Comments by "Sergey Bebenin" (@sergeybebenin) on "Good Times Bad Times" channel.

@Jafes2011 Cities you mentioned are either Finno Ugric or Tartars. Nothing in common with Rus in terms of culture and history. Yes there were ties to Rus due to trading and Slavs expanding East but it doesn't make those ancient cities = Rus. There's a reason there was a very lengthy period of time when there was an "entity" called Moscowy, which had nothing to do with Kiev. Anyway, think what you wish but there's no way you'll be able to convince any Ukrainian that they have anything in common with Tatars (not to be confused with Crimean Tatars) or Finno Ugric people.
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@Jafes2011 Yes those 2 you mentioned are Slav settlements on Finno Ugric tribe lands. And? Settlement is not a culture. Over time there were more and more settlements farther east all the way to Alaska. Is this all Rus with Rus/Slav culture and customs? Of course not. Not even close. Rus "empire" disintegrated and collapsed to its original ethnic territory, give or take (modern day Ukraine). Just like Roman empire is back to it's ethnic territory Italy. Just like British empire back to it's ethnic territory. Etc, etc. Russian Federation is the last standing empire and some day will suffer the same fate. What I don't understand is how/why you Russians think that Ukraine or even parts of Ukraine "belong" to Russia???? No matter how you twist it, Ukraine is the origin of Rus and Rus culture. Yes, some of it expanded east. And? If anything is YOUR land belongs to Ukraine but we don't think like that and don't question borders.
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@Jafes2011 Again, and? All these principalities we're fighting one another. It wasn't a coherent "state". In any case, as I said, what gives you the right to call Ukraine part of Russia? Ukraine/Kiev Rus is the birthplace of this culture and Ukraine is on its ethnic lands, speaks local language and lives local ethnic cultural style. Russia is currently on lands of countless ethnic lands going back to origins and has zero right to claim anything that belongs to Ukraine.
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@Jafes2011 It's like USA claiming part of UK because of population origin and language.
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@Jafes2011 "In the middle of the 9th century Nevogardas was a name used to describe Viking staging posts on the trade route from the Baltic Sea to the Byzantine Empire. There is a theory that in fact it was not Novgorod as misinterpreted by later chroniclers (as stated by dendrochronology, Novgorod was founded only in the middle of the 10th century),[5] but Nevo Gardas – Viking settlements on Lake Ladoga, as in one of Nestor's chronicles from the 12th century he mentions a lake called "the Great Nevo", a clear link to the Neva River and, possibly furthermore, to Finnish nevo "sea" or neva "bog, quagmire".[6] Novgorod was populated by various Slavic, Finnic and Baltic tribes that were constantly at war with one another for supremacy." Later on Kiev Rus got "involved" but Novgorod by no means was based on Kiev Rus culture, as stated above. Anyway, it's a pointless conversation
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@Jafes2011 I'm saying that modern Russian territory is located on lands of peoples of different cultures from Slavic culture that came out of Kiev Rus (presently Ukraine territory). So instead of constantly talking about Russian and Ukrainian people being "one whole" (this fluff is a never ending propagate from Russia), talk about your actual history and cultures. It's like no other cultures existed in Russia. When in fact entire RF is a patchwork of very different cultures and ethnic groups. Prince rulers of principalities doesn't mean population was of the same descent. Romanoff family and Catherine the Great were all Germans. Doesn't make you any more Germans.
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@Jafes2011 Theory? That's your opinion. But it's not what it says on wiki
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@Nista357 Um, it was part of Russian empire at that time, yes. I was responding to a chauvinist who said there was not such nation are Ukraine prior 20th century.
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@Nista357 Wow. I literally proved it by Pushkin's reference. How about maps and documents that go back way way earlier than Pushkin? Would love to hearb what you gonna come up with to explain that.
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@Nista357 @Dimitrije Stevanovic Looks like my post was blocked because of references I was providing. Guillaume Beauplan is one name you have to Google to see his maps of Ukraine before such thing as "Russian" empire even existed.
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@Nista357 That's just one example. I have no idea why other part of my post keeps getting deleted
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@Nista357 By the way, where did Pushkin say "integral part"? Why are you being such a chauvinist?
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@Nista357 No, I'm not going to "bear" with your nonsense. After I read your first paragraph I can clearly see your chauvinist views are perfectly aligned with vast majority of russians. You can't be serious to call a huge swath of land a "border" LMAO. "Border" bigger then duchy of Moscowy itself? 🤣 Ukraine clearly existed and was on the same map that showed other entities you have no problems with but for some reason Ukraine is not the same... Ok buddy, whatever you want to believe. Simple fact - Ukraine is a direct descendant of Rus. It's literally located on the same lands give or take. Ukrainian language is a direct descendant of Rus language. In fact, Rusin language (even closer) is almost identical to Ukrainian language. Ukrainians as "people", naturally, are direct descendants of Rus people. I have nothing else to add. Facts speak for themselves and you just keep on finding excuses to ignore them and take away Ukrainian identity. Chauvinist at his best
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@Nista357 1. Here's a fresh one for you https://youtu.be/ZgN2f5lkwU0 2. Not sure what map you are talking about. Countless maps with "Ukraine" next to Moscowy (well before dates you are talking about). I didn't lose any argument.... You are exactly who I said your are. Your are continuing trying to strip Ukraine of its identity and continuing to ignore chauvinism on top levels in russian government. "Ukraine" existed well before "Russia", it's a fact. Back then such concept as "state" was vague and on Beauplan's map at this point in time Ukraine was under Polish control. So what? The point is that there was such entity as "Ukraine" settled by people with unique language and culture. Period. And modern Ukraine is on roughly the same lands and speaking roughly the same language. Period.
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@Nista357 1. I'm tired to proving to you that "border land" is a fairy tail from modern Russia. it's a fact that Ukraine as an entity existed before "Russia". Rusins are in fact direct Ukrainian ancestors. Just like Italians are direct Roman ancestors. Just like Syrians are direct ancestors of Persia. "Entity" names change but root people stay put on their origin lands (even after empires fall they still remain in the origin). 2. I'll tell you exactly what this Russia Duma representative (rulling party) said in regards to negotiations with Ukraine. And I quote: "They are cockroaches. Would you negotiate with cockroach? No. You squash cockroach with a shoe or poison them with gas". Oh, and by the way, that guy "accidentally" happened to be head of so called "DNR" when Russian hybrid army occupied parts of Donbass.
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@Nista357 Huh? Of course Ukraine didn't exist before Rus. I never said it did. But Ukraine existed before Russia. It's a fact recorded on countless maps. No, Rusins are not direct ansestors of Russia. (I made a silly mistake about Syria by the way, my bad, but my point stands with your correction). Anyway, today's euro-Russia is spanning territories of countless Finno Ugric, Mordovian, etc. nations that in physical appearance don't differ much, if at all, from the rest of "Caucasians". You telling me all these people just magically vanished? Why aren't they proud of their own heritage and instead cling on to Kiev? When in FACT, cultures are different, language is different. It makes no sense! Your comment on events in Ukraine is 100% inline with Russo state propaganda. Not even going to play your game. But you said it's "just one"? No. Deputy Chairman of Duma literally calls to "hang them on light poles" when talking about Ukrainians not agreeing to bend under russian pressure. He also says "Ukraine is fake state, Kiev is my Russian city". Deputy Chairman of Duma literally said "Ukraine will be all ashes with corpses of soldiers when we march in", he literally offered Poland if they want to split up Ukraine between Russia and Poland. Putin's right hand Surkov (was in charge of curating invasion of Donbass) literally just wrote an article stating that Russia is destined to expand as an empire. I can go on and on but looks like your brain is already poisoned too far with Russo propaganda
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??? Ukraine never cut off gas. It's russia that has been terrorizing Ukraine for decades by threatening to cut off gas or raise prices to unaffordable levels. Most recent arbitration in Stockholm literally awarded Ukraine 3 billion $ for decades long bullying and Russia paid
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Show the agreement. Also, "west" is where all people want to live -it's a fact. That's why all russian gov. and rich families live in Western world and keep their money there. That's why immigrants run to Western countries and not Russia. So common sense ex Soviet counties slowly moved towards "west".
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@soonpohtay4794 Huh? Answer my question.
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@MrKakibuy I did read carefully, he mentioned some mythical agreement. Thank God NATO did not get disbanded because today you'd have Russia back on what used to be Eastern block (give or take). Russian by nature are chauvinist imperialists, literally. I watch what russian officials, opinion leaders, or just civilians say and it's mind-blowing that such nation still exists in 21st century
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@MrKakibuy You are either not from ex Soviet Republic or just one of them. Because they aren't even hiding it and if you understood Russian language you'd hear this all the time
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@MrKakibuy 1. You have no response to what I said about your "elites". Lemonov says Latvia is Russian, Poland is Russian .etc. Zirinovskiy's favorite topic is how to destroy Ukraine. Surkov organized occupation. Girkin says Ukraine is part of russia. I can keep going and going.... 2. You specifically? Answer this controlling, simple question that has only ONE answer:.. what country does Crimea belong to?
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@MrKakibuy Got it, so you aren't any different then. My point stands. By your logic lots of European countries have to redraw borders. Only russia is doing it. Anyway, I have nothing else to add. You basically proved my point
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@MrKakibuy I have no idea who are you talking about. I listed names of Russian gov officials on some of the highest level and leaders of society. Never heard anyone famous/in power in Germany or Ukraine question internationally recognized.borders
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@MrKakibuy Again, I gave examples of Russian opinion leaders and gov officials calling to erase Ukraine from political map, literally. And not just Ukraine. And again, your agreement that Crimea belongs to Russia is literally proving my point. Couldn't care less what you think should have happened in 1991.
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@Jafes2011 Another one https://youtu.be/OBIE5wG4LwQ
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@Jafes2011 Latest - talking about occupying Turkey
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@Jafes2011 And regarding Russians "not being involved". Well. Fresh off the presses again. Girkin - the guy that lead Crimea occupation and then Donbass. Later was "minister of defense" on the occupied territory. https://youtu.be/MfiAKO-_ovM
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@Jafes2011 By the way. Unlike you, I'm not hiding my last name. And guess what? It's of Russian origin because my grandfather is from Russia. So I don't hate "russians" nationality wise. I hate Russian citizens for allowing (and actually supporting) their government in imperialist ambitions... Like I said, because vast majority are chauvinists
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@Jafes2011 just bunch of lunacy. Facts don't lie and I already provided facts. Not even going to read your another crazy essay
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@Jafes2011 Again, I presented facts and you are talking propaganda. The fact is that the war never ended, it's just not "all out" conventional war. But it was in 2014-15. Today Russia is terrorizing Ukraine from along internationaly recognized borders as well as from the occupied territories. You know if, the rest of the world knows it and talks about it almost daily. You are just sleazy liar like most of you.... just another "russian liberal". Your "liberalism" ends on Ukrainian question. So typical - chauvinist as rest of russia. And when Ukrainians defend their land you of course start the nonsense about "nationalism". Have nothing else to say
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@Jafes2011 Stopped reading after the first sentence. Total nonsense BS... Proof? All European countries and USA in agreement and backing up Ukraine. Like I said, just get lost... You are useless to me. Just like all russians
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@CloneDAnon It was a neutral country before russia invaded Crimea and Donbass. You need to update your work instructions because outside of top Kremlin officials no one is hiding this anymore and openly talks about it
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