Comments by "diehardcat" (@diehardcat) on "Asianometry"
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@mottscottison6943 You probably get your those two-bit BS from the Chinese propaganda machine. There were no skirmishes between Vietnam and Laos. Laos was on Vietnam's side in the fight against the murderous Khmer Rouge regime. As for Cambodia, the Khmer Rouge which was backed and encouraged by China, attacked Vietnam FIRST across the border and massacred Viet villagers there right after it took over Cambodia in Arpril 1975. For the next 3 years, all requests for talk from Vietnam had always been turned down by it. Hunsen, the Cambodian prime minister now and was a low level cadre of the Khmer Rouge at the time, fled to Vietnam in 1977 after he witnessed its barbarism against its own people, the Chinese and Vietnamese there, and asked for help. There's no other way around, Vietnam had to mount an offensive to depose the Khmer Rouge and stop the genocide in December 1978.
The Khmer Rouge was deposed quickly but its remnants fled to the Thal-Cambodian border and hid there. Vietnam followed suit and tried to get them there but the US ordered Thailand to give them refuge inside its border. The US and China at that time were in bed against the Soviet Union. The US just recognized the Chinese mainland government as the sole government of China, severed diplomatic tie with Taiwan as a country and recognized 'one China policy' of China in January 1979, so they were very close. The US, still very much butt0hurt from its loss in the Vietnam War, found a chance to get back at Vietnam; China, also very butt0hurt because Vietnam didn't want to become its vassal state, decided to gang up against Vietnam to relieve their petty pain.
That's why the US ordered its dog, Thailand, to house the Khmer Rouge. Diplomatically, China, the US and another US' dog, Singapore, had supported the seat of the Khmer Rouge at the UN for the next 10 years. Militarily, The US and China funded, fed, and armed the Khmer Rouge forces to continue to fight from Thailand. The UK's SAS provided training. Singapore acted as the middle man to transfer the weapons and money to them to hide its master's dirty deeds from the world.
Without completely destroying Khmer Rouge forces, Vietnam forces couldn't go home because they might come back and every previous efforts and loss of lives would be wasted, so Vietnam had to cross the Thai-Cambodian border to wipe them out. So that's the reason Vietnam crossed that border.
On its part, China tried to stab Vietnam in the back at its border with Vietnam in hope to scare Vietnam to pull out of Cambodia. It also tried to impress the US, its new evil friend with an evil act, and to prove that it's really on the US side against the USSR and Vietnam.
Not only China failed to scare Vietnam, it also got 20,000 dead in just THREE WEEKS for attacking Vietnam. For comparison, the US lost 55,000 in its entire involvement in the Vietnam War which lasted 13 years! Not only China failed to 'teach' Vietnam a lesson, it also re-learn the same old lesson that it can't scare Vietnam and would pay a very heavy price if it tries to 'teach' Vietnam!
So learn about what really happened. China-US was the sadistic evil force here. To have a chance to satisfy their petty grudges against Vietnam, they didn't give a f about the millions Cambodians died under the hand of the Khmer Rouge. Heck China didn't even give a f about the Chinese-Cambodians murdered by it and the 20,000 Chinese dead troops at the Viet border too! LOL!
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@jetli740 And here are the reasons Vietnam's not buying. Vietnam always has very clear and good reasons, unlike China:
1. You must agree with me that the vast majority of Chinese hate Vietnam to the bone for no apparent reason right? So how can Viets entrust their lives to China?!
2. Because of that, even if the government chooses to buy, there's no guarantee the people are gonna take it, so the money's gonna be wasted. Are you ready to buy something knowing for sure that you're gonna throw them away the next day?!
3. If Vietnam buys Chinese vaccine, based on history, China will claim credit for 'saving Vietnam', 'without China, all Viets would have been wiped off the face of the earth', 'there's no Vietnam without Chinese vaccine', 'Vietnam must give China some territories as gratitude otherwise it is stabbing China in the back', blah, blah, blah...
So if you were Vietnam, would you buy Chinese vaccine?! LOL!
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This is just mindlessly repeating stupid cheap ass Cold War propaganda. First, there was a system that had actually caused 2 million deaths from hunger in Vietnam, not just near death, and it was colonialism which is capitalism, not communism. The communists were the ones who saved the population from that famine caused by capitalism in 1945! Second, the Vietnamese communists party has been running Vietnam but that doesn't mean Vietnam has ever been living under communism. Those are two different things that doesn't necessarily/automatically go hand in hand. Even the Soviet Union in all of its 70 years plus of existence had ever claimed that it had reached and lived under communism! There's totally no private ownership of means of production under communism, but the land reform program in the 1950s in Vietnam had actually increased private ownership because it redistributed lands from a few local landlords, the French colonists, and the Catholic church who had been robbing the people blind for decades, to the mass! That's how the communists could get support from the vast majority of Vietnamese literately overnight to win against superpowers! The hardship after the Vietnam War was caused primarily by the coward total blockade, economic sanctions from the west. In another word, it was also caused by capitalism! Vietnam also was forced into two wars to defend herself against the Khmer Rouge and China backed by the US for a decade. She had to feed the Cambodian population after the disposal of the Pol Pot regime because the west also imposed sanction against Cambodia too for being liberated by Vietnam! Despite all that, there were NO deaths by hunger in Vietnam or Cambodia in that period. So if anything it could only proved the communists were actually really good at running the country! There are mass hunger and millions of homeless people right now in the US despite the fact that it's the 'richest country in the world' that has never faced any hardship whatsoever! So there is something really sick about capitalism that you need to talk about right there!
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@mottscottison6943 Vietnam didn't need the USSR's support to beat the Khmer Rouge. Cambodia isn't the US you |d]ot! Vietnam forces exterminated the Khmer Rouge's forces inside Cambodia in two weeks. They had stayed there for 10 years because China and the US had supported Pol Pot's seat in the UN for most of that time. If Vietnam left right away, China and the US would back Pol Pot to come back so everything would be wasted. I've said so in the previous post you br|ch head. The USSR dissolved in 1991, Vietnam had the withdrawal plan inplace in 1985, executed it immediately and finished the whole thing in 1989 when she was sure the new Cambodian government had become strong enough to stay in power and subdue the Khmer Rouge, so that was all done two years before the collapse of the USSR. No, the stupid Khmer Rouge was wrong the whole time, and you don't know $h1t! No, that's not a real cause. China didn't even care about 300,000 Chinese in Cambodia slaughtered by the genocidal Pol Pot's regime, or 20,000 young men it burnt at the border so why would it care about a few thousands Hmongs?! You have any brain in your skull?
Vietnam didn't attack anybody for the USSR; China attacked Vietnam for the US, so China is a dog, not Vietnam.
What did Vietnam do today that makes you say Vietnam is a US' dog? You're bar kin' nonsense like a dog here.
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