Comments by "Marc Joly" (@emjizone) on "Jake Broe"
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@georgiy7882 Actually, most Europeans care about Ukraine not only because Russia is killing people there at a rate never seen since WWII, but because they see Russia taking the infamous authoritarian path. They've seen this kind of scheme in their history books (Alexander, Julius, Attila, Carolus, Genkis, Napoleon, Hitler, Staline, etc.), and already know how it goes and how it ends.
- Transnistria: they barely gave a shit.
- Chechnya: they woke up in horror but though it was an isolated event.
- Georgia: they turned extremely suspicious and decided to enter prevention mode.
- Ukraine: they decided this was the last chance for Putin to prove suspicions wrong, to prove that he genuinely cared about people more than himself. Now that no doubt remains as to the nature of the character, the socio-economic machine to rid Europe of the last dictator is on. It is heating up, slowly but surely. More than 450 million people are contributing to it, in their own way.
Europeans are also concerned because the Russian government supports ideologues who explicitly state that their countries are the next enemies to attack after Ukraine. It is not as if they can ignore an explicit threat. Don't be surprise people care when their names are called.
You are right about something that hasn't changed for millennia: Europeans don't believe it until they have no choice. They don't do much prevention.
European didn't gave a shit about Austria, barely cared about the Czech Republic (despite the admitted feeling of having made a mistake), and needed the invasion of Poland to wake up, very late. And even then, they waited to see if it was magically over. It wasn't, of course.
But they are learning. Their response time to attempts at imperial domination is getting shorter and shorter. They are already much quicker to react than before the Roman Empire.
Where you are totally wrong is about European being ok with crimes done by US government. Maybe you weren't in Europe when G.W.Bush was considered the man to kill, to see it.
The limitation of his mandate in time and the separation of powers in the USA saved the relationship between the USA and Europe. Otherwise, if he had become a permanent dictator in the USA, and if he had started to conquer lands, it is sure that Europe would be at war, at least cold or economic, with the USA, if not worse (hot war, nuclear war, etc). He knew how to make himself hated, but was limited by US citizen. This is the advantage of democratic regimes: it doesn't eliminate the evil at all, but it limits it.
A difference between Ukraine and several countries where the USA went to kill people and commit crimes (not as many kills per year as Russia in Ukraine nowadays, but still. It's not a competition anyway), is that Ukrainians don't spit on the face of European tourists, investors, good dealers or weapon dealers, and they send more students in European universities too.
I know it's never easy to be friend with everybody, but that's were diplomatic relations and cultural exchanges counts.
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18:08 And it's not new at all! It's been like this for centuries.
Throughout the history of Eurasia, whether in Europe, Asia, and even in the Middle East, for as long as Moscow has existed and exerted some influence in other surrounding countries, regardless of political regime, every time that Moscow's central power has decided to use force and violence rather than hope to coerce a neighboring province or country — every • single • time , without exception, no joke — there has been an immediate political reaction in some other reputedly "neutral" or "friendly" pro-russian or pro-USSR states against this central power, whether in the form of revolts, suspension of diplomatic relations, delayed cooperation, betrayals, political distancing, termination of agreements, secret agreements with enemies of Moscow, preference for trade with other nations, etc...
For centuries, coercion has always ended badly, has always led to disappointment and resentment, and has ultimately reduced Russia's influence in the world.
It has always been the one and only serious reason for people to distrust or hate Russia, economic interests notwithstanding.
For centuries.
For generation and generations of people studying this phenomena and writing about it in diverse scientific and artistic domains.
And yet, some ultra-nutcases somehow still haven't learned their lesson.
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