Comments by "Marc Joly" (@emjizone) on "Jake Broe"
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14:52 Russia has had tens of millions of opportunities to "make" the peace that would exist by default anyways, starting with not attacking anyone, for example, or not despoiling anyone, or not imposing acts of war on others completely unilaterally when everyone expected to trade with manners and live normally.
Every second that goes by without apologizing for the attacks and not stopping deadly operations on foreign territories or not trying to de-occupied illegally occupied territories is another missed opportunity for Russia to start making peace , without having to "negotiate" anything!
It's not on real victims to "negotiate" the right to stop being victims, duh.
It's not even a question of trust or conditions to be negotiated for some kind of peace in the future, it's not about "making" up peace out of nothing like if it was something new, no: peace already exist; peace is already here, in the present, hardly surviving under Russia's boots.
If Russia genuinely wanted peace today, it would not be making extreme special efforts to trample and destroy it at this very moment, paying to make sure more people die, paying to make sure more people are injured or upset, paying to make sure more are forced to live under rules they don't want.
Starting to "make" peace would be as simple as stoping working on its systematic destruction, as simple as doing… nothing ! for a change.
You don't have negotiate "nothing" to do it, right ?
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12:30 Don't be amazed by the reaction of the Poles. Take a look at their history. They learned better than many what it is like to be invaded, occupied, politically deprived of existence, erased from the maps, massively killed or deported by strangers, forced by strangers to remain poor when they knew how to get rich, to suffer several kinds of foreign cruel dictatorships for more than a generation and still remain Polish. They can understand Ukrainian so well. Plus, russian medias explicitely say they are next if Ukraine falls. The campaign against Ukraine is outright presented as a preliminary step against them! So of course they take it personnally and consider this war is their, too!
What would you do, personally, in order to survive ? Don't be amazed: you'd do the same.
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1:25 This is not what I heard from the experts The opinion was that the Ukrainians would fight bravely, but would be defeated in many places by the supposedly more organized and much better equipped Russian war machine. I think that the experts believed :
- that the Russian military equipment was ready and improved according to the official announcements and propaganda.
- that all Russian troops would be well trained and equipped, not only the elite troops.
- that all forces participating in this Russian operation would be given clear objectives and doctrines, that they would know what they are doing in Ukraine, would not be surprised, and that they would have high morale.
I suppose these experts believed this because their training prevents them from imagining preparing and launching a military operation otherwise. According to them, if Russia attacked, it necessarily implied that it was actually ready to attack, seriously.
The surprise that Russia was not really ready for the operation it was conducting was immense; a real shock. It seemed too nut to be true.
The experts probably also underestimated the expertise and training of the best Ukrainian troops. But not their morale.
In any case the intense resistance efforts of the Ukrainians were expected, even in case of loss of the central command, as their interest in anti-vehicle defensive weapons was noticed the year before. The kind of weapons that do not allow to assault enemy positions at all, but are perfect for ambushes against invaders. So they had already perceived the danger and were already mentally prepared to resist if necessary.
And it is quite consistent with their political choices of the previous years.
It was quite obvious that, for them, the invasion started in 2014 and they were already opposed to it.
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15:00 These debates are lunar. One really have to be out of his mind to go looking for such irrelevant arguments.
There is no point in debating the past existence of Ukraine in the current situation. Even if we could manage, by feats of intellectual contortion, to prove that everything Ukrainian is Russian, it remains undeniable that today millions of people, the vast majority of the inhabitants of a large country, want today Ukraine to exist today and to be independent from Russia *today*, and this is in no way a threat for the Russians. If in doubt, instead of bringing clowns on a TV set, just ask them.
Even assuming that every Ukrainian is Russian, the vast majority of them still do not want to be part of Russia and want to have their own state. Well, that is their right !
The right to political self-determination is a human right, and the tendency of human beings to fight for their human rights is ignored only by the worst fools.
And even if the will and the rights of the people who call themselves Ukrainians were to be debated, one would have to be seriously mentally ill to imagine that they would suddenly want to call themselves Russian by being harmed by those who call themselves Russian.
This whole circus is therefore vain from a philosophical, cognitive and even operational point of view.
Soon, these serious nutjobs will have to explain how it is possible for something that doesn't exist to defend itself, and why it is so important to fight at the risk of one's life for the destruction of what doesn't exist.
Ask the doctors: this is the manifestation of a serious psychiatric disorder.
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12:00 @JakeBroe, Let me translate french for you
卢沙野, ambassador of China in France, talking on LCI TV:
"These countries, ex-Soviet Union, they do not have... they do not have hum… how to say… an effective status in international law."
French television reports the following reactions:
- The French Ministry of Foreign Affairs publish:
"We have learned with dismay about the words of the Chinese ambassador in France concerning the borders of the countries that became independent after the fall of the Soviet Union."
- Edgars Rinkēvičs, Minister of Foreign Affairs of Latvia, says:
"The remarks of the Chinese ambassador in France concerning international law and the sovereignty of nations are totally unacceptable. We expect explanations from the Chinese side and a complete retraction of this statement."
- Gabrielius Landsbergis, Minister of Foreign Affairs of Lithuania:
"If anyone is still wondering why the Baltic States do not trust China to negotiate peace in Ukraine, here is a Chinese ambassador saying that Crimea is Russian and that the borders of our countries have no legal basis."
- French Ministry of Foreign Affairs declare solidarity with the ex-USSR countries and remind that the annexion of Crimea by Russia in 2014 is illegal with regard to international law.
- Several people and associations are asking 卢沙野 to retract his statement.
My personal point of view:
Clearly, 卢沙野 was not comfortable with the pronunciation of this sentence. However, it is not clear whether he was concerned with the predictable reactions or was struggling with french vocabulary.
Listening to this sentence alone, one can think that he meant that the rights of these countries are not fully enforced at the moment (and this is true since Russia does not respect them), without any clue about intentions regarding these rights (whether they should be respected or not according to China). In context, however, various statements by diplomats, as well as murders on foreign soil and in international waters and effective annexations of foreign territory (undeclared acts of war), make it very clear that China has no regard for international rights or human rights except when they can benefit its government or reputation.
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Note 1:
I'm not just talking about cleaning (for hygiene reasons) and tidying (for logistical efficiency reasons), which one would imagine are neglected in cases of discouragement, deep fatigue, intense stress, lack of resources, lack of training, lack of preparation, or lack of supervision. I'm also talking about the design choices, the "decorative arts" and the degradation that we see in some occupied homes and buildings. The filthy inscriptions on the doors or walls, the excrement in surprising places, the open bottles of alcohol, the broken furniture, etc...
It seems to me that this is not just negligence or failing, but the expression of a self-destructive tendency. Not having the courage to clean up, or the loss of faith in the strict rules whose reasons have remained obscure, or the reality of war, so be it! I definitely understand it can happen.
What I don't understand is what seems to me to be an extra effort to break or mess up places unnecessarily. Especially if "we're here forever".
I myself am extremely messy and careless, so tolerate clutter, but I'm not trying to intoxicate myself or make my surroundings uglier and less convenient. That would finish me even without enemies.
Note 2:
Thanks to anyone adding more original point of views. It's nice to have veterans' point of view, as I have absolutely no experience of this. Historical points are also very valuable. But don't be ashamed to give civilian and novice points of view too, especially from many diverses places in the world, because I find the lores and common beliefs around that as interesting as the historical facts. It helps me understand better what people stand for or hide from.
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9:00 According to oral testimonies recorded in Ukraine, this is not only said on Russian television. Some Ukrainians were held captive and tortured to make them confess where "the Americans" were. Of course, they had no idea. Living in a small village, they had never seen any of them, not even a tourist or a passing journalist. It was almost impossible for their torturers to believe them: they had been sent here specifically to neutralize American agents and armed troops in significant numbers.
Similarly, on an intercepted phone call, most of the Russian soldiers seem to understand that they are fighting Ukrainians, but some of the gunners still believe that they are fighting NATO. They can't believe that the "khokhol" (as they say) can be so effective in combat and able to use high-tech weapons on their own, believing them to be subhuman morons who do not deserve respect. They don't seem to realize that Ukraine is in fact a very competent nation in many fields, and believe them only capable of traditional agriculture of the last century, songs, dances and fierce acts. Obviously, they have only ever traveled in clichés fabricated to flatter their egos by contrast, so much so that they can't even respect them as enemies. I guess they do not even take seriously the role of Ukrainians in "their" great patriotic war.
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