied about going to MIT, he would be in this mess he's in either.
YOU SAID: "Anyway, to all the bs about "THAT is what you'd do if someone was trying to "erase" you from MIT." All of those things you listed can't be done if you have been literally erased from the records and you don't own a copies anymore."
== Then you're not paying attention to what I'm asking. I said, let's pretend you're correct. Let's pretend you're right. STILL, why would you believe it? How can you distinguish between someone lying about all of it, vs. Bob Lazar's claims? How can you tell the difference?
YOU SAID: "How'd he get into that school, if he's not smart enough to start gathering up records when people are trying to "erase" him?" Yeah..because.. yeah that's what you do when you go to MIT or any other university right? You enter university and that is just the point, where every intelligent human being, gathers all his documents and locks them up in a secret safe, just in case that someone in the future tries to erase your records... Remember folks! Always be prepared to be a whistleblower one day."
== Hey, moron, Bob Lazar's Area 51 claims came out just a few years after he said he had attended MIT. I never said he should keep his records. You're not even reading anything I've written. I agree. I don't have all that much from my university days either. I kept my hardcopies of my degrees, I kept a couple little trinkets, and that's it. But, even many decades later, I could tell you the girls I dated. I could tell you my classmates. I could tell you my favorite professors. I can remember lots of details about the classes I took. Etc. Bob Lazar... smart enough to get into the most prestigious science institution on the planet, can remember NOTHING. But, forget all of that also. Again, his claim was that they were "erasing" him just a few years later, right? Not decades later. My point was, if it was just a few years since I got my degree from a university that they "erased" me from, I'd be able to go round up evidence. I'm not saying I'd keep the evidence AT THE TIME. But, I'd be able to go and get friends with copies of the graduation ceremony programs with my name on it. I'd be able to get bank records. I'd be able to get the airlines to go back and get the records for those miles I flew. I'd be able to get credit card records of ANY purchase I made there. Sorry, but, "they erased everything" doesn't fly. It's insanity.
YOU SAID: "Everything you say on this matter is pretty much just... Oh his records have been "erased"? Why doesn't he show some records to prove that they have been erased..duuuhh."
== EXACTLY, YOU MORON!!! You CAN'T erase them!!! Not completely anyway. Good grief. I'm not explaining this again.
YOU SAID: "What does Fraver have to do with Lazar??" Well, maybe the small little detail that the craft in Fravers footage behaved exactly like Lazar described it, it turned onto the side and shot off "belly" first. But sure it was just a bird or plastic bag/ballon again."
== Dumbass, I didn't say Fraver's thing was a bird or balloon. I said that history is full of millions of various UFOs. And, sorry, but Fraver's vague description of a shape is hardly evidence of the same thing Lazar claims.
YOU SAID: "I could go on, but I am tired of pointing out your bs.
Anyway, nice try Dennis. kek"
== You're an idiot.
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A) I don't recall ever posting anything about Bob Lazar on YouTube before the last day or two in this video. So, I have no idea what you're talking about.
B) What in the hell does any of your stories have to do with Bob Lazar's credibility? Hypothetically, I could tell you that everything you said in your posting was 100% true, and still, it wouldn't mean Bob Lazar is at all credible.
C) None of you Bob Lazar fanatics seems to be able to actually address any questions or challenges I put forth. None. Every single one of you crackpots just replies with anecdotal stories, and none of you people actually address the core of my questions/challenges to Bob Lazar's credibility.
D) My point is, there is absolutely no way to distinguish between Bob Lazar just telling ridiculous lies vs. Bob Lazar telling the truth. He offers no evidence of any kind. None. And, ok, so, if there's no evidence, what is the next logical step in determining whether something is true or not? You look at someone's credibility, right? Well, Bob Lazar has NONE!!! No credibility whatsoever!!! I mean, I already outlined why he has no credibility in this thread a million times over. So, I'm not going to sit here and repeat myself. So, I'll just ask one point. If YOU were someone (like Bob Lazar) who was in high school in the bottom 1/3rd in grades and academic achievements, and then you went to a non-accredited junior college, and then somehow managed to get into MIT (the world's top scientific institution that normally only accepts the top 1% of applicants) as the first person in history with no academic achievements to warrant getting in... after all of that, somehow you got into MIT... you pay through the nose for one of the the most expensive educations the world has to offer... and then some super-secret people somehow "erased" the fact that you got a degree from MIT... what would YOU do about it? Would you just say, "oh, they're erasing me" and move on with your life, doing absolutely nothing about it? Or, would you fight with everything you had to sue MIT for erasing you, and use every legal means necessary to get your degree back? Well, the story you MUST believe in order to find Bob Lazar credible is that he miraculously got into MIT despite competition from people far more academically qualified, then paid a tuition that costs more than most people's annual salaries at that age, got his Master's Degree in physics from there, and, then, after people tried to "erase" his records of ever being there, he did absolutely nothing to fight it. Nothing whatsoever. Didn't gather up what records he could. Didn't sue MIT for erasing him. Didn't collect bank records for paying MIT a single dime. Didn't depose witnesses would would remember him there. Nothing at all. THAT is what you'd have to believe in order to believe Bob Lazar. They took away a degree from the most prestigious university on the planet in that field, and he did ZERO to fight it, besides going on TV and saying "they erased it."
And, remember, this whole thing supposedly happened only a few years after he claimed he got his degree from MIT. So, banks would still be required to have records of canceled checks. Most professors probably still worked there, and he should be able to name them. Credit card companies would still be required to have records of all of the purchases. It was still fresh enough that there still should be plenty of written material around with his name on it. And, he should be able to name classmates. But, he did NONE OF THAT.
So, what are we left with? We're left with stories told by a convicted felon, with zero evidence whatsoever (beyond his words), and a track record of just letting himself "be erased" from MIT's records without lifting a single finger to fight it, after supposedly spending years of his life and a small fortune to get a degree... just letting it all go while doing nothing about it.
If you find this man to be credible, sorry, there's really nothing I can do for you.
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YOU SAID: "he has actual people backing him up from the school in his documentary professors, classmates, ex coworkers"
== Pffttt. WHO SAYS!!!?!?!? Him??? Who says any of those people are who he claims? Why didn't he sue MIT to get his degree back?!?!?! What's wrong with you!?!?! You're saying that he had all of those people to verify these claims, so why didn't he use them to get his degree back?!?!!?
YOU SAID: "Do research you have no links or resources for all of your denial"
== What? I'm supposed to produce a bibliography?? This is amazing stupidity. Did YOU just provide links or resources?? No?? In the very same sentence that you're complaining that I need to produce a bibliography, you yourself fail to produce a bibliography?? Good grief, you're dumb.
YOU SAID: "your just an annoying skeptic"
== My just an annoying skeptic?? Hey, dumbass, being skeptical is a GOOD thing. Skepticism is a method of analyzing claims. Skepticism is a method of thinking. Skepticism doesn't mean blind rejection or blind acceptance of things. Skepticism is a METHOD.
YOU SAID: "who wants to try to debunk a real solid case"
== You said it yourself, you moron, there IS NO EVIDENCE. How "solid" is a case that literally has no evidence whatsoever?
YOU SAID: "proving the government is corrupt and hiding much more beyond what we can imagine and your pea brain will never accept it because you live in a society bubble saying “oh now why would the gov do such a thing?"
== Hey, moron, you aren't even reading what I wrote!!!! You didn't even read it!!! How can you claim to know what I wrote, without reading what I wrote?!?!! Good gods, could you get any dumber? I never once said this statement you're accusing me of stating.
YOU SAID: "What evidence does he have?”"
== Exactly.
YOU SAID: "It was erasedddd my dude down to his social security number, college attendance and degree, etc."
== I'm not going over this again.
YOU SAID: "he has GRADUATION PHOTOS with friends and family in the documentary along with pay/clock in stubs from working at the air base in Mexico the ONLY piece of evidence that wasn’t erased and over missed which he also had as evidence in his documentary go ahead and watch it so you can know the facts of what happened instead of basically saying it’s all bs"
== Then, he should use that "evidence" to sue for his degree back, then shouldn't he? But, he doesn't, does he?
YOU SAID: "lmao your the only ignorant person in these comments"
== My the only ignorant person in these comments? You are not even literate!!
YOU SAID: "hints why everyone is coming at your neck and no I didn’t read not a damn one of your comments because it’s all rubbish and you sound like a complete idiot"
== So, you have proven me correct. You won't read anything I wrote, but, not only are you claiming that I'm wrong about what I wrote (which you didn't read), but, also, you have decided you already know what I wrote (without reading what I wrote).
You are a complete moron.
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@WhiteWishesHD
YOU SAID: "So if the topic is Bob Lazars credibility why do you then proceed to tell us how a banking infrastructure works and what the possibilities are within the system."
== Because I'm illustrating that bank records CANNOT be erased like people assert. If someone erases a bank transaction for $5000 in a tuition check, or $1000 in a rent check, or whatever, then that bank's balances are instantly wrong. And, this doesn't just happen on one side. It happens on both sides (receiving and sending side). And, people wouldn't take too kindly to all of the sudden having a couple years of their income (i.e. rent checks) suddenly evaporate. If Bob Lazar paid, let's say, $10,000 in rent over the years to [whoever], and the big bad wolf goes and erases those transactions, don't you think the landlord is going to notice? The point is, people can't go around claiming that the government can just "erase" bank transactions. It sounds all great in a single-lined YouTube comment that says, "they erased him." But, in reality, it CANNOT work that way.
YOU SAID: "You don't have a clue."
== Oh, yes, I do.
YOU SAID: "Your a MR know it all"
== My a Mr. Know It All?? Haven't you UFO conspiracy idiots ever recognized that most of you are completely illiterate? Don't you think that has some significance?
YOU SAID: "You claimed Bob said that there was lizard people in the government?"
== No, I didn't.
YOU SAID: "SOURCE PLEASE because last time I checked it was David Icke who said that. Ill think you find its you who has zero credibility.."
== Well, given that I never said that, I really don't have to worry about this comment. Your reading comprehension is just as bad as your ability to write.
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@angelramirez5417
YOU SAID: "Of course"
== There are 119 messages in this thread. Care you elaborate on what the hell you're responding to?
YOU SAID: "yep I saw what I saw no noise just vanished something was right above US 3 lights 1 in middle real dim like red triangle 🔺 🛸lights were white 🚀 🧖♂️🌌🌠🛸"
== Were you high at the time?
YOU SAID: "they dester destroyers our all it ty"
== I think maybe you need to come back and try again when you're sober. Nobody can understand a word you're writing.
YOU SAID: "got me thinking 🤔"
== I seriously doubt that.
YOU SAID: "but stop ✋ what if it was true"
== Pffttt. Well, outlandish claims require evidence, even if they're true. I answered this already. Even if the absolutely ridiculous claims made by Bob Lazar were true, there'd still be no reason for you to believe those claims. I mean, if your standards of evidence is to just blindly believe claims with no evidence, then you're pretty much doomed to just being an idiot all your life. You can go through your life with the "wait, what if it was true" attitude about ANYTHING. Bigfoot. Zeus. Thor. Loch Ness Monster. Unicorns. Flying pigs. Anything. By that standard of evidence, there's no limit to the amazing garbage that would fill your head. The time to believe things is when convincing evidence is presented. Bob Lazar presents NONE. And, his behavior is absolutely NOT congruent with what anybody in his [supposed] shoes would do. He has zero credibility. And, if you are going to go on the words of a convicted felon who claims to have attended MIT, and to have worked on alien craft, then I'm afraid there's really nothing I can do for you.
YOU SAID: "he just can’t know certain things he does js"
== WHAT things???
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@RealVennieKocsis
In any other walk of life, if someone like Bob Lazar made outlandish and self-contradicting claims, and lied about his education, with the "dog ate my homework" level of excuses, they'd be laughed out the door. But, the UFO crowd wants soooooo desperately to confirm their hallucinations were real, that they attach themselves to ANYBODY who makes a claim that aligns with their delusions. "I got a Master's in physics from MIT, despite lacking the academic record that would even get me in the door... the guv'ment erased it... I did nothing whatsoever to get it back... I never even attempted to produce a single person to back up my story that I attended... no bank records showing I paid tuition... no witnesses... no girlfriends I dated when there... no professors of any classes I took... no rent records for where I lived... nothing... and, by the way, I worked on alien spacecraft... you believe me, right?" If he was claiming to see live T-Rex dinosaurs, or Bigfoot, or anything else, these people would laugh Lazar out the door. But, he says he saw an alien craft, and oh, now it's believable. Right.
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Pffttt. So, you believe that? He says they're wiping out his existence, and you just swallow that story? HOW could anybody do that? I mean, Bob Lazar claimed to go to MIT, right? Well, even if they could magically figure out how to delete the records, why can't Bob Lazar show a diploma? Why can't he produce any professors or classmates that knew him? Why can't he show a canceled check for rent at an apartment there? Why can't he produce a plane ticket to fly there/back from his hometown? Why can't he show a credit card statement that shows he bought some books there, or a meal, or ANYTHING? I mean, what happened? Did the government hack every bank Bob Lazar ever banked with, and delete his checking accounts, credit cards, etc.? Did they hunt down and kill all of his classmates and professors (and somehow nobody noticed that all of those people are gone now)? Why can't Bob Lazar say where he lived when he was attending MIT? Give an address? Tell anybody who his landlord was?
Oh, but, meanwhile, people from his junior college where he took a couple of electronics classes remember him. I guess Bob Lazar is the first MIT student in history to also attend an unaccredited junior college, eh? Oh, and let's not forget his felony record also. I suppose the government manufactured that? How'd they pull that one off? Did they produce fake police officers and fake judges and fake district attorneys in order to create a fake felony record?
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@rishikantsingh7659
YOU SAID: "Don't you think that out of billion of galaxy there won't be one similar to earth ."
== Earth isn't a galaxy. But, if you're asking if there's life elsewhere, well, sure, probably so. What difference does that make? How does that make Bob Lazar's ridiculous claims credible?
YOU SAID: "Why humans are so distinct from other animals ?"
== Chromosomal mutations pertaining to brain functions that other animals don't have.
YOU SAID: "Don't you think it's the result of alien experimentation ?"
== Do I think that human beings are a result of alien experimentation? No.
YOU SAID: "And have you wondered why alien sightings suddenly increased after the atomic bomb tests ."
== Pfffttt. Source? And, don't you think that, with all of the massive amount of cameras constantly running, we'd have something better by now, rather than grainy FLIR images of birds flying through the parallax effect from F-18s? Or, weird looking heat signatures of ordinary things that look unordinary in the infrared?
YOU SAID: "So anything is possible man ."
== What does this have to do with Bob Lazar???? Good gods. How does anything you just asked make it magically believable that Bob Lazar is telling the truth about ANYTHING!!?!!?!?! Why can't any of you nutbags ever answer this? None of you ever do. You avoid it. Your entire model of "logic" is "I want to believe UFOs are aliens from other planets, Bob Lazar tells me that's the case, so I believe him." That's entirely your logic here. Good grief. That's EXACTLY how people end up believing in Bigfoot, Loch Ness Monster, psychics who talk to dead people, unicorns, thousands of various gods, and any other claptrap you can dream up.
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There are lots and lots of UFO sightings. The Navy, Air Force, etc., all acknowledge it. Nobody on Earth can deny UFO sightings. But, that's merely because of the definition of "UFO." It merely means "unidentified flying object." I mean, even a bird, if not properly identified, is an unidentified flying object. Rival countries produce aircraft that are hard to identify/track. Those are unidentified. But, alien craft?? Um, no. There's never been anything ever presented that is a credible piece of evidence for aliens. And, the recent (a few months ago) news wave about some of the "UFO" footage that was released... it's just a product of the way infrared cameras work. They released a couple of videos, one was a bird, and another was just an airplane, but, in the infrared, from tracking cameras going the opposite direction, make it seem like they're going insane speeds and can't be identified. It's just plain silly.
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@zenmeister451
Pffttt. Sorry, I'm not chasing you down this rabbit hole of insanity. I could sit here and write up all of the math and how that equipment works, and why, yes, pilots can be very confused. But, what's more telling than any of this is that they just release the segments they released, and not any of the stuff immediately afterward. It's pure nonsense. Ask yourself why they cut the footage when they did.
Beyond that, not that I'd appeal to someone else's authority, but, I just don't feel like trying to teach you how this stuff works... so, just go watch Thunderf00t's channel about those ridiculous "UFO" videos. Good grief.
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Now, it seems he is making claims of building all kinds of car propulsion systems. He started years back by claiming he had made a jet car. He offered no demonstration of this jet car actually working, just claimed that it went 200 mph. Then, he said he made a nuclear reactor powered car. He offered no demonstration of this nuclear powered car actually working, just claimed that it did. Then, he says he's running a car on hydrazine. He offered no demonstration of this hydrazine powered car actually working, just claimed that it did. But, don't worry, if Bob Lazar says it, his cult followers will believe it. After all, Bob has created a universe where he doesn't ever need to supply evidence of anything he says. All he needs to do is make the claim, and his cult followers believe him.
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I will never understand why people would believe a crackpot like Bob Lazar. He's never offered a shred of actual evidence to believe these outlandish claims. His only "evidence" is his own words. I mean, even if his crazy stories were true, there'd be no reason to actually believe them. Bob Lazar said he went to MIT. Yet, he can't produce a report card, a diploma, a canceled check for rent on an apartment there, a credit card receipt for a meal on campus, nothing. Nada. OK, so, fine, somehow the super secret government authorities have erased all of that, right? OK, can he produce a classmate who remembers him? A professor that remembers him? Nope, can't do that either. Oh, but, somehow, his felony record is still intact, and people DO remember him at the unaccredited junior college where he took a couple of electronics classes. I guess he's the first MIT student in history to ever attend a junior college also, huh? Yeah, soooooo believable.
But, people believe him anyway. Why? Because they WANT the story to be true. It has nothing to do with credibility, feasibility, or evidence. Nope. None of those things matter. All that matters is whether someone WANTS to believe this stuff. That's the only criteria for determining what's believable or not... how much the viewer WANTS to believe.
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@hannahgabrielle3191
YOU SAID: "you’re ignorant"
== Wow. THAT's the answer to my questions/challenges?? You obviously didn't even read what I wrote, because you fail to address a single thing I said.
YOU SAID: "and that’s the conclusion to your biography you just wrote in the comments"
== No, you didn't even read it. I asked specific questions. You aren't answering. So, don't pretend you even read it.
YOU SAID: "sorry you trust the government so much to think they’d never do such a thing"
== Hey, moron, has it ever occurred to you that I do NOT blindly trust ANYBODY, not the government, not Bob Lazar, NOBODY!?!? Has that thought never crossed your feeble little mind? I trust claims on an individual basis. If the government makes a claim that cannot be substantiated, I do not trust it. If Bob Lazar makes a claim that cannot be substantiated, I do not trust it.
YOU SAID: "but look around in the whole pandemic we’re in?"
== WHAT THE HELL DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH BOB LAZAR'S 1980S RESUME!?!?!?! Good gods, you're dumb. Do you really expect me to sit here and talk about something separated by 40 years from the topic, and has absolutely nothing to do with Bob Lazar??? This is why it's impossible to deal with you morons. I name specific questions about specific claims from 1978-1982, and you're talking about a virus from 2019?? Good grief. You delusional nutbags are impossible.
YOU SAID: "The government is capable of way more than what they want is civilians and society to know."
== WHAT government? The Chinese government? OK. So, you think they manufactured this virus to destroy the world's economy and kill millions of people?? What does this have to do with Bob Lazar going to MIT?? You are completely insane.
YOU SAID: "Just like they have technology far more advanced than we have from reverse ingeneering ufo technology"
== Sorry, if you cannot spell "engineering" correctly, I have zero faith in your expertise about what has been reverse "inginnered" (your spelling) from "UFO technology."
YOU SAID: "and we are comparable to cavemen with the resources we have as tech at our fingertips if only you knew the power of their tech and working with exterrestrials."
== Exter? Exterterrestrials?? Not "extraterrestrials"?? What exactly IS an "exterterrestrial"? That's a new one for me.
YOU SAID: "They have Air Force bases under water, in mountains, hidden every where where exterrestrials work with them. They have exoplanet bases .. yes that’s right OFF THE PLANET bases where they have secret space programs."
== Are you on drugs, or are you a child? It's one or the other.
YOU SAID: "My dad worked for the Air Force as Sargent."
== Well, I guess that means he must be knowledgeable about these super-secret things. Not even an officer, and he's "in the know" about alien bases on other planets.
YOU SAID: "Just to let you know,"
== Oh, yes, I really need YOU to teach me things.
YOU SAID: "you really really need to understand that the governments corrupt full of lies and they are working with extraterrestrials, they ARE reverse ingeneering"
== Thanks for confirming it wasn't a typo.
YOU SAID: "their technology, and bob lazar was set up to look like a liar. Believe what you want at the end of the day. Facts are facts if you choose to be blind and “logical” as you say instead of considering every option and not ruling it out as impossible, you wouldn’t be so naive."
== Oh, the irony.
YOU SAID: "Do you also not know the pentagon released ufo photographs and footage on the news confirming ufos are real"
== Of course UFOs are real. Nobody claims otherwise. There are millions of them throughout history. But, this is because you don't know what the acronym means. "UFO" means "unidentified flying object." It means it's unidentified. It could be birds. It could be a secret airplane developed by other nations. It could be a secret airplane developed by our nation. It could be meteors. It could be readings malfunctioning equipment. There have been millions of unidentified objects, decade after decade after decade after decade. So what?
YOU SAID: "and the have been investigating for some time now? You are very delayed."
== Yes, and never once has any of these unidentified flying objects ever proven to be aliens.
Lay off of the drugs, you insane maniac. Go get an education. Sheeessshh.
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@garryprosser281
Apparently, I got this this thread confused with a different thread. I thought I explained this already in this thread. But, since I didn't, I'll explain this to you.
You have NO UNDERSTANDING of this topic. None whatsoever.
When they say they "discover" new elements, that's a bit of a misnomer. The new elements aren't "discovered," they're MADE. And, they've been making new elements since the 1930s with element number 43. Basically, they stick some large elements into an atom smasher or cyclotron, and try to fuse two elements together, or to simply add protons. Most of the time, it's not successful. But, every once in a while, they successfully manufacture a new element. Now, keep in mind, these new elements don't last. They fall apart almost the instant they're made. But, in those scientific circles, it's a bit of an accolade to make a new element. And, they're always trying to make bigger and bigger ones. They have been doing this since the 1940s.
So, if Lazar predicted element number 115, it's not all that special or surprising. All he had to do was to look at the periodic table of elements, and predict a bigger number than had already been made. And, from there, it's just a matter of time. Again, they had been manufacturing these elements since the 1930s, bigger, and bigger, and bigger. It's not very unique or special to predict 115, any more than it's special if you predict 120 today (yet undiscovered, or not yet made).
Yet, you know none of this. And, you're quoting "Ununpentium 115"?? Have you bothered to look at the periodic table of elements and find out that 115 is NOT named Ununpentium?? Your own article that you're quoting from was WRONG. It wasn't the first time 115 was manufactured. It had been manufactured a decade earlier.
Anyway, once again, you're just another clueless Bob Lazar fan who doesn't bother to fact-check anything. You don't know what you're talking about. It sounds impressive to you that Bob Lazar named a new element. But, any idiot who ever attended Physics 101 in any university on the planet would know that those big elements aren't found in nature, they're MADE. And, in science, they are constantly trying to make new elements. During Bob Lazar's time, the biggest elements ever made were in the 100s. So, all Bob Lazar needed to do was name something bigger (like 115), and eventually it would be made. Today, you can name something in the 120s, and eventually it will be made, and you too can claim to have alien knowledge, and the idiots with no clue how elements work will worship YOU, just like you're worshiping Bob Lazar.
This whole thread is an idiot parade. It really is. Not a single one of you clowns understands this stuff. You are dazzled by a liar who makes these stupid claims, because these stupid claims align with your predetermined conclusions.
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@zenmeister451
I stopped reading your comments a few days ago, but, I happened to glance at a couple of them just now. Not all, but a couple.
1) You're correct, I don't need any help, but fine, thanks (maybe?)??
2) "Ridicule is the only weapon against unintelligible positions." - Thomas Jefferson. And, yeah, the claims these people in this thread are making are quite unintelligible. The main topic is on Bob Lazar's credibility. And, none of these clowns even attempt to answer the challenges and questions I've put forth. Or, if they do, it's just a small half-hearted attempt, and they cherry pick a couple of my questions, and ignore the rest. These people are STUPID. There's no other way to put it. And, I'm not going to sit here and cater to their stupidity. Bob Lazar not only has zero evidence to back up any of his astonishing claims, but he doesn't even do things that anybody in his [claimed] situation would do. He just says "they're erasing me." And, the stupid followers just blindly believe him. And, ultimately, they cannot distinguish between a liar who would make identical claims to Bob Lazar's claims, vs. Bob Lazar's claims. There literally is no distinction between a liar and Bob Lazar. They only reason these idiots flock to him is because he's saying stuff they WANT to believe. It's an amazing phenomenon in human behavior, proven a billion times over, that if you tell people what they want to hear, stupid people will believe it. Meanwhile, smarter people demand a higher standard of evidence. Even if Bob Lazar's claims were true, there'd still be no reason to actually believe those claims.
3) As I've said, and thus far nobody has attempted to answer (unless you did in some of the comments I didn't read), aside from the unfalsifiable claims made by Bob Lazar ("unfalsifiable" is a BAD thing, for those readers who don't understand that word), the claims themselves about MIT are amazingly unbelievable. Just from the start, how does someone in the bottom 1/3rd of his high school classes ever get into MIT anyway? OK, he went to a junior college first?? Has MIT ever accepted someone who ever attended a junior college? I mean, we're not talking about someone who needed to repair some bad marks from high school by doing some junior college first, then attempting to get into a university (a path that is quite acceptable, and even desirable), but, we're talking about MIT!!! But, ok, let's say he gets past that, and somehow gets in, despite the 298437045752 applicants ahead of him with stronger resumes, ok, how does he just let everyone "erase" him without a fight? That's really quite telling. And, to produce NOTHING as evidence is insanity. Phone records of him calling anybody while at MIT? Nope. Phone records of anybody in his circle of family or friends calling him? Nope. Canceled rent checks? Nope. A hardcopy of his diploma? Nope. Credit card statements showing a purchase of ANYTHING while on campus there? Nope. A medical insurance record for visiting a doctor while at MIT? Nope. Some paychecks from a part-time job he got while on campus? Nope. He hides it all under the blanket excuse that he doesn't want to subject others to scrutiny by naming them. Well, isn't that just convenient or what? He absolves himself of ever needing to produce any records, or even needing to ATTEMPT to produce any records, by claiming that he's "protecting others." Meanwhile, he's under no real threat himself, let alone would anybody else be under any threat. And, what are we left with?? A guy who says he spent a boatload of money to get an MIT education, who does absolutely nothing whatsoever to preserve his record there?? No lawsuits?? Nothing?? Just, "they erased my record, and I'm not going to name a single person who knew me at MIT, I'm just going to let them erase it, and go on with my life." It's outstandingly stupid, and I shouldn't need to explain it. But, apparently I do, because the believers of this story are simply too stupid to figure this out themselves. In ANY other circumstances, they'd laugh off any such unfalsifiable claims. If anybody else made Bob Lazar's amazing claims about getting a degree from MIT, then doing nothing whatsoever to keep it, these very same people who laugh at that person as a crackpot liar. But, nope, not Bob Lazar. And, why not? Because they WANT to believe him. It has nothing to do with how believable this man actually is. It's because they WANT to believe him.
4) I don't know what you saw, or what you think you saw. But, your claims are no different than the million other claims out there made by a million other people. Without evidence, there's no way to distinguish between hallucinations, vs. seeing secret military craft, vs. human memories that have altered over the years, vs. actual aliens. There simply is no way to distinguish your claims from anybody else's claims. And, even though you're not quite like the parade of morons in this thread, you still suffer from the same wishful thinking that they do. You WANT this stuff to be true. That is your driving force. You can sit there and wait until the day you die for something to happen to confirm your bias. But, as you noted, you're probably not going to see that happen. I have no idea why you've attached yourself to this nonsense to the degree that you have. But, in the process of clinging to your amazing beliefs about aliens, you apparently think they're the stupidest aliens around, eh? Why would aliens come lightyears to get here, then hide themselves, or crash (if you think they crashed, like many people think), or cooperate with corrupt governments, etc.? It's silly. I mean, distrust of the government is healthy, yes. But, to think that the government is capable of making aliens do whatever they want... it's silly. There's no actual reason to believe that government could even ask aliens to stay concealed. And, what's left at the end of the day is nothing but a parade of outstanding stories with no actual evidence outside of human experiences (flawed), human memories (flawed), and a whole bunch of misunderstandings about how technologies work. Bravo for you, if you find that sort of thing appealing. I'd say you've wasted your life on such things. But, it's your life to waste, and I can have no say in that.
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@garryprosser281
YOU SAID: "Thats Fantastic!!"
== What is? The fact that you find it impressive that someone predicted a new element? Go ahead, predict element 122 or something. Go ahead and claim that the military has this element somewhere. And, 30 years from now, morons with the same level of understanding that you have about this topic (zero) will worship you like you worship Bob Lazar.
You know what's a bit ironic here... why would the military even care to have this element 115? What would they do with it? You're claiming that the military has 5 pounds of it, or something like that, right? Why do you believe that? Because Bob Lazar said so, right? OK, what are they going to do with it? Why would they even bother having it? If they managed to keep it stable by some miraculous method, ok, what next? The second they take it out of the magical box that's holding it together, it's going to collapse, and there won't by anything left of it. So, why have it? What good is it doing them? They can't construct anything with it. They certainly don't need it as a weapon, because there are already more than enough nukes to blow up the entire planet 100x over, and those huge elements don't make for good weapons use anyway, even if they could figure out a way to make them explode. The hydrogen bomb is far superior to any massive element based nuclear bomb. So, a dirty bomb maybe? OK, but, still, why? They could accomplish the same thing a million different ways without needing 115 to do it. 115 falls apart too fast to even be effective as a dirty bomb. So, what EXACTLY do you think they're going to do with that stuff? Why would the military even have it?
Clue: you don't know anything about that, nor do you care. The only thing you care about is that Bob Lazar said "there's an element 115, and the military has it." That's all you care about. It doesn't matter to you that predicting a new element will be made someday is about as impressive as predicting that there will be a new Ben and Jerry's ice cream flavor someday. They have been making new elements since the 1930s/1940s, bigger and bigger. But, you don't care. Bob Lazar said there was a new element, and that's all you care about. You didn't even lift a finger to verify that YOUR OWN ARTICLE THAT YOU POSTED was WRONG!!!! Nope, doesn't matter to you. All that matters is that you need Bob Lazar to be credible. You want him to be correct. You want to believe the claptrap he's spewing, so, you don't lift a finger to learn anything about the actual science, and you just act impressed that he said "115," and you think that's super-impressive.
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@zenmeister451
YOU SAID: "
First: I know what I have seen. You do not! To immediately presume them to have been any number of possible errors in my perception would tend to make me believe that you are being just as myopic in your negative stance as are those you claim are being in their all-believing stance. YOU DO NOT KNOW ME!"
== Irrelevant. Even if **I** saw what you claim you saw, I'd blame hallucination or misperception before I'd conclude aliens. Also, I already acknowledged that I don't know what you saw. But, if you want to waste your life, waste it. It's yours to waste. But, from anybody else's perspective, these claims are no different than the millions upon millions upon millions of claims of seeing Bigfoot, alien abductions with anal probing, all kinds of religious sightings of Jesus, Mohammed, Vishnu, Krishna, Ganesh, Thor, you name it, sightings of ghosts, Loch Ness Monster, or just one of those dreams that seems so real that you just can't tell the difference. It doesn't matter. I'm not making any claims about which explanation (if any) explain why you saw whatever you say you saw. I don't care. It means nothing. Human beings are remarkably flawed. And, a flaw in your human mind, or a flaw in what your human mind thinks it saw, is a far more reasonable explanation than your self-manifested delusions about it. Make no mistake here, you are going to go to your grave someday, whether that's in 6 days, 6 years, or if you become the oldest person ever 6 decades from now, you're never going to see your delusions come to "reality."
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, the scientific side of my mind has no proof of anything, etc. I understand this. I'm just talking about reality here. I don't know what you saw, and neither do you. The rest of your pursuit has been nothing but a waste of your time. But, it's your time to waste, so, fine, go ahead and waste it. I really don't care. Someone else out there is chasing Bigfoot right now, with exactly the same conviction and strength of belief that you're using while you are chasing aliens. I can't force you to be sane. And, assuming you're the age you're saying (which, yes, I'll take at face value), there's no changing you anyway. You've already jumped off the ledge, and you're faaaarrrr too gone for me to ever rescue... especially because you clearly don't want to be rescued.
So, go ahead, waste the rest of your life aligned with these internet clods who are miles beneath you in intelligence (and literacy, for that matter). It's yours to waste.
I didn't read the rest of what you wrote. You're too far gone to be worth that much of my time. Here I am telling you that you're wasting YOUR life... while I'm clearly wasting mine trying to teach a 74 year old man about epistemology. Ain't gonna happen. I'd have better luck converting the pope to Islam.
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@garryprosser281
YOU SAID: " i replied to your level of knowledge, thats fantastic!"
== Oh, ok. It was hard to tell that's what you were saying.
YOU SAID: "But your attitude, towards people is that of a total "fkn Bellend".."
== Yup. I have a very low tolerance for people who spew such ridiculous stupidity, as seen in this thread. But, as I said, "ridicule is the only weapon against unintelligible positions." (Coined by Thomas Jefferson.) Seriously, the problem with internet blogs and YouTube comments is that most people think that their comments mean something. It's interesting. You give someone a voice, and suddenly they think this means their voice has value. Well, it doesn't. The parade of stupid people in this thread is quite amazing. Most of them can barely even write a literate sentence. And, to ask any of them to understand the concept of holding some standards of evidence... forget it... they're just too dumb. Their only criteria for believing or disbelieving things is to make a predetermined conclusion... then believe anything that aligns with that conclusion, or reject anything that doesn't. That's literally how their minds operate.
YOU SAID: "I never claimed anything, all i said was i watched this years ago & read info about the element 115, as it was the first time ive ever heard of it mentioned by bob lazar!"
== Yet, you didn't even lift a finger to look at the periodic table of elements to see that 115 is NOT called what you said it was. See, here's the thing: articles get stuff wrong all the time. They're written by people. And, frankly, quite a lot of the writers actually have no understanding of the topics they're writing about. This goes for just about every topic. This is why you should never blindly trust anything you read, especially in magazine/web/newspapers, etc. Yes, take the input, then check it. See if it's correct. A lot of times, it is. A lot of times, it's not. And, of course, reading peer reviewed science journals gives a much better track record than standard media. But, yes, journal articles are also wrong sometimes.
YOU SAID: "I dont claim to be a physicist or genius, just someone who' s interested in what bob lazar has to say"
== OK, I'm interested in what he has to say. I can use a good laugh also. But, to take the man seriously?? Nope. Can't do it. I know too much about the sciences to trust anything he says about science. And, I also know that he is going about these things in the exact opposite way than any REAL MIT graduate would ever go about these things. The funny thing is, it's within my capability to manufacture stories even better than Bob Lazar's stories. And, of course, there'd be no way for anybody to distinguish between my lies, vs. Bob Lazar's claims.
YOU SAID: "& ufo's..."
== Yes, there have been millions of UFOs throughout recorded history. So what? Why do you find them so interesting?
YOU SAID: "the fact of the matter is that your trying"
== ENGLISH!!!!! Good grief. Instead of chasing Bob Lazar and UFO stories, why don't you go learn to read and write!?!?! I promise you, it'll serve you far better in life to know the difference between "you're" and "your," than to waste your life on a crackpot like Bob Lazar. Good grief.
YOU SAID: "to force your opinions onto others,"
== Jeeesssuuuusss ffrrrreeeeeekkkiiinnnn Chhhrriiiisssttttttt. What the HELL are you talking about? 90% of what I've written have been QUESTIONS!!! These are QUESTIONS that almost nobody here will even touch with a 10 foot pole. And, you're accusing me of "forcing" things?? HOW?!?!?! First of all, I can't force anybody to believe anything. But, it's ironic that you'd accuse me of it. All I've done is point out how and why Bob Lazar's credibility is zero. And, for the most part, I've done this by using the Socratic method, which is the OPPOSITE of using force. Yet, it's quite telling that you'd think it was force. It shows me that your mind just doesn't know how to deal with being asked these kinds of questions. Like all of the others, you didn't answer any of my dozens of questions either. But, can you answer this one? What would YOU do if MIT took your degree away? If you spent a fortune and years of your life getting a degree from MIT, the most prestigious science university on the entire planet, would you just go on TV and claim that they took your degree away from you, and do nothing else about it? Or, would you fight with everything you had to get it reinstated, by suing MIT for doing it in the first place? Can you even answer? Or, do you consider me to be "forcing" you into something by merely asking the question?
YOU SAID: "with a bad attitude in the tone of your words..."
== "Bad" to whom? To idiots in this thread who can't even read?
YOU SAID: ""Fact is" i couldnt give two f*ks what you say ok?"
== Obviously. You think I'm so threatening to you that you think I'm "forcing" you into things. Good gods.
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@garryprosser281
What you're saying is like saying that I challenge Bob Lazar to a basketball game at the Chuck-E-Cheese basketball net. Real science is done in the scientific peer review method of journals and scrutiny and testing. That's the NBA. Going on TV and making crazy claims is what crackpots do. And, that's yet another reason to know that Bob Lazar is not an MIT physicist. Nobody who has that degree would be doing what he's doing. People with those credentials know that the pathway to demonstrate the scientific claims they're making is via the scientific method, not by going on Joe Rogan or Channel 64 local news. That's what crackpots do. If Bob Lazar has anything of value to offer in the world of science, he can publish in science journals. THAT is where the rebuttals happen. But, nope. Bob Lazar stands at the Chuck-E-Cheese basketball net saying "I'm the greatest basketball player of all time." And, NBA players are like, "what the hell, who is that idiot?" The main difference is that you have to be drafted into the NBA to play there. But, ANYBODY can submit publications in science to science journals.
You shouldn't be sitting here asking me why I don't challenge Bob Lazar at his Chuck-E-Cheese basketball net. You should be asking yourself why Bob Lazar thinks Chuck-E-Cheese is the place to go to make the claim of being the greatest basketball player. And, who cares what **I** do or say? I'm challenging you and everyone else by asking questions. These are questions that you and everybody else refuse to answer. I'm saying, "Hey, dummies, Bob Lazar is playing at CHUCK E CHEESE!!!!!, Not the NBA!!!" But, like the 3 year olds that play at Chuck-E-Cheese, you don't know the difference between Chuck-E-Cheese and the NBA. You don't even know what the scientific method is.
Forget me. Why doesn't ANYBODY challenge Bob Lazar's crackpot notions??? Answer: because only idiots fall for his nonsense in the first place.
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